The Dark Knight Rises Which villians are MOST LIKELY to appear?

[The Batkilt]

Personally I'm not totally convinced that The Penguin and Catwoman are unlikely to appear. I know Goyer keeps insisting that Chris Nolan wants to tackle rogues not already seen in fims, but the reason The Penguin and Catwoman were picked previously is because they're two of the most recognisible. The Burton/Schumacher films quickly used up the most recognisable rogues and dispensed of them by the end of Batman Forever. It's the handling of the characters that's the issue.

If the plan was to have The Joker appear for a third - which it apparently was - then the rumours that Nolan is done are possibly true. It's also possible that it means it's back to the drawing board to salvage how to get his Batman story to the conclusion. Which increases the possibilities of The Penguin or Catwoman appearing. (It also increases the possibility that an A-list actor may appear but that's for another thread!)

With that said, I think there's a strong chance that The Penguin and/or The Black Mask will show up. The Black Mask was apparently considered for a part in The Dark Knight but dropped as it would be too minor. He fits in both with the mob aspect of the previous two films - which is important as they're not likely to ditch the neo-crime drama feel for any third installment - and he also fits in with the 'rise of the freaks'. That and the character has links to Bruce's past. The Penguin can also fit in instead of The Black Mask in terms of criminal and freak, or work with him. And if The Black Mask were to appear it, in my opinion, makes Catwoman's appearance more likely.

As for The Riddler? I'm not entirely convinced that Nolan and the cast aren't throwing things out there to play with the minds of us fans to increase anticipation and discussion for these films. (The same goes for the 'no Robin/Dick Grayson' remarks. I wouldn't be surprised if Dick Grayson appeared without being Robin.) If The Riddler does appear then the idea that a few people on this board have suggested in regards to him being a detective/federal agent make sense, more so than him being a criminal.

The only other rogue I think would easily fit in with these films so far is Deadshot, but I'd see him more as a supporting villain. Same with The Penguin.

 

[Laderlappen]

Honestly I can be without Penguin. I would prefer to not have the penguin in the movie. I much rather see Catwoman & Black Mask. The only not used character I really want to see in the 3rd.

 

[dlvillarreal]

I can be without Penguin and Catwoman. Riddler would be nice.

 

[CFE]

Black Mask
Riddler
Catwoman
Penguin
Deadshot

Those seem to be thrown around an awful lot, so I'd be taking a closer look at those.

And while I feel they won't recast Joker out of respect for Heath, part of me does feel that, should Joker remain essential to the storyline, they should just move forward and do what they need to do in order to keep him involved as an active character.

Now I'm in no way comparing Heath to Katie Holmes...not at all.

But when Katie dropped out, Maggie came in and did the job and it worked well. The story needed Rachel and they did what they needed to (i.e. recasting).

Perhaps they should at least consider it.

Though I'd prefer they rework the story and do what's necessary to not need Joker.

But again, the Joker is the end all, be all adversary for Batman. If they can't top the character, maybe they shouldn't try to...

It's damn tricky at this point, to me anyway.

CFE

 

[thewhyteman]

I have no doubt that studio insiders are watching fan boy conversations closely as to what they want for the third installment. In which case the studio is going to be suggesting The Riddler, Penguin, and Catwoman to Nolan.

Personally, IMO, Catwoman is lame but suitable. The Riddler, Penguin, The black Mask, Harley Quinn are well suited for Nolan's Universe as well.
Killer Croc, Clay-face, could be redesigned to work. Croc as a large thug and clay face as an actor.

Unlikely villains would be Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Baine and Man-Bat. Although they are fun characters, they are just not practical enough to work.

And the following villians are just not strong or creative enough characters to succeed the Joker and Two Face.

Archer
Bookworm
Calendar Man
Clock King
Egghead
False Face
Firefly
Hugo Strange
Hush
King Snake
King Tut
Lady Shiva
Lock Up
Mad Hatter
Red Hood
Rupert Thorne
Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Ventriloquist

 

[OwlBoy]

Nolan keeps saying someone we've not see yet and someone that could work in the world he's made so maybe someone along the lines of Firefly or Deadshot

 

[Mastodon123]

Catwoman wouldn't fit into Nolan's series. You couldn't just throw her into the film like they did with the Joker in TDK. People are going to wonder why is this ***** dressed like a cat? It seems with Nolan's series that the villians don't have an origin, excluding Two-Face whose more like a vigilante. Also having a woman dressed as a cat and a man dressed as a bat is pushing the realism in Nolan's series.

 

[CFE]

As a bit player...Amygdala?

Just throwing names around.

CFE

 

[itsthebatman]

As a bit player...Amygdala?

Just throwing names around.

CFE

Throw it back! Yikes, I wouldn't want to see him.

 

[strikezone89]

i would love to see black mask

 

[TLGunfighter]

See, unlike the Catwoman, I could actually justify the Riddler in Nolan's interpretation, after the Dark Knight, Batman became a criminal, and not just any criminal but a cop killer, remember he took the fall for Harvey. So people will obviously be gunning for him, which is why I thought it weird with all the speculation over Harvey why there hasn't been more talk over Reese or even Gordon [Perhaps even Ramirez, as she did survive her encounter with Two-Face she's now one of the few who know the true fate of Harvey Dent, I'm wondering what will happen to her as well?], because now that Batmans a criminal isn't Gotham going to start questioning those who possibly know the identity of Batman? Dark Knight established that Batman is unstoppable, as Batman he has no limits. But as Bruce Wayne he could be touched. Riddler is incredibly intelligent and one of the only villains to ever uncover Batman's secret identity. Coupled with his penchant for riddles and games he could wreak havoc on Bruce Wayne's life, even possibly threaten Bruce's seemingly limitless resources as he could leave clues all over Gotham to Batman's identity. The Riddler would actually serve a purpose and is plausible where as I can't come up with a similar scenario for the Catwoman.

 

[Majik1387]

Likely
Riddler
Scarecrow
Catwoman
Black Mask
Talia
League of Assasins
Rupert Thorne

Possible
Joker (recast)
Harley Quinn
Deadshot
Killer Croc
Ra's Al Ghul
Penguin
Poison Ivy
Anarky
Firefly
Mad Hatter
Ventriloquist w. Scarface
Hugo Strange
Mr. Freeze

Not Likely/Possible
Two-Face
Bane
Hush
Red Hood
Clayface (all of them)
Manbat
Killer Moth





But none of them come close to the genius of







CRAZY QUILT!!!!!!

 

[Changeling]

Likely: Riddler, Catwoman, Black Mask, Scarecrow
Who I want: Riddler, Mad Hatter, and Catwoman
Unlikely: Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Bane

 

[thundercatsho]

Likely: Riddler, Catwoman, Black Mask, Scarecrow
Who I want: Riddler, Mad Hatter, and Catwoman
Unlikely: Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Bane

Mad Hatter would be a good choice, but that might make the film rated R, since it would have pedophillic undertones.

 

[Deadshot59]

I'd say Deadshot, but I'm biased


I think it's a possibility...


I don't get the "It HAS to be Riddler" talk...I mean, it would make sense, but it doesn't HAVE to be Riddler...

 

[TLGunfighter]

P-town eh? I live right up the hill from Pomona in Diamond Bar.

When I saw your user name I already had a hunch you'd put in Deadshot.

 

[Changeling]

Yeah, I think Mad Hatter would make for a killer villain, but I don't see it happening due to those darn undertones

 

[thundercatsho]

Yeah, I think Mad Hatter would make for a killer villain, but I don't see it happening due to those darn undertones

Yeah, he could even be more interesting than the Joker and Riddler... but unfortunately, the guy's a filthy perv.

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

While I am not saying I know everything thats going to happen, what I think is a very good choice and a likely one at the same time is the combination of Catwoman, Black Mask and The Riddler.

I almost guarantee we will see 3 new characters with at least one of them being one of these 3 and also a woman. (Talia is good possibility as well)

This might sound like introducing a lot of character for one movie, but if you think both Batman movies have had 7 major characters in them.

The dynamics between these 3 characters seem to work well in my opinion (They can challenge 3 different areas of Batman together, brains, body and heart) and I've already thought of at least a half a dozen different plot outlines that cover themes that need to be covered, draw from various comic story arcs and continue on from the previous two movies well. You could especially fit these 3 characters together well if you cut out some of time that was used on the mob bosses and things.

Batman Begins
Bruce Wayne/Batman
Rachel Dawes
Alfred Pennyworth
Lucius Fox
Jim Gordon
Dr. Crane/Scarecrow
Henri Ducard/Rhas al Ghul

The Dark Knight
Bruce Wayne/Batman
Rachel Dawes
Alfred Pennyworth
Lucius Fox
Jim Gordon
The Joker
Harvey Dent/Two-Face

BB3
Bruce Wayne/Batman
Selina Kyle/Catwoman
Alfred Pennyworth
Lucius Fox
Jim Gordon
Roman Sionis/The Black Mask
Ed Nashton/The Riddler

 

[thundercatsho]

While I am not saying I know everything thats going to happen, what I think is a very good choice and a likely one at the same time is the combination of Catwoman, Black Mask and The Riddler.

I almost guarantee we will see 3 new characters with at least one of them being one of these 3 and also a woman. (Talia is good possibility as well)

This might sound like introducing a lot of character for one movie, but if you think both Batman movies have had 7 major characters in them.

The dynamics between these 3 characters seem to work well in my opinion (They can challenge 3 different areas of Batman together, brains, body and heart) and I've already thought of at least a half a dozen different plot outlines that cover themes that need to be covered, draw from various comic story arcs and continue on from the previous two movies well. You could especially fit these 3 characters together well if you cut out some of time that was used on the mob bosses and things.

Batman Begins
Bruce Wayne/Batman
Rachel Dawes
Alfred Pennyworth
Lucius Fox
Jim Gordon
Dr. Crane/Scarecrow
Henri Ducard/Rhas al Ghul

The Dark Knight
Bruce Wayne/Batman
Rachel Dawes
Alfred Pennyworth
Lucius Fox
Jim Gordon
The Joker
Harvey Dent/Two-Face

BB3
Bruce Wayne/Batman
Selina Kyle/Catwoman
Alfred Pennyworth
Lucius Fox
Jim Gordon
Roman Sionis/The Black Mask
Ed Nashton/The Riddler

I think Holly from Year One would be a good addition, to humanize Selina more. Just saying...

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

I'm all for Anarky...it would make perfect sense considering the young Anarky idolized The Joker. Now that Joker is away...Anarky can come on the scene.

 

[Victarion]

I'm all for Anarky...it would make perfect sense considering the young Anarky idolized The Joker. Now that Joker is away...Anarky can come on the scene.

I wikpedia'd the character and he sounds like a villain that could serve as a way for Batman to gain redemption in the eyes of the GPD and the public. His ideals sound kind of like Batman's own, except that he's willing to "break the one rule." Conversley they could have him play the freaks against the mob then plan to take out the survivors.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

Yes Wooden Alligator! That's exactly what I thought. t:

 

[American_Hobo]

maybe Mad Hatter will appear.

 

[thewhyteman]

maybe Mad Hatter will appear.

There is no way Nolan is going to put an Alice in wonderland character in his franchise.