Who do you want to see as Captain Marvel?

[Spiderdevil]

There was no misunderstanding. You made gross sexist comments, and continue to do so with this post.

So speaking reality is sexist now?

 

[ralphuniverse]

Probably. Especially when you are dealing with people who have gone through the reality distortion device known as Gender Studies.

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Ralph

So speaking reality is sexist now?

 

[Silvermoth]

Men and women actually age the same (suprise suprise). It just says a lot about how you value women compared to men as they age

 

[jihado86]

it's simple, Tom Cruise or Brad Pit are both over 50, they can make a role of a 40 year old. While Julianne Moore or Sharon Stone can't.

It's not sexism, it's biology.

 

[Moridin]

Pretty sure she was referring to the Peggy role with those comments, since that's the one she actually turned down. Of course she was wrong about that role, too, IMO, but I still don't blame her for not wanting that one after almost being Black Widow.

And to be fair, even if her hand was forced with IM2, Widow in that film was a cardboard cutout. It wasn't until TA, and especially Winter Soldier, that she actually became a character.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

it's simple, Tom Cruise or Brad Pit are both over 50, they can make a role of a 40 year old. While Julianne Moore or Sharon Stone can't.

It's not sexism, it's biology.

And that's THOSE two actresses, just as there are actors that are over 50 that look sub-optimal age wise also for playing younger. It cuts both ways. No one is suggesting Julianne Moore or Stone play Carol. Bust Chastain and Theron and other actresses in that general age range could, and could easily still be in good shape to play Carol for some time to come. Here's the Zod's honest truth... If the actress picked plays the role well, is entertaining and compelling and you believe in her the way we believe in Evans or RDJ in their roles, then the age issue goes away, whether "young" or "old". That being said, I think the rationale AGAINST getting an actress too "young" looking for the part has a bit more heft going up against the "No actresses over the age of 31 should be considered" sentiment.

 

[KangConquers]

People are getting testy about the age thing right now, but I'll just say this. Whoever they cast as Carol should be able to play her for 10 years. For that reason, I'd kind of prefer an actress born between 1985-1990. Someone who can be between 27-33 for the solo debut, and still be reasonably young for an entire solo trilogy, and a new Avengers trilogy.


This has been a common argument for years, with people casting more famous names like John Hamm as Superman, and Brad Pitt as Captain America, even as the actors aged beyond the role. They should find the right actress for the role of Carol Danvers, not tailor the role to an actress.

Carol should in my opinion, be a skilled actress first and foremost. A sweet actress who is superbly talented will be able to convince you she's a no-nonsense Air Force Officer. They don't have to be a bad ass in real life. Blonde hair and blue eyes is preferable, and I think a height of 5'6" is a minimum. Anything under 25 is too young, and anything over 35 might be detrimental to the franchise, long term.

I'm not sure who the perfect Carol is, but I have faith in Marvel to find her. Until then I'm not about to make concessions just because I saw an actress on the tv, and she was blonde, and I really want her in an MCU film.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Men and women actually age the same (suprise suprise). It just says a lot about how you value women compared to men as they age

Not in Hollywood
Tom Cruise for example,hasn't changed a lot since the 90s,and you look at his co-stars from that period,Renee Zellweger for example who doesn't look too good despite being 7 years younger than Cruise

 

[Spiderdevil]

And that's THOSE two actresses, just as there are actors that are over 50 that look sub-optimal age wise also for playing younger. It cuts both ways. No one is suggesting Julianne Moore or Stone play Carol. Bust Chastain and Theron and other actresses in that general age range could, and could easily still be in good shape to play Carol for some time to come. Here's the Zod's honest truth... If the actress picked plays the role well, is entertaining and compelling and you believe in her the way we believe in Evans or RDJ in their roles, then the age issue goes away, whether "young" or "old". That being said, I think the rationale AGAINST getting an actress too "young" looking for the part has a bit more heft going up against the "No actresses over the age of 31 should be considered" sentiment.

I would be okay with Chastain,but not Theron,she will be 43 when the movie releases,46 when the sequel starts filming..I don't see it.Its better to go for someone younger to keep their options open

 

[gildedmuse]

I don't know why I read casting threads, as I hardly ever know any of the names (I'm just not good with actors!) and, to be honest, almost every female-casting thread I have ever read has made me feel uncomfortable at times.

Here's the Zod's honest truth... If the actress picked plays the role well, is entertaining and compelling and you believe in her the way we believe in Evans or RDJ in their roles, then the age issue goes away, whether "young" or "old".

I have probably said this any time casting is brought up, but it's honestly how I believe you wind up with the best movie possible. Don't worry about age, don't worry about appearance - just concentrate on finding someone who can embody the character, comes to the production with enthusiasm and commitment, and who is able to lift something off the page of a comic book or a script and truly bring it to life. 9/10 times that is going to give you the kind of performance you can rest the weight of a movie on.

If you really care about Carol, consider what makes her so important to you and what about her separates her from every other superhero out there. It's not her body (plenty of super heroines have that) or how she's drawn (which changes with each artist anyway) or even things like being blonde or her costume or, in this case, even her code name.

What makes Carol, Carol is her strength (of character). She has proven herself to be a strong leader but you know it just by her striking presence, a result of her confidence and attitude as much as anything. She is headstrong, unyielding and bold enough to stick up for herself in the face of a bigoted father or the whole Avengers team. There is a strong theme of independence and freedom in her stories represented by her love of flight and her belief in her ability to determine her own fate. Her time in the military has trained her to be smart, calculating, and intense in battle to the point of appearing callous, even ruthless.

Carol is a true warrior, but she is a warrior who knows how to have a little fun. She's got the humor and swagger of an ace pilot which she'll occasionally use to cover up her personal demons, haunted memories of the past, inner insecurities, and other "emotional weaknesses". As much as some of you may not want to hear this, a big part of Carol is her feminist streak; she believes she is just as capable as any man regardless of the field, that woman are in no way inherently inferior and that they can do anything they set their minds to. I'm sorry if that makes anyone uncomfortable but Carol wouldn't be.

These are the things that make Carol Danvers, and any actress they look at better be able to command your attention when she's on the screen, she better come off as a women who is fiercely determined with a strong independence-streak. I want someone with all the flash and swagger of an ace pilot and yet who is clearly thinking military strategy even under heavy fight. She should be able to play more than the shallow "girl power!" role - in other words, like RDJ's performance of Tony you should see that some of the bluster is only cover - but she shouldn't shy away from her own aweomeness. I'd like to see only the faintest hints of uncertainty in herself right in the moment of receiving her powers before she jumps in and immediately takes to the role of superhero like no one's business.

So... I guess what I'm saying is that any actress who can pull off all of that, that is who I vote for. I don't care about her age or height or body or hair color or - gasp and shock! - race, because I don't think any of those things are prerequisites to Carol's characters.

In fact I would say that the top qualifiers are:
1. Stand out in a scene with the rest of the Avengers actors.
2. Radiate confidence and authority on screen.
3. Be awesome.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I would be okay with Chastain,but not Theron,she will be 43 when the movie releases,46 when the sequel starts filming..I don't see it.Its better to go for someone younger to keep their options open

WTF?

And what, pray tell, are the "options" they need to keep open? Are you expecting her to need a walker or wheelchair by time she turns 46? Will her hair suddenly turn white and fall out, with the need for dentures not far behind?

How old are you? I ask this, because you're posting as someone who doesn't know much about health in a person's 30s and 40s.

 

[FVD]

Abbie Cornish is a name not mentioned on the poll. Otherwise I'll settle on Yvonne Strahovsky.

 

[Fincher]

I'd definitely be sold on Abbie Cornish.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Helen Mirren is 69 and kicked a ton of ass in Red.

It's Hollywood, folks. Most of these aesthetic elements people worry about are erased once someone visits the makeup people in the morning, and yes, this applies just as much to Pitt, Cruise, etc. Being 40, 45, 50 is meaningless when you have younger and more athletic stunt people around to do all the crazy active stuff, leaving you to worry about dialogue and emotion.

Imho, ideally you're looking for someone early to mid 30's but I wouldn't balk at someone like Theron or Banks who will be 40+ by the time this films. Hell Sandra Bullock is 50 and could pull this off easily.

But I just can't take someone seriously when they start suggesting gals in their early/mid 20's or when they consider mid 30's too old. Danvers needs to project some authority and some maturity and I don't see that coming from some of these suggestions.

 

[Fincher]

Actually, thinking about it, Abbie Cornish is pretty much perfect. She's a talented actress who's comfortable with strong roles (moreso than fragile/girly ones, I'd say), she was great in an action role in Sucker Punch and genuinely gave the impression she could beat someone up, she's not some standard Hollywood waif, she's blonde, she's beautiful, and she's 32 right now which should please those who don't want twenty-somethings as well as those who don't want forty-somethings. The only thing from Marvel's perspective is that she's not some big name, but then I'm not sure how much of a ticket-seller Blunt or Chastain is, anyway.

 

[Nokio]

You are misunderstanding me,I am not saying they don't look beautiful,I am saying that they would have looked better when there were younger,so the general idea for film-makers is to cast someone younger who may look better unless the role requires serious acting chops,and lets face it,they are very few blockbusters which require that for female roles

While that analogy might also be true for some pretty boys like Says Evans or Hemsworth,but majority maintain their look for long(RDJ,Cruise,Reeves) so it doesn't matter for them

My initial point was against you claiming people were biased and sexist for having a age limit for the casting choice while its not really so,there is a range for the male actors aswell,albeit at a higher range


Agreed,its reality
But also because most male roles require acting chops and its the leading role so they go for established stars for their Star-power and acting ability while the female role is that of a supporting character without a lot of focus so they make do with younger talent

Ofcourse there are a lot of women centric films but most of them low-key films rather than big budget movies

Fine man I'm done with the debate. If you guys want a 23-25 year old actress as Captain Marvel then I hope you get your wish. I don't agree with it because of Carol's accomplishments as a high ranking officer and fighter jet pilot in the US Air force, who then went on to become a Cia or FBI agent if I recall correctly but I guess it's best to suspend disbelief in this case. If Denise Richards can play a nuclear physicist then anything is possible. At least she looked great though.

Marvel should just all together rewrite Carol's back story. Their should No history at all in the military or as a Federal agent. It'll work better for me cause I don't want to see some young hot actress who I'm supposed to believe was a trailblazer for women in the military look like she just got out of college. I guess they can have an injured Mar-vell crash somewhere probably near a college campus or a diner or mall where she's working. Carol finds and helps him hide out from interstellar aliens until he recovers and she gains her powers similar to how she did in the comics. I'm just saying.

If 30 seems to be the cut off age for female actors then they better go younger to get a couple of sequels out of them. As long as she looks the part, acting chops be damned huh? I guess if this is the popular route to go then Dakota Fanning should be around 23 or 24 when this comes out. I vote for her. She is a very good actress, as well as Chole Grace Moritz and Elle Fanning, although they both may still be to young. Ay least their acting won't suck if they cast any three of these young women.

 

[Nokio]

Actually, thinking about it, Abbie Cornish is pretty much perfect. She's a talented actress who's comfortable with strong roles (moreso than fragile/girly ones, I'd say), she was great in an action role in Sucker Punch and genuinely gave the impression she could beat someone up, she's not some standard Hollywood waif, she's blonde, she's beautiful, and she's 32 right now which should please those who don't want twenty-somethings as well as those who don't want forty-somethings. The only thing from Marvel's perspective is that she's not some big name, but then I'm not sure how much of a ticket-seller Blunt or Chastain is, anyway.

She's to old. By the time this comes out she'll be probably 35 or 36. It's best to go as young as possible 25 or 26 as many here keep saying about over 30 actresses being to old. Hey if you can't beat em then join them.

 

[Nokio]

I don't know why I read casting threads, as I hardly ever know any of the names (I'm just not good with actors!) and, to be honest, almost every female-casting thread I have ever read has made me feel uncomfortable at times.



I have probably said this any time casting is brought up, but it's honestly how I believe you wind up with the best movie possible. Don't worry about age, don't worry about appearance - just concentrate on finding someone who can embody the character, comes to the production with enthusiasm and commitment, and who is able to lift something off the page of a comic book or a script and truly bring it to life. 9/10 times that is going to give you the kind of performance you can rest the weight of a movie on.

If you really care about Carol, consider what makes her so important to you and what about her separates her from every other superhero out there. It's not her body (plenty of super heroines have that) or how she's drawn (which changes with each artist anyway) or even things like being blonde or her costume or, in this case, even her code name.

What makes Carol, Carol is her strength (of character). She has proven herself to be a strong leader but you know it just by her striking presence, a result of her confidence and attitude as much as anything. She is headstrong, unyielding and bold enough to stick up for herself in the face of a bigoted father or the whole Avengers team. There is a strong theme of independence and freedom in her stories represented by her love of flight and her belief in her ability to determine her own fate. Her time in the military has trained her to be smart, calculating, and intense in battle to the point of appearing callous, even ruthless.

Carol is a true warrior, but she is a warrior who knows how to have a little fun. She's got the humor and swagger of an ace pilot which she'll occasionally use to cover up her personal demons, haunted memories of the past, inner insecurities, and other "emotional weaknesses". As much as some of you may not want to hear this, a big part of Carol is her feminist streak; she believes she is just as capable as any man regardless of the field, that woman are in no way inherently inferior and that they can do anything they set their minds to. I'm sorry if that makes anyone uncomfortable but Carol wouldn't be.

These are the things that make Carol Danvers, and any actress they look at better be able to command your attention when she's on the screen, she better come off as a women who is fiercely determined with a strong independence-streak. I want someone with all the flash and swagger of an ace pilot and yet who is clearly thinking military strategy even under heavy fight. She should be able to play more than the shallow "girl power!" role - in other words, like RDJ's performance of Tony you should see that some of the bluster is only cover - but she shouldn't shy away from her own aweomeness. I'd like to see only the faintest hints of uncertainty in herself right in the moment of receiving her powers before she jumps in and immediately takes to the role of superhero like no one's business.

So... I guess what I'm saying is that any actress who can pull off all of that, that is who I vote for. I don't care about her age or height or body or hair color or - gasp and shock! - race, because I don't think any of those things are prerequisites to Carol's characters.

In fact I would say that the top qualifiers are:
1. Stand out in a scene with the rest of the Avengers actors.
2. Radiate confidence and authority on screen.
3. Be awesome.

Excellent post although I do care about age. Everything you said isn't going to come from someone who hasn't experienced life enough. A 25 year old just isn't going to be acceptable as a woman who has accomplished the things that Carol has and the demons she's delt with. I think she has to be an actress over 30. 32 or 33 is ideally old enough for me.

 

[Spiderdevil]

WTF?

And what, pray tell, are the "options" they need to keep open? Are you expecting her to need a walker or wheelchair by time she turns 46? Will her hair suddenly turn white and fall out, with the need for dentures not far behind?

How old are you? I ask this, because you're posting as someone who doesn't know much about health in a person's 30s and 40s.

In today's era, especially in Marvel's universe, one may end up playing the same character for 10+ years, do you seriously see Theron play Carol Danvers till 52?

A LOT more effort goes into making a superhero movie than comes on face value, if she was being casted for a non-action/commander/leader type role similar to Sam Jackson's or Redford's then I would be thrilled, but a person playing a superheroine(or Superhero) needs to go through months and months of training at the gym, they will need to have learn basics of flight training, do yoga, learn some fighting techniques like Karv Maga, read about the character and what not.
Emily Blunt for example, trained for 5 months for her role in 'Edge of tomorrow'(That must be more than 2 times the filming time), do you seriously see Theron show similar commitment? Maybe today but when she is like 47-48?

And this isn't just for females, there is a reason why Ben Affleck had trouble building up his body and they were rumors that he resorted to steroids, there is a reason why Hugh Jackman has been talking about giving up Wolverine despite loving the role because he can't train as much anymore.There is a reason why RDJ doesn't get in costume anymore like he used during filming of IM1 and IM2

 

[Spiderdevil]

Helen Mirren is 69 and kicked a ton of ass in Red.

It's Hollywood, folks. Most of these aesthetic elements people worry about are erased once someone visits the makeup people in the morning, and yes, this applies just as much to Pitt, Cruise, etc. Being 40, 45, 50 is meaningless when you have younger and more athletic stunt people around to do all the crazy active stuff, leaving you to worry about dialogue and emotion.

Imho, ideally you're looking for someone early to mid 30's but I wouldn't balk at someone like Theron or Banks who will be 40+ by the time this films. Hell Sandra Bullock is 50 and could pull this off easily.

But I just can't take someone seriously when they start suggesting gals in their early/mid 20's or when they consider mid 30's too old. Danvers needs to project some authority and some maturity and I don't see that coming from some of these suggestions.

I wouldn't wanna go under 30 either,but anything over 35 and I wouldn't agree to that

Someone 32-33 would be perfect

 

[Spiderdevil]

Fine man I'm done with the debate. If you guys want a 23-25 year old actress as Captain Marvel then I hope you get your wish. I don't agree with it because of Carol's accomplishments as a high ranking officer and fighter jet pilot in the US Air force, who then went on to become a Cia or FBI agent if I recall correctly but I guess it's best to suspend disbelief in this case. If Denise Richards can play a nuclear physicist then anything is possible. At least she looked great though.

Marvel should just all together rewrite Carol's back story. Their should No history at all in the military or as a Federal agent. It'll work better for me cause I don't want to see some young hot actress who I'm supposed to believe was a trailblazer for women in the military look like she just got out of college. I guess they can have an injured Mar-vell crash somewhere probably near a college campus or a diner or mall where she's working. Carol finds and helps him hide out from interstellar aliens until he recovers and she gains her powers similar to how she did in the comics. I'm just saying.

If 30 seems to be the cut off age for female actors then they better go younger to get a couple of sequels out of them. As long as she looks the part, acting chops be damned huh? I guess if this is the popular route to go then Dakota Fanning should be around 23 or 24 when this comes out. I vote for her. She is a very good actress, as well as Chole Grace Moritz and Elle Fanning, although they both may still be to young. Ay least their acting won't suck if they cast any three of these young women.

Do you seriously even read my post? For me someone 28-35 would be perfect,preferably someone 32 or 33

People are suggesting Theron who will be 43 when filming starts? Do you seriously want that?

 

[Iceman]

Cap Marvel is the (solo) character I'm most excited about talking about from the upcoming slate. Unfortunately can't see this place ever getting past being a sexism/ageism war.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Do you seriously even read my post? For me someone 28-35 would be perfect,preferably someone 32 or 33

People are suggesting Theron who will be 43 when filming starts? Do you seriously want that?

This would be the end of the world because? The actress (a stunning beauty that is in great shape and most likely will continue to be in such shape) would be in the age range that RDJ was for all his solo films, and they are still using him, because his talent and what he can bring to the table matter more than his age. Why can't it be so for Theron or any other actress that is already in their thirties? THIRTIES, mind you. So she'll be in her 40's for the time period of sequels... This is going to make peoples eyeballs melt or something? Seeing a female super hero that has some mileage on her, maybe... HEAVENS NO... A wrinkle or two, will bring the proceedings to a screeching halt? No one is talking about this like wanting say, a man pushing 70 to play Deathstroke. This is not, IN ANY WAY, like wanting Anne Margret to play this role. A Carol that is played by an actress in her 40's (that looks many years younger to most everyone) isn't some bullet to be dodged. Again, who knows who will be cast, but I think there's something to be said for looking at overall talent and what an actress can bring to the table as opposed to getting hung up because the actress doesn't fit into some kind of imagined perfect age range, especially since EVERY OTHER SUPER HERO CHARACTER in the MCU is being played by actors over 35 years old. No one is saying Boseman is too old to play Panther. No one is saying that Renner, in his 40's risks getting "out of shape" for the role of Hawkeye. No one said, "Oh, but Mark Ruffalo/RDJ/Cheadle is in his 40's... Think about all the sequels!!"

 

[flickchick85]

Cap Marvel is the (solo) character I'm most excited about talking about from the upcoming slate. Unfortunately can't see this place ever getting past being a sexism/ageism war.

Until the character is cast, at least, I fear you may be right. All the more reason to hope she shows up in another MCU film sooner rather than later.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Cap Marvel is the (solo) character I'm most excited about talking about from the upcoming slate. Unfortunately can't see this place ever getting past being a sexism/ageism war.

It is nothing to do with sex,its the same in the Doctor Strange casting thread

In such a vast universe spanning so many years,you can no longer act as if age doesn't matter