Who can match or beat Superman?

[Badfish40oz]

Yep, and somehow DC fans love the crisises. It's like, retcons are ok if they're labeled a "crisis." Yet Marvel retcons anything and it's TERRIBLE! HOW COULD THEY!

Something I noticed about DC people too . . why is it ok to bring up Hulk's defeat to Batman pre-crisis (not even pre-crisis canon), but anything pre-crisis that could possibly prove something about a DC character is bad? If it's ok to bring up that dumb loss to Batman, than I can bring up how Jimmy Olsen defeated Superman on numerous occasions!

 

[KevanG]

To Superdickery.com! That site rocks...

 

[Cyrusbales]

hasn't radioactive man beaten supes before?

 

[Marvin]

Yep, and somehow DC fans love the crisises. It's like, retcons are ok if they're labeled a "crisis." Yet Marvel retcons anything and it's TERRIBLE! HOW COULD THEY!

Something I noticed about DC people too . . why is it ok to bring up Hulk's defeat to Batman pre-crisis (not even pre-crisis canon), but anything pre-crisis that could possibly prove something about a DC character is bad? If it's ok to bring up that dumb loss to Batman, than I can bring up how Jimmy Olsen defeated Superman on numerous occasions!

Theory one

1. the difference between pre and post crisis batman is an attitude change and if anything his prowess has gone up therefore if he could beat hulk when he was "colourful" it stands to be mentioned that now that he's "dark and uber" ...so on and so fourth

or

theory two

2. pre crisis superman and post crisis superman can hardly be considered the same character, that in itself removes any reason why pc superman should be mentioned around here...
moreover jimmy has taken down superman sure, so has lex, and plenty of other humans...thing is, they no doubt used kryptonite(or similar means)...
what kind of idiot would bring up "jimmy beat superman with krytonite, so the hulk can beat superman..."
in any intelligent conversation
unless ofcourse jimmy beat superman with his bare hands?

comprendez vous?



-marvin

 

[Still A ThorFan]

Thor

 

[incubat]

the whole idea of this thread is to see if anyone can beat superman WITHOUT kryptonite, 'cause if not, you know, give me piece of that green rock and i'll go face that son of a b*tch

 

[Marvin]

I doubt that, since Galactus is a whole different kinda force.

The reason why most people think Superman having so much power sucks is cause he basically has every power needed to defend against pretty much any kind of attack.WHAT? I recently read a post that said he has some kinda telepathy resistance, come onnot like they didn't explain it. They just recently they gave him his super intelligence back,WHAT? whats the point?

Invulnerability oh no, how dare he have invulnerability(only vulnerable to kryptonite and pure magical attacks/weapons, but only sharp enough magical weapons can hurt him, some think that Mjolnir cant even hurt him)just like everyone else mind u
Strength (base strength higher than the Hulks base strength)someone is actually initially stronger than the character whose strength increase as the fight goes on? fallace, fallace...
Speed (close to Flash speed)ur issuse here?
Flighti won't bother
Intelligencehuh?
Heat visionoh no
Ice breathah man
X-ray visionplenty more vision "modes" actually...
Telepathy Resistancethere are so many charcters with this that it's pointless to bring up...it's not like he's savage hulk or doomsday and can't be messed with...it's just his brain works differently but not so different so as to make him immue to that stuff

List list can keep going, thats what I dont like about DC's Crisis, its an excuse to give him more power.last time around it was an excuse to give him the biggest power degrade in history, your point? Superman has so many limitations on what can hurt him it's not even funny.why? because he's invulnerable, and has a slight resistace to telepathy? in theory captain marvel and thor and hulk probubly have a more effective invulnerability than him(ie healing factor and inherent magics without the kryptonite/red solar baggage) unless u mean due to the fact that he's got superspeed than he's un-hitable...then i understand ur frustration It seems like people thinks its okay cause he was the first real modern superhero, and he is the basis for pretty much every hero that came after him.

I mean really look at the powers Superman had when he first appeared back in the 30's and 40's, they uped his powers so he could be more powerful than Captain Marvel. He went from fast as a speeding bullet to moving so fast he could travel back in time. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound to full on flight.
they made him able to fly? oh no.
whatever the point is, as powerfull as they made him they also brought him back down again...
note all the 20 plus page "vs threads" with him and the not so "all powerfull" marvel characters

Hulk - Hulk is nowhere close to being as overpowered as Superman, he cant fly, he isnt nearly as fast as Superman, no heat vision, none of that extra crap"crap?", he's always had the same powers, no matter what form he takes, whether it's Grey, Savage, Merged, or Proffesor Hulk.
So we agree? Superman outclasses hulk in almost every category...Superman wins

Thor is a Norse God, and he still isn't nearly as overpowered as Superman, and when he is it's due to power boosts from Odin, and he still doesnt have as many defences as Superman does. DC makes a Crisis and magically Superman has all these extra powers.
So we agree? Superman outclasses thor Thor, Superman wins...this is fun lets keep going

Silver Surfer is powered by Galactus, one of the strongest characters in all of Comics, I personally think that Silver Surfer being that powerful isn't that far-fetched. Superman is an alien powered by the sun, not powered by some cosmic force or godly power.
on a serious note, here is where your "argument" falls to pieces, and i'll explain why at the end

Plus I dont think characters are cool because there power levels, but because of the actual story and depth of the character. Sentry is a cool character not becuase he is so powerful, but because he is so mysterios and conflicted.here also

What are you arguing?

the mere fact that superman has so many nifty powers? that he can "do anything?"

firstly he can't he's really in the middle on the power charts when one takes into account every character around

if dc created a character that can do anything and they said that it's because of a special piece of gum than who are you to argue, and if are someone to argue then maybe you should argue the flash and his existance, the hulk, spiderman...any character for that matter, the fact is it's all science fiction mumbo jumbo and completly false(otherwise i'd be out gettin hit by lighting with my fingers crossed right now)...So if DC says superman is any advanced alien who can do special things when hit by solar radiation, you really can't argue the perameters of what he should and should not be able to due...
otherwise a few of us may have a bone to pick with the Sentry.

next

you say superman is overpowered
then you go on to mention(at your own risk) the SilverSurfer and the Sentry, two character who on paper atleast are way higer on the powercharts...
you then say that you have no gripe with them due to one, it's okay for the surfer to be super due to him having a super patron...and it's okay for the sentry to be super(and cool mind u) due to his "story" being written well and all mysterious like?

but superman can't have a fraction of their powers because what? he's just alien?

I would conclude but i'd rather not...
i'll leave it to you

(mind the spelling/grammer but i really don't care right now gotta go)

-marvin

 

[Kitsune]

To Superdickery.com! That site rocks...

I'm always happy when I find an appropriate place to post a picture from Superdickery.

 

[KevanG]

I still go to that site every now and then and post a pic or two just to bug the "Pre-crisis superman is teh ROXXORZ!!!" noobs

 

[juggster-rules]

powdered toastman

 

[supermarvelman]

What are you arguing?

the mere fact that superman has so many nifty powers? that he can "do anything?"

firstly he can't he's really in the middle on the power charts when one takes into account every character around

if dc created a character that can do anything and they said that it's because of a special piece of gum than who are you to argue, and if are someone to argue then maybe you should argue the flash and his existance, the hulk, spiderman...any character for that matter, the fact is it's all science fiction mumbo jumbo and completly false(otherwise i'd be out gettin hit by lighting with my fingers crossed right now)...So if DC says superman is any advanced alien who can do special things when hit by solar radiation, you really can't argue the perameters of what he should and should not be able to due...
otherwise a few of us may have a bone to pick with the Sentry.

next

you say superman is overpowered
then you go on to mention(at your own risk) the SilverSurfer and the Sentry, two character who on paper atleast are way higer on the powercharts...
you then say that you have no gripe with them due to one, it's okay for the surfer to be super due to him having a super patron...and it's okay for the sentry to be super(and cool mind u) due to his "story" being written well and all mysterious like?

but superman can't have a fraction of their powers because what? he's just alien?

I would conclude but i'd rather not...
i'll leave it to you

(mind the spelling/grammer but i really don't care right now gotta go)

-marvin

I like Superman I just think that he is overpowered even when you compare him to everyother character out there. Everyone one his abilities gives him some kinda defense to anything that anybody can throw at him. Like I said Silver Surfer is powered by Galactus, it makes sense for him to be on a whole other level than most other characters, your kinda right about Sentry, I think I was just being a Sentry fanboy, he is pretty much in the same boat as Superman.

 

[supermarvelman]

Invulnerability (only vulnerable to kryptonite and pure magical attacks/weapons, but only sharp enough magical weapons can hurt him, some think that Mjolnir cant even hurt him)just like everyone else mind u, oh no, how dare he have invulnerability

i dont have aproblem with him having Invulnerability, it the combination of invulnerability + all his other powers which make him nearly unbeatable.

Strength (base strength higher than the Hulks base strength)someone is actually initially stronger than the character whose strength increase as the fight goes on? fallace, fallace...

Same as the Invulnerability, it okay for him to have it, but to have it with all the other powers he has iss just rediculuous.

Speed (close to Flash speed)ur issuse here?

My issue here is that super speed is probably the most useful power a metahuman could have. Super speed with the combination of invulnerability, strength and everything else, like you said not only can he not be hurt but you cant even touch him.

Flight won't bother

Flight is fine, I was just listing all of his powers, but if need be he can just fly far enough away from certain characters and decimate them with his heat vision.

Intelligencehuh?

Yes intelligence, not only can you not hurt him, or tough him, or beat him in a strength competition, but now you cant even out think the guy. He can process things like no other human can.

Heat vision oh no

Of course DC cant just give him Strength, Invulnerability, & Speed they had to give him some form of energy projection. He could instantly kill somebody with his damn heat vision.

Ice breath ah man

Just in case somebody like Flash can actually hit him, he can just freeze them.

X-ray visionplenty more vision "modes" actually...

This wont help him in a fight that much, but its just another power for him to have

Telepathy Resistancethere are so many charcters with this that it's pointless to bring up...it's not like he's savage hulk or doomsday and can't be messed with...it's just his brain works differently but not so different so as to make him immue to that stuff

Yes there are so many characters with this power, but name one that has nearly as many abilities as Superman does, give him some kind of vulnerability, besides Kryptonite.

Dont forget he also has tactical telekinesis, how do you think he holds together such big objects.

List list can keep going, thats what I dont like about DC's Crisis, its an excuse to give him more power.last time around it was an excuse to give him the biggest power degrade in history, your point?

Yes cause they realized how stupidly overpowered he was.


Superman has so many limitations on what can hurt him it's not even funny.why? because he's invulnerable, and has a slight resistace to telepathy? in theory captain marvel and thor and hulk probubly have a more effective invulnerability than him(ie healing factor and inherent magics without the kryptonite/red solar baggage) unless u mean due to the fact that he's got superspeed than he's un-hitable...then i understand ur frustration

Again do Hulk or Captain Marvel have as many abilities as Superman? No
And yes that is my frustration with his speed, along with all his other power.

It seems like people thinks its okay cause he was the first real modern superhero, and he is the basis for pretty much every hero that came after him.

I mean really look at the powers Superman had when he first appeared back in the 30's and 40's, they uped his powers so he could be more powerful than Captain Marvel. He went from fast as a speeding bullet to moving so fast he could travel back in time. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound to full on flight.
they made him able to fly? oh no.

Well thats my point, If there is a character out there that could possibly give Supes a run for his money or beat him, its like DC gives him some kinda power similar or equal to the character in question

Hulk - Hulk is nowhere close to being as overpowered as Superman, he cant fly, he isnt nearly as fast as Superman, no heat vision, none of that extra crap"crap?", he's always had the same powers, no matter what form he takes, whether it's Grey, Savage, Merged, or Proffesor Hulk.
So we agree? Superman outclasses hulk in almost every category...Superman wins

Yes your right but I wouldn't say outclass, this shows you how overpowered he is, Hulk one of Marvels most powerful characters is dwarfed by Supes cause all his extra powers.

 

[supermarvelman]

Thor is a Norse God, and he still isn't nearly as overpowered as Superman, and when he is it's due to power boosts from Odin, and he still doesnt have as many defences as Superman does. DC makes a Crisis and magically Superman has all these extra powers.
So we agree? Superman outclasses thor Thor, Superman wins...this is fun lets keep going

Again he does not outclass him, it just shows that even a God has his limitations, but not Superman, what bull ****

Silver Surfer is powered by Galactus, one of the strongest characters in all of Comics, I personally think that Silver Surfer being that powerful isn't that far-fetched. Superman is an alien powered by the sun, not powered by some cosmic force or godly power.
on a serious note, here is where your "argument" falls to pieces, and i'll explain why at the end

I dont see how it falls apart, Galactus is a character who could kill Supes if he farted, so for SS to be powered by him is very reasonable.

Plus I dont think characters are cool because there power levels, but because of the actual story and depth of the character. Sentry is a cool character not becuase he is so powerful, but because he is so mysterios and conflicted.here also

Sentry I said was "cooler" because he is mysterious and conflicted, I didn't say he wasnt also overpowered.

So...

Invulnerability - Protects against all physical attacks.
Strength - Stronger than 95% of all comic characters
Speed - To fast ro hit
Telepathy Resistance - Protects against most mental attacks
Intelligence - Able to process things faster than people can take action

These 5 powers basically make him unbeatable.

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Thor should beat Superman in a fight.

 

[superhero_mania]

silver surfer

 

[bengan]

Couldnt Scarlet witch do that? I mean she has the magic and if Superman would get annoying she could only say " No more people in blue spandex that is extremly powerfull and boring to read about" and he would be fenito.

 

[Son_of_W]

Technically she should just displace superman right, because his powers are all based off the energy he absorbs from yellow suns. Energy cannot be created or detsroyed, just transferred. If our Solar battery powered man of steel happened to be low on charge, say at night or if someone was sucking him dry, and she said that? yeah, we'd end up with a super hero with absolutely no powers or very little to speak of.

But if he was fully charged/ we might end up with a case of super even worse then Supes. He might be Superman...in Orange and Green spandex calling himselg Tangerine man, with the ability to make you nauseus from the smell of Orange's from a billion kilometers away.

Point is, Wanda powers have limits concerning anything to do with energy. If you read House of M, pay attention to how many of the "Mutant Majority" you see have powers and what they are. For the most part, mutants still have guns. They're just ugly humans. ONly the original mutants from before Scarlet Witches attack have their powers still, and when she took most of thm away, the powers were for the most part just displaced into the Collective. If she said "No more Superman" she could just be recreating him somewhere else, in a different form, or just with different ridiculously overexaggeratted powers.

Now, if Franklin richards just happened to create a pocket universe and throw Superman into it, and Superman was the WEAKEST person in that universe...heh, then we'd have an interesting storyline now wouldn't we?t:

 

[KevanG]

Hey wiggles... anyway, what I'm thinking is that the SS could just absoreb the solar radiation that supes absorbs for his powers. The Surfer can get power directly from the sun itself or any other power source so why couldn't he just take the radiation directly from Supes cells?

Now, if Franklin richards just happened to create a pocket universe and throw Superman into it, and Superman was the WEAKEST person in that universe...heh, then we'd have an interesting storyline now wouldn't we?t:

BTW didn't they do the same thing with the hulk once? I think I remember reading something about Hulk being tossed into another dimension where he was the weakest being in it...

 

[Son_of_W]

I suppose SS could absorb the power right out of Supes. I mean, he did absorb radiation right of Hulk at least once.

And I think that's Planet Hulk, but that wasn't Franklin Richards. Some mysterious group just transported Hulk offplanet and he ended up on the planet where he isn't the strongest.

But, Frankling did put a bunch of the "dead" heroes from the Onslaught saga in a pocket universe, and I think hulk was one of them.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

It was a planet that pulled him in to make him fight in an arena.

And Hulk was transported, well, Bruce Banner was transported to Counter Earth, and Hulk was left behind on regular Earth, growing way more powerful than he ever had been before. And the Surfer tried doing that to the Hulk, mentioning that tactic had worked in the past, and almost killed the Hulk.

 

[Marvin]

I like Superman I just think that he is overpowered even when you compare him to everyother character out there. Everyone one his abilities gives him some kinda defense to anything that anybody can throw at him. Like I said Silver Surfer is powered by Galactus, it makes sense for him to be on a whole other level than most other characters, your kinda right about Sentry, I think I was just being a Sentry fanboy, he is pretty much in the same boat as Superman.

that's all fine

my point was that

one can't claim superman is "overpowered" (espcially for having about 9 powers intotal)

and then say sufer/sentry/whomever else isn't

and then use the rational;

if superman was perhaps powered by something else then him having (about) 9 powers (in total) would be ok

-Marvin

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Who's not said that the Surfer and Sentry aren't overpowered?

 

[Marvin]

Who's not said that the Surfer and Sentry aren't overpowered?

I'm not one to point fingers...

but it's some ppl belief

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, Sentry definitely has the variety of powers overpowerment thing. THEN he has all sorts of power pumped into those powers.

The Silver Surfer is pretty much the same, really.

 

[Vanguard07]

I'd agree that Sentry's overpowered but not Surfer. The difference is Surfer's role isnt a planetary one.
He's got the length and breadth of the universe to operate in.
Supes and Sentry (while they have adventures elsewhere) function pretty much solely on one measly little dirtball.

It's too much of a big fish, small pond kinda thing.