Who else liked 'Batman & Robin' for what it was?

[Vile]

Batman and Robin should have died on the drawing board, so to speak.

I don't care if it 'represented the 50-60's era Batman' well...

It should have never have been made, period. It destroyed a franchise, for Christ's sake! but we're suppose to take comfort in that it represented an era? No thanks.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

It didnt destroy a franchise. Batman Begins was made wasnt it? There is a sequel being made isnt there? One movie isnt going to kill a licensing giant. It still made money and thats all studios care about. My point is that a majority seem to insult and disregard a very prominent era in Batmans history. And these people critisize others who do accept and respect the entire 60 plus year history of Batman.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

the 60's series was brilliant in that it WAS supposed to be a pardoy of the character. in the 50's Batman had been dumbed down horribly, and was turning into a parody of itself all on its own. The 60's tv series people got that, and took everything to the nth degree, pushing it even more over the top, having batman be even more straight faced than he was in the comics, having the villains become even more ludicrous than they already were (seriously, in the comics every joker story seemed to be him robbing things to spell out his name or other lame gimmicks at this point). It pushed Batman back into the public eye, as you said, and was able to make a funny spoof of the entire super hero genre at the same time. Peoples mistake in judging this show today is they seem to think it was meant as a serious attempt at batman, which it never was supposed to be. It was a campy parody, unlike Batman and Robin, which was them actually trying to make a good batman movie, not a parody or spoof.

Well said.

The 60's Batman was a genuinely well made television show. Its surfed the line between over-serious and ridiculous in a way that no other TV show has ever managed. Yes, it's camp, and some people don't like camp, but it is surely the best piece of camp ever and it deserves respect for that. Camp is hard to get right, as Batman & Robin illustrates.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

But it did translate the current state of the comic books of that time. From the mid 50's to mid 60's it was goofy sci fi stories, bad puns, and corny villains. This is comic book history of Batman, it is a part of the lore. If someone doesnt like it, thats fine, i dont like the "camp" that was the 60's show. I dont like the "camp" that was B&R. However, a true fan of the character will acknowledge this era of Batman history regardless if they liked it or not because it was part of the evolution of the character. See, my worry is the opposite of yours. Im concerned about these supposed "new" true fans who suddenly emerged during the Batman Begins hype. They seem to know almost nothing about the long history of the character, they feel that Year One and Long Halloween/Dark Victory is the end all of Batman origins. There is absolutely no appreciation for the comic book history that came 60 years before it.

My sentiments exactly. Once upon a time, this is how it was....this is fifty years before Batman & Robin...

 

[El Payaso]

Batman and Robin should have died on the drawing board, so to speak.

I don't care if it 'represented the 50-60's era Batman' well...

It should have never have been made, period. It destroyed a franchise, for Christ's sake! but we're suppose to take comfort in that it represented an era? No thanks.

^ Absolutely what this guy said.

 

[CLARKY]

I went to Amazon.com earlier today and found that most reviewers of the new DVD hated it. There are a few however, who did think it was a fun movie that was entertaining. And I know that most, if not all of you on this forum hate it, but who else, besides myself, actually liked this movie for what it was? As a stand-alone movie seperate from the comics?

I liked it ... for what it was.
but personally :

I dont consider any of the Batman films a part of the comics. I view them as seperate interpretations of the character.

Batman and Robin, to me, was a revisiting of the goofy exploits of the silver age exploits in movie format.

^^ my thoughts exactly.

 

[tinister]

I think "Batman & Robin" didn't work for me because it tried to be both the new and the old. It tried to keep the dark "serious" mood of the modern Dark Knight - but then tossed in the goofy - don't take any of this seriously - attitude of the 50s/60s.

IMO - any time you try to do that - you're asking for trouble. Unless you get the exact right balance between OLD/NEW. A balance that doesn't cause one side to dominate the other - or result in the two aspects cancelling each other out. In the case of B&R - I think it was the later.

"Batman Returns" was a much more successful balance between the old and the new.

Again - IMHO.

Tin

 

[ReptileOrion]

But it did translate the current state of the comic books of that time. From the mid 50's to mid 60's it was goofy sci fi stories, bad puns, and corny villains. This is comic book history of Batman, it is a part of the lore. If someone doesnt like it, thats fine, i dont like the "camp" that was the 60's show. I dont like the "camp" that was B&R. However, a true fan of the character will acknowledge this era of Batman history regardless if they liked it or not because it was part of the evolution of the character. See, my worry is the opposite of yours. Im concerned about these supposed "new" true fans who suddenly emerged during the Batman Begins hype. They seem to know almost nothing about the long history of the character, they feel that Year One and Long Halloween/Dark Victory is the end all of Batman origins. There is absolutely no appreciation for the comic book history that came 60 years before it.

Great post....I accept that part of Batman's history. I agree a true fan needs to know the full picture. I just don't have a desire to read many of the stories from that period. I never thought about the fan kind of jumped on the bandwagon and are only familiar with the Long Halloween, Year One, and Dark Victory. When I first started reading Batman comics the first big storyline was Knightfall. I was familiar with the animated series and that is what made me want to get into the comics. I tried to expand my horizons by reading many different stories from over the years.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

This was 50 years before Batman & Robin....notice the ice skates.

 

[Vile]

It didnt destroy a franchise. Batman Begins was made wasnt it? There is a sequel being made isnt there? One movie isnt going to kill a licensing giant. It still made money and thats all studios care about. My point is that a majority seem to insult and disregard a very prominent era in Batmans history. And these people critisize others who do accept and respect the entire 60 plus year history of Batman.

We waited...what? 12 years for Begins? Like I said, it destroyed a franchise.

Luckily Nolan has come along and peiced it all back together again. But it was still dead, and thanks to Batman and Robin.

Prominent era or not, it should still never have been made and in my opinion should not be valued in that respect. I see it as a cop-out; a way for an otherwise worthless movie to have atleast SOME worth just because the name 'Batman' is attached.

The 60's was a horrible time for comic books. Is it still a large part of Batman? Yes. Do I need to see ANY of it made into a movie? HELL NO.

 

[ReptileOrion]

Maybe we all look at Batman and Robin as a comedy...lol.

Lines like "Hey Freeze, the heat is on"

"Hi Freeze, I'm Batman"

"This is why Superman works alone"

and the scene when Bats whips out the Batman logo credit card are sooooo bad that its funny.

 

[Bat-God]

Like many have already said in this thread, Batman and Robin, to ME, was like a modern day 60's Batman.


Just goofy and campy and funny. I like it for that.

 

[Proximo]

I like to watch B&R from time to time, Its not my favorite movie of them all.. But i enjoy watching them just like all the other Bat movies.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

We waited...what? 12 years for Begins? Like I said, it destroyed a franchise.

12 years? Batman & Robin was released in 1997, Begins in 2005.

 

[Vile]

Indeed - I was attempting to make light of my point. Ie: An absurd amount of time.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Of all the camp, Batman & Robin never partook of this level of campiness:

 

[batmaluco]

B&R was a masterpiece of:

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

It's still a lame film.

Indeed,i now only like it for the music and camera angles.

 

[Vile]

All of which can be found in Batman Forever, oddly enough.

 

[Bat Attack]

I hated every frame of Batman & Robin.

 

[I Am The Knight]

It's a horrible horrible movie. It should have never seen the light of day. I don't care if it's 60's Batman, we don't need to see that again.

 

[Bat Attack]

Thank goodness we never had to endure this...

(Manip by me )

 

[Vile]

*Shudders*

 

[ReptileOrion]

I find it ironic throughout the special features on the Batman and Robin DVD that everyone seems to be apologizing for the film. Poor Clooney sounds clueless on the character in his interview. Everyone kept saying that he played a great Bruce Wayne. That is not necessarily a compliment when the movie is called Batman and Robin.

 

[El Payaso]

^ Ironic? It's perfectly natural.