White NAACP Leader Says She Identifies as Black

[MadVillainy]

But there's a difference between identifying with blacks and telling everyone you were physically born a black person.

And there is a difference between identifying with blacks and identifying as black.

She said she identified as black

 

[Alien Anal]

Overall my conclusion: If you feel she's done some crazy wrong doing, than your missing the bigger picture and aren't part of the solution that society needs too be more accepting of "race" in general in all different kinds of situations. Did she do everything right? No, but it's not enough too "rip her apart" like so many people are doing.

Yehp

 

[Lencho01]

Just googled her. She's perfect.

But isn't she British?

Can she do an American accent.

She sounded fine to me on Arrow.

 

[Lencho01]

I didn't realize Alex Kingston wasn't biracial until she did genealogy show who do you think you are?

I've never seen it. Do you think many people thought she was biracial?

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

1) The Howard University days might've been before she went full con artist..

you never EVER GO FULL "Con ARTIST!!"

Guess you've never seen a Lifetime biopic. Acting isnt a requirement....LOL

hahahaha yeah i am Open to alot of stuff but watching Lifetime isnt one of them! besides i like Oprah's channel anyway!

"People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and I can't do that as a white woman. But as a black woman ... as a black woman, I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting.

"The black people of earth need a sign! a beckon of hope that they can look up to!.. that is why i have sent them you Dole-Zal!...my only white daughter!" Hahaha!

damn! that chick's name even sounds Kryptonian!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And there is a difference between identifying with blacks and identifying as black.

She said she identified as black

It's possible she knew she was born white and that institutions/peers viewed her as white but she considered herself black personally.

Then she got to the point where she figured she could con those institutions and peers into accepting her as black.

If she just wanted to exploit affirmative action she would've tried to get into a quality white college posing as a black person. Instead she desperately wanted to get into Howard University for the black experience.

 

[Pink Ranger]

damn! that chick's name even sounds Kryptonian!

So she's actually pretending to be Jewish then?

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

So she's actually pretending to be Jewish then?

haha quite possibly! who knows what this chick has in her repertoire as the story continues to unfold... the Mission Impossible team could use someone like her!

 

[Duke]

haha quite possibly! who knows what this chick has in her repertoire as the story continues to unfold... the Mission Impossible team could use someone like her!

or MI6.

 

[Frodo]

Its seems to me if people are gonna throw around these terms Black and White they have to define what they mean by what it is to be Black and White. I use those terms as short hand myself, not as having concrete meaning. If you're gonna be upset about her pretending to be "Black" then it seems to me you have to define what "being Black " or "being White" is.

People usually don't do that, because when they try to it usually comes down to broad racial stereotypes, or they find that they really wouldn't be considered "Black " or "White" by other subjective standards.

 

[Erzengel]

i.e. complaining about internet speed, white people problems.

 

[Lencho01]

Based on what Dolezal has said, her definition of being Black in the US seems to be a stereotype.

 

[chamber-music]

I've never seen it. Do you think many people thought she was biracial?

She said in an interview with Guardian that lots of people thought she was Biracial.

One of her odder experiences on ER came about due to an interracial relationship Dr Corday had with fellow surgeon Peter Benton, played by Eriq La Salle. This relationship was so unusual on US TV that, apparently in order to make sense of it, many viewers simply assumed Kingston was black. Prior to moving to the US, she had been living in Peckham, London, where "you see interracial relationships all over the place. I kind of naively thought it would be even more liberal in America and it couldn't have been further from the truth. In fact, I'm trying to think if there's a television show right now where there's an African American and Caucasian relationship. They're few and far between."

 

[Frodo]

Based on what Dolezal has said, her definition of being Black in the US seems to be a stereotype.

And the problem is alot of people who are criticizing her who consider themselves "Black" or "White" seem to agree with her on what being "Black" or being "White" is. There seem to be alot of people angry and furious who are using terms and definitions which are subjective and based on stereotypes. Once you try to use biological or ethnic explanations for what 'black" and "white" is, things become even more problematic.

 

[Lencho01]

She said in an interview with Guardian that lots of people thought she was Biracial.

Very interesting. I've never watched ER and I would say she was White. Her being interracial wouldn't have even come up to me.

And the problem is alot of people who are criticizing her who consider themselves "Black" or "White" seem to agree with her on what being "Black" or being "White" is. There seem to be alot of people angry and furious who are using terms and definitions which are subjective and based on stereotypes. Once you try to use biological or ethnic explanations for what 'black" and "white" is, things become even more problematic.

Yeah, some are pushing the stereotype. Just look at #AskRachel. Even so, there are facets of that hashtag that really are part of the Black culture in the US, stereotypical or not. Same can be said of other cultures in this country.

All that aside, there are people who don't fit those stereotypes due to how they were raised, who they grew up around, their choice, etc. Even if she wasn't playing the stereotype, she still talked about an experience she could never claim by virtue of her race in this country.

 

[Destructus86]

And there is a difference between identifying with blacks and identifying as black.

She said she identified as black

Which...according to the logic of modern society is totally reasonable.

 

[Erzengel]

Melissa Harris-Perry: Are you black?

Rachel Dolezal: Yes, I am.

Melissa Harris-Perry (MSNBC): What does that mean?

Melissa Harris-Perry (MSNBC): *sigh* It means several things… it means that I’ve really gone there with that experience… as the mother of two black sons.

That explains everything.

I have a cats, ergo I'm a cat.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

She said in an interview with Guardian that lots of people thought she was Biracial.

Interracial relationships are more common and acceptable in the UK?

Is that a fact?

Makes you wonder how much American racism is ingrained in our culture.

 

[Apollo]

That explains everything.

I have a cats, ergo I'm a cat.

Come on! Join the furry movement! You can dress as a cat. #transspeciesmovement

 

[Frodo]

Yeah, some are pushing the stereotype. Just look at #AskRachel. Even so, there are facets of that hashtag that really are part of the Black culture in the US, stereotypical or not. Same can be said of other cultures in this country.

All that aside, there are people who don't fit those stereotypes due to how they were raised, who they grew up around, their choice, etc. Even if she wasn't playing the stereotype, she still talked about an experience she could never claim by virtue of her race in this country.

What is black culture? Culture isn't permanent , its always changing. Define it. What do you mean by black? define what constitutes being black in the US.

 

[Lencho01]

What is black culture? Culture isn't permanent , its always changing. Define it. What do you mean by black? define what constitutes being black in the US.

You can't define it like some word in the dictionary. Just like you can't define White culture, if that's the type of answer you're looking for. But, one would certainly not confuse either culture and experience with each other the same way they would confuse them with the various Asian and Hispanic cultures that can be found in this country.

Looking at what Dolezal has said and posted over the years, she clearly has an/her idea of what Black culture/experience/identity is like in the US. It's fine if she likes it or admires it. That's cool. It's how people learn about those around them.

But, being Black in the US as we have come to see after hundreds of years, there's no way she could ever claim to be Black and be taken seriously. You don't see people like Eminem or Paul Wall, who exhibit the stereotypes of being Black, ever claim they are Black (to the best of my knowledge) and I doubt they would create lies and tell others to lie for them to create such a narrative (showing she knew exactly what she was doing and there likely aren't any mental issues here). I'm surprised anyone

 

[Warhammer]

I think there's a difference between someone who doesn't want to be limited by cultural barriers and someone who actively tries to be a member of another race.

You're right, but I don't strive to be white by listening to rock. I'm biracial. I don't even have a true racial identity.

It's kind of messed up how a white person can listen to so many types of music, and people just accept a diversified taste. Some rock, rap, pop, r&b, alternative, etc... Then a black person listens outside of their perceived norm, and their own bro's start making fun of them for it To have to listen to one corner of music in order to be within one's culture, or eat one kind of food, watch certain types of movies/shows... Eh, that's crazy

It's a big world out there

Exactly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So apparently is plagiarized her art work as well. The woman is clearly just a liar.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/15/rachel-dolezal-art_n_7586972.html

 

[Frodo]

You can't define it like some word in the dictionary. Just like you can't define White culture, if that's the type of answer you're looking for. But, one would certainly not confuse either culture and experience with each other the same way they would confuse them with the various Asian and Hispanic cultures that can be found in this country.

Looking at what Dolezal has said and posted over the years, she clearly has an/her idea of what Black culture/experience/identity is like in the US. It's fine if she likes it or admires it. That's cool. It's how people learn about those around them.

But, being Black in the US as we have come to see after hundreds of years, there's no way she could ever claim to be Black and be taken seriously. You don't see people like Eminem or Paul Wall, who exhibit the stereotypes of being Black, ever claim they are Black (to the best of my knowledge) and I doubt they would create lies and tell others to lie for them to create such a narrative (showing she knew exactly what she was doing and there likely aren't any mental issues here). I'm surprised anyone

Well if you're placing people into categories, you have to be able to define what it is. If the argument is she isn't what she says she is , you have to define what she is and what she isn't. Specifically. If you're argument is she hasn't black based on experiences, identity, and culture, then you have to define what that those are and how they are uniquely "Black". Do Haitian American count? Afro Cuban Americans, do they count?

The term Black itself is subjective just as white is and has been defined in a variety of different ways over hundreds of years. So what definition are we using. What criteria? The one drop rule ? Again what is being black? If its about experiences then which experiences are we talking about? What about "Blacks" who have passed for "White", are they in the same boat as her?

 

[Apollo]

"Your race is human. Your culture is black"