The Dark Knight Rises Who here wants the Ventriloquist and Scarface?

[Cunning Stunts]

I threw this together with my pick

The dummy's character isn't based off of Al Pacino's Tony Montana, it's based off of Al Capone... The actual Scarface.

 

[BatScot]

The dummy's character isn't based off of Al Pacino's Tony Montana, it's based off of Al Capone... The actual Scarface.

True, but the puppet in this manip IS based on Al Pacino's Tony Montana... the more recent Scarface:

... and it's a nice update to the original, in my opinion.

Of course, it's just a manip pun—Warner Bros. is not likely to pay for the rights to use Pacino's likeness or Universal's copyright.

 

[CaptainGenerica]

I'm a fan of the character and all, but I think the time for mobster-style villains is past. Bring on the freaks.

 

[BatScot]

How is he not a freak?

 

[Rodrigo90]

The ventriloquist is a freak. He has his hand up a puppets ass and takes subtle gratification when he uses it talk to him like dogcrap!!!

 

[BatScot]

Well yeah, when you put it like that... LOL!

 

[Cunning Stunts]

True, but the puppet in this manip IS based on Al Pacino's Tony Montana... the more recent Scarface:

Nobody contested that. Thanks for trying.

 

[BatScot]

Nobody contested that. Thanks for trying.

My bad, I didn't realize you were posting just for the sake of posting something that is otherwise obvious to anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the character’s origin. But Eddie Nashton never claimed with his manip that Tony Montana was the original inspiration for the Scarface puppet anymore than I suggested the original was not based on Al Capone... though of course the original Scarface puppet was not actually based on Al Capone himself but Paul Muni’s version of Al Capone, but I’m sure someone as knowledgeable as yourself was aware of that

 

[Cunning Stunts]

My bad, I didn't realize you were posting just for the sake of posting something that is otherwise obvious to anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the character’s origin. But Eddie Nashton never claimed with his manip that Tony Montana was the original inspiration for the Scarface puppet anymore than I suggested the original was not based on Al Capone... though of course the original Scarface puppet was not actually based on Al Capone himself but Paul Muni’s version of Al Capone, but I’m sure someone as knowledgeable as yourself was aware of that

For one: No, I was simply stating that because I didn't think Eddie Nashton knew that. I wasn't being a dick, I wasn't trying to be all-knowing. I was just posting for the sake of discussion. You know, like the boards are meant for?

For two: To be honest, I didn't even know who Paul Muni was until I'd just looked him up, but I am aware of the fact that the puppet was based on the fictionalized version of Al Capone. Thanks for being a condescending jackass about it though. You forum police make this board great.

 

[BatScot]

For one: No, I was simply stating that because I didn't think Eddie Nashton knew that.

I don’t think Eddie gives a sh*t; his only interest was creating a manip with a more contemporary twist.

I wasn't being a dick...

Well there's a first!

I wasn't trying to be all-knowing.

Obviously.

I was just posting for the sake of discussion. You know, like the boards are meant for?

That's what I thought also so I took up the discussion. Hell, I even agreed with you (in principal, that is) and thereafter spoke only of the manip and my appreciation of the in-joke... which for some reason caused you to get your knickers all in a bunch.

For two: To be honest, I didn't even know who Paul Muni was until I'd just looked him up, but I am aware of the fact that the puppet was based on the fictionalized version of Al Capone.

But what you said was:

"The dummy's character isn't based off of Al Pacino's Tony Montana, it's based off of Al Capone... The actual Scarface."​

So in your original post you went to the trouble to capitalize ‘The’ and italicize ‘actual’ thereby suggesting a reference to The actual Scarface/Al Capone but now you say what you ‘actually’ meant was the fictionalized version of Al Capone... oh, never mind—you'll just accuse me of semantics, or not deciphering your meaning properly, or put some other sort of spin on it.

But let’s not loose sight of what’s important here... you learned something new today!

Thanks for being a condescending jackass about it though.

Oh stop it will you, this sort of flattery just embarrasses me.

You forum police make this board great.

DO I LOOK LIKE A COP!

Look you’ve left a few doors wide open for me, so...

DO I LOOK LIKE A COP!

No you look like a condescending, arrogant, sumb*tch... blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... taking things out of context... blah, blah, blah... for one I was simply stating... blah, blah.. blah, blah.. blah, blah.

Rather predictable really, but feel free to elaborate if you must... I understand that you have to try something

 

[ALittlePush]

I'm not a big fan of ventriloquist and scarface so it wouldn't bother me whether or not they appeared in the films. However, if they were to appear I think Stephen Tobolowsky could play ventriloquist.

 

[Rodrigo90]

John Malkovich

 

[DACMAN]

Who will be the next villain? I've read hundreds of answers and hundreds of arguements. But there is one villain no one has talked about and I think he'd be perfect for Nolan's dark and realistic take on the Dark Knight. Not to mention I think he is the one Bat-villain that is as good as the Joker himself. Watch and see...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUx_ReNg-1A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlPORaDaU00

Spoiler

 

[ModestMr.Green]

Before The Dark Knight was released, I figured the next film would be a struggle for control of the mob between factions led by the newly turned Two-Face, Black Mask, and The Ventriloquist. (Played by Paul Giamatti.)

 

[LightningFlash]

That made me laugh.

That would be a stupid villain for Nolan's "realistic" universe, imo. Some guy carrying around a dummy.

Didn't Jeff Dunham play him in Dinner For Schmucks?

 

[Boom]

As a main villain? No.

But I'd be all for the Ventriloquist and Scarface in a minor role as a mob boss, much like Maroni in TDK.

 

[DACMAN]

That made me laugh.

That would be a stupid villain for Nolan's "realistic" universe, imo. Some guy carrying around a dummy.

Didn't Jeff Dunham play him in Dinner For Schmucks?

You can make any villain sound dumb. Like a ninja that stole a high tech device that will turn water into steam so people can breath in a fear gas. Or a doctor that dresses up like a scarecrow. Or a crook that puts on clown makeup. The point is they aren't stupid when you actually see them because there is a dark spin to it. It isn't simply a guy "carrying around a dummy," any more than it is simply "a guy in clown makeup." If you can't understand that you don't understand Batman villains.

 

[LightningFlash]

Edit: Double post.

 

[LightningFlash]

It is just a guy carrying a dummy though.

What kind of actual mental state can they say he has that he'll do such a thing?

A terrorist group that derived from way back in the day that would destroy any city that is decaying, to a sociopathic doctor who tests his experiments on his patients while wearing a scarecrow mask to further scare the **** out of his patients, to a killer clown and to a man with an effed-up face are not "dumb" literations of the classic villains.

A man with a personality in his own dummy is still dumb, imo. And that's why he's not even in Arkham Asylum, but only the dummy. Because the character is useless even in a game. And why he won't be in the sequel, lol.

 

[Boom]

The Ventriloquist is in AA. You unlock his character bio when you find the tommy gun. But if you mean physical appearance, well, alot of major villains didn't. Two Face wasn't physically in the game. Does that mean he's useless?

You need to read up more on these two if you honestly think they're lame. Together they are one of Batman's more interesting and psychologically complex villains. Just because it's a man carrying around a ventriloquist doll hardly makes him lame. Not every villain has to look cool. Look beyond appearances.

 

[LightningFlash]

To a comic book, yes, he can be a pretty cool villain.

But, as in the Nolanverse, he's not realistic enough, even with the standards of a "killer clown with zero empathy". He's a man carrying a dummy that would feel like Nolan is pulling a Schumacher with featuring a laughable villain, in which the third Batman does not need. The Riddler will fit, and so can Black Mask, Deadshot, Hush, or even a more "evolved" Penquin, but the other villains, no; they can't work with Nolan's series, and that's how I feel. Those certain villains are "lame" for Nolan's trilogy.

 

[LightningFlash]

And....Two-Face is in the sequel.

Just saying; so no, he's not a useless character. At all.

Joker holding the dummy was as useful he can be by the way, lol.

 

[BlueLightning]

I like Ventriloquist and Scarface, but I don't think it would be suitable for movies, maybe as a minor character, but that's it.

 

[Spiderine]

The only way I would except that is if he was some delusional patient at Arkam. After all that does exists in Nolan's world and as we all know many of Batman's villains suffer from insanity. However as a mob boss....no thanks.

 

[Doctor Who]

I like Ventriloquist and Scarface, but I don't think it would be suitable for movies, maybe as a minor character, but that's it.

Same here; perhaps maybe in Arkham as a cameo. Scarface just about to me made, but temporarily using the classic sock puppet.