Who else liked 'Batman & Robin' for what it was?

[Superwoman Prime]

I went to Amazon.com earlier today and found that most reviewers of the new DVD hated it. There are a few however, who did think it was a fun movie that was entertaining. And I know that most, if not all of you on this forum hate it, but who else, besides myself, actually liked this movie for what it was? As a stand-alone movie seperate from the comics?

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I went to Amazon.com earlier today and found that most reviewers of the new DVD hated it. There are a few however, who did think it was a fun movie that was entertaining. And I know that most, if not all of you on this forum hate it, but who else, besides myself, actually liked this movie for what it was? As a stand-alone movie seperate from the comics?

That's an odd phrase in your final sentence. B&R is no more or less 'stand-alone' from the comics than any other Batman movie. It's just as faithful to the comics as any other Batman movie.

I myself hated it until 2003 or so. Until Begins was announced it looked like B&R would be the final word on the Batman movies, which truly would be awful.

In the light of Begins, I can look at B&R and find it amusing with great visuals in some places (and horrible visuals in others). In some still frames, B&R looks like a cool film. The pacing, I have to say, is very good. I also like the cinematography, the Batcave has never looked better. And the scene of Freeze with the ice-sculpture of his wife is touching.

Erm.....that's it with the plaudits. It's still a lame film.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

I dont consider any of the Batman films a part of the comics. I view them as seperate interpretations of the character.

Batman and Robin, to me, was a revisiting of the goofy exploits of the silver age exploits in movie format.

 

[xxshady]

I dont really get why so many people hate it that much? IMO it was better than Batman Forever, some of the visuals were great, Mr. Freeze had a good character story but the cheesy puns made him look too campy. Poison Ivy was a psychotic plant lover, no harm there >__>

The only thing i was really mad about was George Clooney... but then again it gave a funnier look to Batman since he made more jokes, which i sort of enjoyed.

Anyways Batman Forever's villains were even cheesier... they acted like a bunch of immmature kids most of the time... what was up with that?

 

[The Chairman]

If you look at Batman & Robin as an actual serious Batman movie (like B89, Returns & Begins), then yes it's terrible.

However, I feel you look at it as a spoof of sorts, like Airplane! or Spaceballs, it actually becomes really enjoyable. Try not take it seriously and it beco0mes quite funny and entertaining.

I also rank it ahead of Forever because the mood was consistantly campy throughout the film, whereas Forever kept alternating between camp and an attempt at a serious Batman film, which is what killed it IMO.

 

[BatScot]

There is no amount of spin or reinterpretation that can make B&R any less horrible than what it was.

 

[El Payaso]

No perspective can make this movie any better, sorry.

 

[CConn]

I often say it's a horrible film made by talented people. It's amazing, really. Schumacher - everyone admits - is a good director, Akiva Goldsman (the writer) has been nominated for academy awards, and of course the cast was filled with A-List actors. It's as if they all just decided to make a completely dreadful film.

 

[El Payaso]

I often say it's a horrible film made by talented people. It's amazing, really. Schumacher - everyone admits - is a good director, Akiva Goldsman (the writer) has been nominated for academy awards, and of course the cast was filled with A-List actors. It's as if they all just decided to make a completely dreadful film.

Dunno. Schumacher a good director? I mean, popular, successful. But good? I don't think so. Akiva Goldsman is not that good, the fact that he was nominated for an Oscar could be a proof of that. A-list actors; Clooney has had great roles but some poor ones too, Schwarzenegger has no idea of acting even when I like him in many movies, Uma Thurman was the best actress involved (but was utterly bad in B&R) and Silverstone and O'Donell... well...

 

[CConn]

I'm sorry...you lost me at your custom title.

 

[Two-Face]

No I hate this film it looked 60s Batman show was back in the name of Schumacher, the story was ****e the cast acted badly ( least actors in 60s show were the characters) apart from Michael Gough who was great as Alfred.. It was copy of Batman Forever and different things were villains and new Batman actor, other that it was same ****e was onscreen.

 

[Sloth7d]

Reguardless of other opinions, I thoght Batman and Robin was a good movie.
Not the best, but there are several worse.

 

[Joker]

it was awful, and quite possibly not only the worst interpretation of batman ever, but a serious contender for worst adaptation of any comic ever

 

[raybia]

I went to Amazon.com earlier today and found that most reviewers of the new DVD hated it. There are a few however, who did think it was a fun movie that was entertaining. And I know that most, if not all of you on this forum hate it, but who else, besides myself, actually liked this movie for what it was? As a stand-alone movie seperate from the comics?

You sick perverted ****

 

[Eros]

the probaly with Batman and Robin, is that it was trying ot be a good movie. The movie was not a parady of anything, it was trying to be a good Batman movie lol. Instead we got that, and thats all i can say about the movie. The general public was smart enough to to go see it, and ofcourse it nearly destroyed Batmans image once again.

 

[Speedball]

The first time I saw this film, I was 11.
I LOVED it. I didn't see it as bad, I just saw it as a Batman movie.
When I watch it today, I can sit through it, but I laugh pretty much the whole time. It's not terribly bad, bad, but defiantly not the worst film. Clooney would have made a great Batman, and Uma as Ivy was a good casting decision. It's just everything fell apart because of the WB being greedy moneymongers at the time.
Schumacher is an amzing director. I saw Falling Down the other day for the first time and was completely blown away. From what I've seen, his films are dark and gritty, and very well done.

 

[ReptileOrion]

Over the past week I have finally gotten around to watching Batman Forever and B&R with director's commentary. I truly despise Joel Schumacher now. I got so sick and tired of him saying that I wanted to make the movie more family friendly. I can tolerate Batman Forever but any Bat-fan (you know what kind of fans I'm talking about...haha) who likes B&R should be ashamed of themselves. It was truly an updated version of the 60s tv series. George Clooney was a horrible Batman, Chris O'Donnell was worse this time around as Robin, and Arnold was a horrible Mr. Freeze. In many ways B&R is Batman Forever redux. I could go on for hours and hours about this film. I think I may attempt to watch some of the special features on B&R. I think I need to digest it in small doses....lol.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

Over the past week I have finally gotten around to watching Batman Forever and B&R with director's commentary. I truly despise Joel Schumacher now. I got so sick and tired of him saying that I wanted to make the movie more family friendly. I can tolerate Batman Forever but any Bat-fan (you know what kind of fans I'm talking about...haha) who likes B&R should be ashamed of themselves. It was truly an updated version of the 60s tv series. George Clooney was a horrible Batman, Chris O'Donnell was worse this time around as Robin, and Arnold was a horrible Mr. Freeze. In many ways B&R is Batman Forever redux. I could go on for hours and hours about this film. I think I may attempt to watch some of the special features on B&R. I think I need to digest it in small doses....lol.

If you're saying that B&R was an updated version of the 60's Batman, which i also think as well, and that any bat fan should be ashamed if they like it, then, should any bat fan be ashamed of liking the 60's series?

 

[Joker]

because unlike Batman and Robin, the 60's series didnt take itself seriously

 

[elorenishii386]

B&R was a bad take on Batman...and the worst one in the series. It was very corney...but i do have to admit that it is entertaining. When it comes on t.v. I do watch it and laugh at how corny it was...
and i do agree that some of the visuals were nice like Mr. freeze's wife as the ice sculpture,
and I do have a major crush on George Clooney...even though he looked aweful in the suit.

 

[ReptileOrion]

If you're saying that B&R was an updated version of the 60's Batman, which i also think as well, and that any bat fan should be ashamed if they like it, then, should any bat fan be ashamed of liking the 60's series?

That brings up an interesting point. A lot of people have seen the tv series over the years. The people that I worry about are the ones who just like the tv series. The only redeeming quality about it was that it kept Batman in the public eye and also kept the comic from being cancelled (?). The 60s TV series was repetitve and boring. I just hate that the show made a mockery of the character. I guess if someone truly digs that then they are not a true fan.

 

[Spiderman3]

the spiderman tv movie was cool though!!!!!
as was hulk!!!!!

 

[Joker]

That brings up an interesting point. A lot of people have seen the tv series over the years. The people that I worry about are the ones who just like the tv series. The only redeeming quality about it was that it kept Batman in the public eye and also kept the comic from being cancelled (?). The 60s TV series was repetitve and boring. I just hate that the show made a mockery of the character. I guess if someone truly digs that then they are not a true fan.

the 60's series was brilliant in that it WAS supposed to be a pardoy of the character. in the 50's Batman had been dumbed down horribly, and was turning into a parody of itself all on its own. The 60's tv series people got that, and took everything to the nth degree, pushing it even more over the top, having batman be even more straight faced than he was in the comics, having the villains become even more ludicrous than they already were (seriously, in the comics every joker story seemed to be him robbing things to spell out his name or other lame gimmicks at this point). It pushed Batman back into the public eye, as you said, and was able to make a funny spoof of the entire super hero genre at the same time. Peoples mistake in judging this show today is they seem to think it was meant as a serious attempt at batman, which it never was supposed to be. It was a campy parody, unlike Batman and Robin, which was them actually trying to make a good batman movie, not a parody or spoof.

 

[Joker]

the spiderman tv movie was cool though!!!!!
as was hulk!!!!!

Spiderman was f**kin awful, but Hulk was great because of Bill Bixby, a very under-rated actor

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

That brings up an interesting point. A lot of people have seen the tv series over the years. The people that I worry about are the ones who just like the tv series. The only redeeming quality about it was that it kept Batman in the public eye and also kept the comic from being cancelled (?). The 60s TV series was repetitve and boring. I just hate that the show made a mockery of the character. I guess if someone truly digs that then they are not a true fan.

But it did translate the current state of the comic books of that time. From the mid 50's to mid 60's it was goofy sci fi stories, bad puns, and corny villains. This is comic book history of Batman, it is a part of the lore. If someone doesnt like it, thats fine, i dont like the "camp" that was the 60's show. I dont like the "camp" that was B&R. However, a true fan of the character will acknowledge this era of Batman history regardless if they liked it or not because it was part of the evolution of the character. See, my worry is the opposite of yours. Im concerned about these supposed "new" true fans who suddenly emerged during the Batman Begins hype. They seem to know almost nothing about the long history of the character, they feel that Year One and Long Halloween/Dark Victory is the end all of Batman origins. There is absolutely no appreciation for the comic book history that came 60 years before it.