Which was worse?

[Spidergurl4302]

in the movie he was still portrayed as a nerd and really good at scenice (which is all the webshooters did when it comes to his character) and whoever puts this much scientific thought into where the webbing would come out, how does he shoot it, etc. is wasting thier time i mean its just a movie and spider-man is a fictional character i mean then you could say how are the webshooters not seen through his costume, how does peter afford them and have time to make them, how does one tube hold gallons of web, ect.

i get why some people wanted webshooters but i dont think it toke A LOT from the movie....

 

[blind_fury]

Perhaps. But remember that Peter in the movies was a pretty big brain on the science front, if those beginning scenes in both movies are any indication. Token scenes, perhaps, and there should have been more of them (particularly after he lost his powers), but they're there.
And villians who create themselves, at least the big ones you mentioned, didn't set out to be villians, if you notice. They were created in an accident--like Spider-Man. (Well, most of them. Now that JMS has ass-raped continuity, GG apparently's been evil from the start.)
True, synthetic webshooters would have been nice to see--even I won't contend that. But, as I said before, though I know it's not true to the comics (unless you count Spidey 2099), I simply prefer the organics. They just make more sense to me.
Thank you, though, for responding in an insightful and polite manner. Nice to see not everyone who uses the internet is an ass.

The reason Peter Parker being so smart has been so interesting is how he finds ways to fight crime using his scientific prowess. He is always outsmarting his enemies using science. This has always made Parker a major force to be reckoned with. Who cares if Parker is smart enough to play classical music on the piano. Nobody cares unless he applies his smarts to crime fighting. This is an important dimension to the character thats missing in the movies. Webbing technology fills that void. Making Peter Parker a prodigy and a superhero, the way he was meant to be.

 

[Irony-Man]

Re-watching both Spider-Man 1 and 2, I've come to appreciate the organics even more. I always thought organics made sense for Spidey and when watching the web-swinging in 2 found that the organics contributed to Spidey's style and movements across the city. I also found that overall Spidey uses his webbing in an incredibly cohesive and co-ordinated manner (swinging, fighting, rescuing pizza) that fits in more with them being a part of his body's natural abililties than if they were a manufactured tool.

 

[Kurt Wagner]

Organics never ever made sense and was only made to dumbify the character for the general public who were not spider-man fans. Peter PArker's mind is the very thing that completed spider-man's origina and spider-man's most useful weapon. It was his brain that helped him invent the web fluid... and it's his brain that helps him get out of situations when his web fluid runs out. THe spider bite only gave him strength, wall crawling, spider sense, and agility.... but his brain did the rest which is his real power.

 

[Silver Sable]

None.Both were great

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Which was worse- Organic webbing OR Green Goblin Costume?

I think I'd choose the green goblin costume because it look like crap and made no sense at all. If it was suppose to be a military outfit, then why the hell was it designed like an alien costume? The fact that there was no USA military logos on the suit anywhere made it look even less like a military suit. Plus the suit was one piece, which would make it difficult for a soldier to get in and out of teh suit without assistance.

When I finally saw the pic of GG back in 2002 for the first time after an ungodly wait full of anticipation, I was very disappointed.
It took me watching this SM1 movie on DVD with my daughter a couple of times to get into it finally in spite of: the organic web, the mentioning of Betty Brant with no hope of her being any more than an extra, the soundtrack that couldn't hold a candle to Batman89's soundtrack (yet both are from Danny Elfman), and the fact that really, alot of the scenes seemed to resemble many of the same scenes that the dissapointing Batman Forever movie had. I expected much more out of Willem Dafoe and his voice he did wasn't what I was expecting. The GG outfit was supposed to be "updated" out of a supposedly brownie look so they say, and into a sleek look, yet, when I watched all the designs they had in mind for him, the ones they show in the disk 2 features, I kept screaming within myself "WHY NOT THESE ONES!" Those ones were far superior, plus they not only were more true to the original brain child of Stan and Jack, they actually could've captured the true essence of Stan and Jack's brainchild. The outfit was just a very very bad decision. I don't really have the culprit of that crime pinpointed yet, so if someone can fill me in on this one besides the obvious Avi, I'd be plenty appreciative. Thank you.

 

[dos_acoustic]

When I finally saw the pic of GG back in 2002 for the first time after an ungodly wait full of anticipation, I was very disappointed.
It took me watching this SM1 movie on DVD with my daughter a couple of times to get into it finally in spite of: the organic web, the mentioning of Betty Brant with no hope of her being any more than an extra, the soundtrack that couldn't hold a candle to Batman89's soundtrack (yet both are from Danny Elfman), and the fact that really, alot of the scenes seemed to resemble many of the same scenes that the dissapointing Batman Forever movie had. I expected much more out of Willem Dafoe and his voice he did wasn't what I was expecting. The GG outfit was supposed to be "updated" out of a supposedly brownie look so they say, and into a sleek look, yet, when I watched all the designs they had in mind for him, the ones they show in the disk 2 features, I kept screaming within myself "WHY NOT THESE ONES!" Those ones were far superior, plus they not only were more true to the original brain child of Stan and Jack, they actually could've captured the true essence of Stan and Jack's brainchild. The outfit was just a very very bad decision. I don't really have the culprit of that crime pinpointed yet, so if someone can fill me in on this one besides the obvious Avi, I'd be plenty appreciative. Thank you.

Yeah i remember one design from the extras that had the armor-ish look but also had the purple...it would have been perfect

 

[Lethal Venom]

 

[The Joker]

Wow what an insightful post

 

[dos_acoustic]

I agree with Ock...you have changed my whole way of thinking..I will now see the world in a whole different light..and for this i thank you...lethal venom

 

[Lethal Venom]

lol sorry guys I was jst happy cause I got Amazing Spider-Man #50

 

[Lethal Venom]

It came free with the deluxe edition of Spider-man 2

 

[Electro UK]

Id say organic webbing, I thought Goblins costume was kinda cool

 

[The Lizard]

Seeing how this March is Herr Logan's one-year anniversary (as "Herr Logan" that is- don't know about other aliases ), I thought I'd bump what must have been one of his first posts here--

{March 8, 2004}
Using organic web-shooters was a horrible mistake, and I know why they did it. James Cameron wrote a disgusting, heathen scriptment for Spider-Man that featured organic mutations instead of scientific prowess. Thankfully, they didn't let Cameron direct the movie, but they had his stuff on file. They intended to use mechanical web-shooters, but the props were giving them trouble. They figured "hey, we have Cameron's monstrous idea, and it would save on props, time, and it looks smoother." Lazy bastards. That's all it is, laziness. They had a way out, and they took it. I condemned them to the deepest pits of hell for that decision, but when the movie out, I didn't mind it as much as I thought I would. Cameron's scriptment put a lot of emphasis on the "man-spider" metamorpohisis, and Sam Raimi's movie did not. They didn't swell on it or make it overtly disgusting, so it went down easy and didn't make me vomit. Next to the bigger mistakes they made in the movie, their glossed-over webshooter bastardization looked like nothing.

The Green Goblin suit has a different problem for me. Instead of being badly conceived, but better in appearance on screen, it's the opposite. I like the idea of the suit and glider being a military contract for Osborn. However, their is no excuse for that costume. Why does it look like an alien costume, you ask? Because Sam Raimi is a punk in many ways, and one of those ways is recycling actors (including his brother), material, and designs. He directed "M.A.N.T.I.S." Don't remember it? Don't feel bad. Point is, it's a similar costume, designed very insect-like. I would much, much rather see the Goblin in scaly, rubbery, non-segmented armor with a purple tunic over it than the Power Ranger special we got treated to in 2002. An insane villain like the Goblin needs a face that has expression. They should have used prosthetics.
Don't go dissing the man-purse. It's classic, it's true to source material, it's functional, and it goes with his stocking cap, purple jogging suit and pointy shoes. Gobby's got his own fashion goin' on.

The shape of things to come....up:

 

[Sam Fisher]

They must have gotten Goblin's coustume from a Halloween store or something

 

[CConn]

I never minded the webbing change at all; I can sorta see how it could help the story without...

Goblin's Costume...though it never bothered me to a major extent.

...no, I'm not a purist.

 

[neobido9999]

the goblin outfit was poor, mainly because of the EXTREMELY BIG MASK.

organic webbing was totally fine by me

 

[muhammady]

If you ask me liked both of them but they could have just gave the Goblin his original costume.The organic webbing doesn't bother me because how is he supposed to fight with no webs.Webshooters are ok but organic webbing is better.The thing about Goblin's costume is that it doesn't resemble the classic one at all although I kinda like it.

 

[Saph]

And how ridiculous would yellow spandex on screen?

About as ridiculous as Red and Blue spandex would.. oh wait, that looked good.

What people seem to be forgetting is that with the right materials and ideas, you can make a campy suit look cool and 'modern'. With Spider-Man's costume being the example.

As for the thread topic, Green Goblin is a lot worse than organics to me. I always wondered why Spidey couldn't make his own web anyway.

The Green Goblin suit was bad. It wasn't the concept that was horrendous, it was the mask. It looked like something off a cheap japanese TV show, or a Power Rangers villain. I one saw a Power Rangers bad guy with an armoured suit and static mask and I immediately thought.. Green Goblin. Not to mention the fact he sounded like a demonic Bugs Bunny.

 

[Zev]

Seeing how this March is Herr Logan's one-year anniversary (as "Herr Logan" that is- don't know about other aliases ), I thought I'd bump what must have been one of his first posts here--



The shape of things to come....up:

Hey, I remember M.A.N.T.I.S.! It was about that black dude in a wheelchair who could walk when he put on a suit of armor, right? Man, remember that episode where he fought the jellyfish woman? And he had a flying car, I think! Once he used it to travel forward in time or something. I don't know. THAT WAS AN AWESOME SHOW!




Sorry.

In all honesty, Herr should try *****ing out Smallville for a change. His deep bitterness would serve him well. Unleash the Dark Side of the Force upon Smallville, Herr, and you will achieve a power greater than any hatur!

 

[HillValley85]

Well, I like both of them, but the goblin costume did need a few polishes.

 

[spider-jide]

None.Both were great

Organic I can get over but the goblin costume was horrendous. The concept of its use was clever and bears meaning but the overall actual design was shoddy. It was not great.

 

[Kurt Wagner]

I think most people can get over organics because even if one doesn't agree with the change, at least in the end it makes sense in the film's version of spidey's character.

But the goblin costume made no sense at all to say that alien costume was a military flight suit. It would have made just as much sense using the original comic costume and having no justification for how that was made. Just curious, does anyone know if they explained the origin of the goblin costume in the comics?

 

[blind_fury]

To anyone who has fully processed the coolness of mechanical webshooters, organics are simply unacceptable.

 

[Zues4Life]

I liked Goblin's costume and I liked organic webbing too but I'd rather have wanted to see webshooters.We would have seen more scenes were he runs out of webbing like in Spider-Man 2 when Spidey was fighting Doc Ock in the bank.


If Harry is going to become the Hobgoblin in Spidey 3,they should keep the original costume.