The Amazing Spider-Man Who else feels sick?

[Chris Wallace]

I don't bother with people who can't seem to state their opinions without resorting to childish insults.

 

[Dangerous]

You're just proving my point about what I said a to you even more.

That you can't understand why I don't love the train scene in SM2 as much as the weight lifting scene in ASM#33, despite me explaining why it was lacking for me in numerous ways compared to that scene.

OK, fair enough you can't understand why I don't like it.
Let's leave it at that.

Also, insulting me over an internet message board is quite pathetic.

Suggesting you brush up on your reading skills was not an insult.
Just a friendly suggestion, since I explained my reasons clearly.
At least I thought I did.

 

[Dangerous]

I don't bother with people who can't seem to state their opinions without resorting to childish insults.

If that was directed at moi, I did not use any childish insults towards you.

I said; - that you not understanding how fans could want a more dark and gritty film that also featured Spidey telling jokes, seemed somewhat narrow minded to me. As if you were looking at this in very black & white terms. Suggesting you were being narrow minded and explaining why does not constitute a childish insult.

I then gave an example of dark and gritty & comedy being using together in the videogame Madworld. And there have in fact been countless other examples in the realm of entertainment over the decades, Evil Dead to name one of many.

In saying I won't bother to converse with someone who uses childish insults (whether they have done or not) sub communicates to me that you have nothing else to say because I shut down your argument.

 

[Dangerous]

What in heaven's name has a bust got to do with a fabric costume? lol, seriously dude, just because it's 3D does not mean, 'they can make it like this!' It's still paint on a hard surface, nothing like fabric at all.

Perhaps…
I was using it as an example tho, of what a Romita faithful costume COULD look like on a 3D model.
Personally I think using the right type of fabric; it COULD be possible to achieve that look.

Don’t forget the blue scaly parts of the Raimi costume looked ‘nothing like fabric at all’ as well.

About the closest thing we have to what you suggest is the Nicholas Hammond costume, and I'm talking about the webs here. The webs looks crappy, and indistinct.

Web wise, yes that is the look I’d like to see.
Personally, I think the webbing pattern on that suit looks perfect.
Just the webbing pattern tho, overall the suit is horrible, no argument.

‘Marker pen’ was just as term of phrase, a way for me to try to explain the look I’d like to see. Don’t get too attached to ‘marker pen’ as something I would specifically want, obviously using sharpies themselves would look crap.

Web pattern wise what I want is something that looks like it is the suit, is not stuck on and does not reflect light like Raimi’s horrible raised webbing that often looked silver. In this respect, a PRINTED design would be the best, rather than ‘marker pen’ heh, or the webs being stitched into the suit.

The only place that costume you are imagining will ever exist is in your head. It's not do-able,

Making a Romita faithful Spidey costume that does not look lame on film is certainly within the realms of human capabilities, hehheh. Whether we will ever see it on the big screen is another matter.

no matter how they stitch the webs, or 'draw' them in they will never look as distinct as a fine black line inked or painted in a drawing.

Says you, when in fact despite all its crapness, the one thing that was great about the Hammond suit was that the webs which were perfect and in fact JUST as distinct as the comicbook version.

That is the point of the thick raised, 3D mesh webbing of the Raimi films, to reflect light and give the webs more body and solidity, ie to make them distinct. Like the nicely thick inked lines of comic books that give the costume body and form.

The raised webs reflecting light looked totally whack.
Often they came out a horrid silvery color instead of beautiful matt black.
And as I previously highlighted; - when Spidey is far away from the ‘camera’ in panel, you can’t see the webs anyway.

This time I would prefer if the actor in the suit was in good enough shape that Spidey had good ‘body and form’ without the need for crummy raised webbing, padding out or painted-on muscles.

Which after all is not hard.
The kid only needs to be in Ditko Spider-Man shape.
Heck, even Zac Efron can manage that right now, tho I hope to Satan he does not land the part.

EDIT- But then why is that?

Only because I associate him w/ those musical movies for kids.
He could be good at being Peter Parker, who knows.
I'm pretty open on the casting of this, so long as the actors can pass on a visual level.
PP just needs to have more of an edge this time, and not be a drip, and Efron don't grab me as the type.

 

[david icke]

Says you, when in fact despite all its crapness, the one thing that was great about the Hammond suit was that the webs which were perfect and in fact JUST as distinct as the comicbook version.

Why on Earth didn't you just use the Hammond outfit as the example of the webs you wanted on the suit? Instead of posting painted statues and comicbook pics?
I disagree though, the Hammond webs don't show up as distinct as the comicbook drawings, or look that interesting, in fact, a lot of the time he just looks like a guy in a big red sock.
In fact, the only time they look distinct and good is in close ups, and that's not good enough.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I disagree though, the Hammond webs don't show up as distinct as the comicbook drawings, or look that interesting, in fact, a lot of the time he just looks like a guy in a big red sock.

I totally agree.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

That you can't understand why I don't love the train scene in SM2 as much as the weight lifting scene in ASM#33, despite me explaining why it was lacking for me in numerous ways compared to that scene.

OK, fair enough you can't understand why I don't like it.
Let's leave it at that.

No, you said that it would be great to see SPidey fighting against the odds or something, which was obviously clear in S-M2 with the train scene. That's all you bashers do. Trying to change what you said.

Suggesting you brush up on your reading skills was not an insult.
Just a friendly suggestion, since I explained my reasons clearly.
At least I thought I did.

NO, you're being an ass. Mainly if you're trying to say it's a "friendly suggestion".

Also, please don't say, "YOu shouldn't be name calling." You insulted me, my friend. Just saying.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't bother with people who can't seem to state their opinions without resorting to childish insults.

Because that's the way bashers are. They call us ignorant, whe nthey never stopped and questioned themselves. They act like their opinion is more important.

 

[Dangerous]

Why on Earth didn't you just use the Hammond outfit as the example of the webs you wanted on the suit? Instead of posting painted statues and comicbook pics?

I was posting pics of the Romita-Ross suit to show what I would like to see.
On the subject of webs specifically, the Hammond webs work just as well.
I did not post pics of the Hammond suit because the overall costume is what I was talking about.

I disagree though, the Hammond webs don't show up as distinct as the comicbook drawings, or look that interesting, in fact, a lot of the time he just looks like a guy in a big red sock.
In fact, the only time they look distinct and good is in close ups, and that's not good enough.

If you think they don't show up enough all they need to do is thicken them, and if you don't like the design then change the way they are drawn.

I was using them as an example to say that a printed on design is the best way to go rather than sticking hockey looking webbing onto the suit this time, so that we get something more streamline and closer to the proper design.

That would stop him looking like a big red sock, heh.

 

[Dangerous]

No, you said that it would be great to see SPidey fighting against the odds or something, which was obviously clear in S-M2 with the train scene.

WRONG.

I explained in post #95 on page 4 of this thread why I do not love the train scene in SM2 as much as the weight lifting scene in ASM#33.
I explained in numerous ways WHY it was lacking in comparison FOR ME.

Here is the excerpt from post#95, page 4 of what I said AGAIN for your benefit-

Not exact same scenario.

In Spidey vs. train, Spidey was in a fight and then presented with a difficult challenge that he just about overcame. He was not practically dead on his feet to start with. The train scene did not recall his motivations and frustrations and tie them all together via his internal monologue to create a stirring momentum to his actions which resulted in victory from a starting point of being practically beaten.

If you think I have altered the above quote in any way at all, or its context-
GO BK TO PAGE 4 AND READ MY POST AGAIN.
I dare you.

Maybe you will be able to remember it a little better this time.
Try READING my posts next time before trying to be a smart ass.

That's all you bashers do. Trying to change what you said.

RIIIGGGHHHHTTTTT.
Bet you feel stupid now.

Also I'm not a 'basher', I just did not like the Raimi films on the whole.
That's not to say there wasn't some great stuff in there in small quantities.

Stuff I liked-

-Dafoe was superbly cast, and his performance was great.
-Sandman, ditto. He was cast brilliantly and looked great.
He just could have done with being a bit more ticked off.

NO, you're being an ass. Mainly if you're trying to say it's a "friendly suggestion"

Also, please don't say, "YOu shouldn't be name calling." You insulted me, my friend. Just saying.

I never insulted anyone.

I gave constructive criticism; - suggesting that you should brush up on your reading skills based on you not reading my posts properly- a statement proved above in this post of mine…. And suggested to whom I assume to be your 'friend' that he was projecting a narrow minded viewpoint in not being able to see how a film could be both dark & gritty and also feature jokes. I then explained why.

Which is more insulting;- that, or –

NO, you're being an ass.

Which amusingly comes from the guy who says-

Also, insulting me over an internet message board is quite pathetic.

So you are insulting AND pathetic by your own terms.
AND you seem to have a problem in reading/understanding other people’s posts.

Good day.

 

[david icke]

I was posting pics of the Romita-Ross suit to show what I would like to see.
On the subject of webs specifically, the Hammond webs work just as well.
I did not post pics of the Hammond suit because the overall costume is what I was talking about.

But we were only talking about the webs on the costume when you posted up the bust, that's why I asked. edit: You just citing Hammond's costume would have saved a lot of time.

If you think they don't show up enough all they need to do is thicken them, and if you don't like the design then change the way they are drawn.

Not sure what you mean by change the design. I'm not into changing the shape of the webs at all, just keep them the way they are drawn in the books, the way Ditko's designed them, it's the way they are presented in live action that is the issue, so that the cool design can be seen and appreciated.

I was using them as an example to say that a printed on design is the best way to go rather than sticking hockey looking webbing onto the suit this time, so that we get something more streamline and closer to the proper design.

That would stop him looking like a big red sock, heh.

I don't think it would really, the lines would either still be indistinct , or so thick that they looked like the stitching on a wooly jumper, either way, the original cool web design of Ditko's would be lost on the audience(ie too small, can't vbe seen right, too big, looking like a wooly jumper, not cool looking anymore), whereas it came across well with the webbing on the Raimi suits.

 

[Dangerous]

But we were only talking about the webs on the costume when you posted up the bust, that's why I asked. edit: You just citing Hammond's costume would have saved a lot of time.

You brought it up first, before that the costume never entered my head.
Once you brought that up, I was like- 'Hey the Hammond Webs were awesome!', Heh

Not sure what you mean by change the design. I'm not into changing the shape of the webs at all, just keep them the way they are drawn in the books, the way Ditko's designed them, it's the way they are presented in live action that is the issue, so that the cool design can be seen and appreciated.

Agree.

I suggested changing the way they were drawn because aside from visibility issues, you also said they did not 'look that interesting'.

I don't think it would really, the lines would either still be indistinct , or so thick that they looked like the stitching on a wooly jumper, either way, the original cool web design of Ditko's would be lost on the audience(ie too small, can't vbe seen right, too big, looking like a wooly jumper, not cool looking anymore), whereas it came across well with the webbing on the Raimi suits.

Fair enough.

I believe a printed design could work on a new suit and look great.

 

[david icke]

You brought it up first, before that the costume never entered my head.
Once you brought that up, I was like- 'Hey the Hammond Webs were awesome!', Heh

Ok, just surprised I suppose as there are only the two live action Spider-man suits, and you never thought to reference that one.

Agree.

I suggested changing the way they were drawn because aside from visibility issues, you also said they did not 'look that interesting'.

What I meant by that was that the design looks great when done on paper with black inked lines, but when you use black thread lines on red fabric, it's not as interesting to look at because it is not as distinctive, and you can't make the design out as well.

Fair enough.

I believe a printed design could work on a new suit and look great.

I think that could look a bit cheapo, a bit like a t-shirt print or something.

 

[Dangerous]

Ok, just surprised I suppose as there are only the two live action Spider-man suits, and you never thought to reference that one.

There's way more than 2.

Aside from Raimi & Hammond there is also-

-The suit for the Toei Company's 'Spider-Man' or 'Tokusatsu' TV show from 1978-

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/7601/Spider-Man%20Japan.jpg

I liked the eyes.

-The Universal Studios costume, also used by Marvel for 'official Spider-man appearances' at events.
I REALLY wish these babies were on sale to the public. Aside from the eyes which are too close together
and not that well shaped, these suits are freaking awesome-

-Then we have this fellow from from the 'Spidey Super Stories' segments which featured on The Electric Company
TV show of the 1970's-

Plus there was an earlier version of the Universal Studios / official apps costume that Marvel used in the early
1970's for promotional purposes, It had slimmer eyes than the later day incarnation. I can't find a pic of it, but
there's many a pic of Stan with it in various Marvel and SM books.

I think that could look a bit cheapo, a bit like a t-shirt print or something.

Not if they could achieve the look of the Ross-Romita bust with a kick ass synthetically developed material.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I never insulted anyone.

I gave constructive criticism; - suggesting that you should brush up on your reading skills based on you not reading my posts properly- a statement proved above in this post of mine…. And suggested to whom I assume to be your 'friend' that he was projecting a narrow minded viewpoint in not being able to see how a film could be both dark & gritty and also feature jokes. I then explained why.

Which is more insulting;- that, or –



Which amusingly comes from the guy who says-



So you are insulting AND pathetic by your own terms.
AND you seem to have a problem in reading/understanding other people’s posts.

Good day.

No, you insulted me. You don't know me personally, so telling me to "brush up on my reading skills" isn't exactly something I'll take kindly whether you're insulting me or giveng me criticism.

I'm calling you an ass because that's EXACTLY what you were being to me. Stop turning this around.

Also, I'm NOT the one being the smart ass.

 

[Dangerous]

No, you insulted me. You don't know me personally, so telling me to "brush up on my reading skills" isn't exactly something I'll take kindly whether you're insulting me or giveng me criticism.

I'm calling you an ass because that's EXACTLY what you were being to me. Stop turning this around.

Also, I'm NOT the one being the smart ass.

Great comeback.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Now who's the smartass?

 

[Dangerous]

Not you, after you got owned that's for sure. Heheheh.

All I said was get your facts right before you 'try to be a smartass'.

Anyway, I think you and I are done now.

You've done a good enough job of making yourself look stupid without us needing to chew it over anymore.

 

[david icke]

There's way more than 2.

Aside from Raimi & Hammond there is also-

-The suit for the Toei Company's 'Spider-Man' or 'Tokusatsu' TV show from 1978-

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/7601/Spider-Man%20Japan.jpg

I liked the eyes.

-The Universal Studios costume, also used by Marvel for 'official Spider-man appearances' at events.
I REALLY wish these babies were on sale to the public. Aside from the eyes which are too close together
and not that well shaped, these suits are freaking awesome-

-Then we have this fellow from from the 'Spidey Super Stories' segments which featured on The Electric Company
TV show of the 1970's-

Plus there was an earlier version of the Universal Studios / official apps costume that Marvel used in the early
1970's for promotional purposes, It had slimmer eyes than the later day incarnation. I can't find a pic of it, but
there's many a pic of Stan with it in various Marvel and SM books.

Ah, i forgot about that Electric company show, and those Japanese(?) shows and movies, not sure if they were entirely official.
I wouldn't count the personal appearance costumes though as they are not designed to be seen onscreen.
Yeah, I do like the eye design on that top one as well.
But i think they all suffer from the same problem as the Hammond one, web-wise.

Not if they could achieve the look of the Ross-Romita bust with a kick ass synthetically developed material.

That's the thing, you seem to be wanting some magic material to show up and be the answer to having the suit just like the one you imagine in your head.
They tried out all the materials possible for the Raimi suits, and went with the best solution.
The raised webbing was meticulously designed to stretch along with the material, and not go into any weird looking shapes, to stay consistent like a comic book drawing does.
Any kind of printed application to fabric would stretch in ways that were out of control and could look weird, awful and inconsistent. Another reason I feel they went with the best solution with the Raimi suits.

 

[Dangerous]

They tried out all the materials possible for the Raimi suits, and went with the best solution.

That may have been the case (trying out all the materials that were available), but instead of raised webbing they should have opted for a printed design.

The raised webbing was meticulously designed to stretch along with the material, and not go into any weird looking shapes, to stay consistent like a comic book drawing does.

It looked whack, and nothing like the comicbook.

Any kind of printed application to fabric would stretch in ways that were out of control and could look weird, awful and inconsistent.

That's funny, I don't see ANY of those symptoms on any of the suits I just posted pics of.

 

[david icke]

That may have been the case (trying out all the materials that were available), but instead of raised webbing they should have opted for a printed design.



It looked whack, and nothing like the comicbook.

Lots of people disagree, and feel it's the best way of representing the great design without it being lost in a red sock with black stitching, the red is overwhelming in the design when you try to reproduce the comic costume, red is one of those colours, it attracts your eyes away, especially from a negative colour like black, that is nowhere near as thickly represented in the costume.

That's funny, I don't see ANY of those symptoms on any of the suits I just posted pics of.

That's because those are fabric made webs, which have a different kind of problem. That response to was to your response to my problem with your 'printed webs' idea. I was talking about printed webs being stretched out into weird shapes.
All of those outfits suffer from the same red sock problem as the Hammond suit, as I said.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Not you, after you got owned that's for sure. Heheheh.

Oh, yeah, I got owned.

If I got owned, then you REALLY suck at it.

 

[Dangerous]

Lots of people disagree, and feel it's the best way of representing the great design without it being lost in a red sock with black stitching, the red is overwhelming in the design when you try to reproduce the comic costume, red is one of those colours, it attracts your eyes away, especially from a negative colour like black, that is nowhere near as thickly represented in the costume.

If they had printed the webbing onto the suit so that the webs were as thick as the raised webbing without it actually being raised / stuck on, it still would have stopping the red overpowering the costume, but also gave a more faithful reproduction.

That's because those are fabric made webs, which have a different kind of problem. That response to was to your response to my problem with your 'printed webs' idea. I was talking about printed webs being stretched out into weird shapes.

And none of those fabric suits suffer from-

1- The fabric 'stretch(ing) in ways that were out of control'
2- Or making the webs look 'weird, awful and inconsistent'

 

[david icke]

If they had printed the webbing onto the suit so that the webs were as thick as the raised webbing without it actually being raised / stuck on, it still would have stopping the red overpowering the costume, but also gave a more faithful reproduction.

Yes, but printed on webs would stretch into weird shapes, and look inconsistent , unlike the comic's costume.

And none of those fabric suits suffer from-

1- The fabric 'stretch(ing) in ways that were out of control'
2- Or making the webs look 'weird, awful and inconsistent'

I already said , that problem would be with the printed on webs, not the fabrics with black stitching.

lol, you are getting confused, there are different problems with the different approaches.

Printed on webs = problem with the webs being stretched out into weird shapes that are not consistent, and therefore not like the comic costume, looking bad as a result.

Red Fabric with stitched in black webbing(Hammond style) = The red fabric is overpowering to the extent that the black webbing design is indistinct and therefore carries none of the power of the original design, making him look like he is in a big red sock.

Raimi design = solves both these problems, by being designed to go along with any stretching the fabric makes, meaning consistent shapes, and is always noticable despite thick bright red fabric , due to it's more solid, reflective nature.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't think it's a good idea to ever use the Japanese Spidey or "The Electric Company" as examples to support your argument. That's like the fans on the Bat-boards who want to see the grey tights using Adam West as their example.