Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Who is the clairvoyant.

[TheHeatKitchen]

I'd still believe that

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Arnim is the Claivoyant

Makes sense to me that,

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like Ultron, I'm SURE he had another way out of that Bank of computers since he had internet down there

Yes! Exactly! My friends couldn't grasp that concept. He kept saying

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Pierce said Zola was dead, so he's dead. No, he's basically a computer program. He's sentient data, just 1's and 0's. All data goes somewhere. You can't tell me he's gone for good. He's exactly like Ultron in that regard.

As for the Clairvoyant part,
I'm 100% convinced that Zola is 'The Clairvoyant' while the characters responsible for passing his information on (Garrett, Ward, Pierce, Po, Quinn, Raina, whoever) were just data handlers. Just because they knew the information doesn't mean they were The Clairvoyant. Zola's characterization and abilities in CATWS were EXACTLY what The Clairvoyant was said to be able to to in AOS.

 

[Vartha]

Yes! Exactly! My friends couldn't grasp that concept. He kept saying

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Pierce said Zola was dead, so he's dead. No, he's basically a computer program. He's sentient data, just 1's and 0's. All data goes somewhere. You can't tell me he's gone for good. He's exactly like Ultron in that regard.

As for the Clairvoyant part,
I'm 100% convinced that Zola is 'The Clairvoyant' while the characters responsible for passing his information on (Garrett, Ward, Pierce, Po, Quinn, Raina, whoever) were just data handlers. Just because they knew the information doesn't mean they were The Clairvoyant. Zola's characterization and abilities in CATWS were EXACTLY what The Clairvoyant was said to be able to to in AOS.

Yeah I agree with that too Kitchen.

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Zola himself even said he was dieing to Steve and Widow

It shouldn't be a surprise that he's still out there.

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I'm sure that Algorithm predicted certain actions too so Arnim had planned way in advance

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

Yeah I agree with that too Kitchen.

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Zola himself even said he was dieing to Steve and Widow

It shouldn't be a surprise that he's still out there.

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I'm sure that Algorithm predicted certain actions too so Arnim had planned way in advance

I would love to see him in the season finale. I mean, they only need Toby Jones to do voice-over, which would take a whopping 3 hours. They can just use the same screen work from CATWS. Have the finale be something like Zola finally learning what happened to Coulson, how he came back to life and HYDRA scientists building him a mobile suit.

Just brainstorming here. I just know it would be VERY easy and inexpensive to have him as a recurring character in AOS.

 

[Mike Murdock]

My take on it is this: the person calling the shots (who was described as the Clairvoyant) is John Garrett. He certainly has bosses, though, and he may very well be relying on the equation to help him. On the other hand, what was there that actually needed an equation? The ones that I remembered surprising me were the ones about Coulson's personal life, but that's obviously not that big a deal anymore. Presumably, Garrett knew, but, even if he didn't, Coulson did just tell Ward the exact same thing.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

No wait, it's a Twilight Zone thing... Sitwell is The Claivoyant.

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Well, was. He had to know how Coulson came back so he could share it with Bob and his HYDRA buddies because he saw his own death in CATWS. He knew he couldn't stop it from happening so he was trying to save himself in advance.

.... weird....

 

[Vartha]

I wonder if LMDs were used yet and we just haven't spotted the clues?

 

[Jasyn]

I don't buy that we're done with this yet, either.

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At best, Agent John Garrett the mastermind ... the Clairvoyant / Centipede program controller ... the AOS season 1 ultimate puppet master ... would just be unsatisfying at best and I love what Paxton has done with the character!

My money's also still on [BLACKOUT]ZOLA[/BLACKOUT]. And I think the quickness that the show put out all of that directness in interviews immediately after Ep17 may just be classic misdirection, so they can shock us again with Ward in the final 5 episodes. CAN"T WAIT!!! BRING IT!!!

 

[ericadawn16]

Let's also not forget how even Black Widow emphasized the importance of BACK-UPS during that first battle. That's the first rule of using a computer...why else have easily accessible USB ports?

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Garrett as the Clairvoyant makes little sense to me - what does he gain from finding the truth about Coulson? Aside from being an asset to HYDRA?

No, he's a pawn in the game, albeit a major player. The fact that Paxton's run is almost over also points to that

 

[AquamanOS]

The Clairvoyant IS Hydra though. A single person Clairvoyant was just a red herring to give a name to the bad guy because the show runners couldn't mention Hydra outside of its actions in the past/someone to throw SHIELD off their trail.

There is no one person as the Clairvoyant. It's probably an organization of Hydra guys.

What did they gain by investigating Coulson? They would have learned how to cure death, and the only reason they didn't was because the only vial of GH was taken, and promptly given to Skye (note that if Coulson had been quick enough to stop them giving it to her Garret could have snuck it out) and because the place was destroyed afterwards.

Garret may not be the final bad guy of the season but he was the direct Clairvoyant thus far and his role has been played. They know who the real bad guy is now. Not some psychic. Not even a corrupt SHIELD higher up. But Hydra the organization.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Yeah, I think HYDRA as the Clairvoyant makes sense, making use of the assets at their disposal rather than a big cheese in charge of it all

 

[hopeless]

The drug is only half of what the Clairvoyant is looking for.

Remember that doctor, Coulson met in the pilot and then confronted after Tahiti?

All those operations done to fix Coulson and the Clairvoyant didn't even have any information on what was used and who performed the various operations... until then.

Now the Clairvoyant has one successful super soldier (Mike) who he has been apparently turning into a cyborg for some reason... maybe this could be seen as Nash searching for a way to restore himself with the best possible chance of survival?

Everyone here is saying he's Hydra, but seriously why did they have Po freed if they were already in contact?

If Nash is Modok before he becomes Modok then everything seen so far has been his plan to first make it look like he's dead and establish everything he needs to become Modok... that would include Ward as one of his agents.

Look at how Mike is behaving, now tell me that doesn't resemble Ward's behaviour?

I'd still agree that he would side with Garrett over Hand especially after she gave him the chance to kill his former SO because that is so wrong so I'm left wondering have we heard the last of the Clairvoyant?

I think not.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Ward

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is simply a Double Agent infiltrating Hydra to see how deep it goes. Coulson & Hand briefly question that, before she notion at Garret and Coulson briefy & secretly pulling Ward to the side. I don't think Hand is dead, only made to look like Ward had switched. Ward never said, "Hail Hydra" after said event...he just nodded, keeping his emotions intact.

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while Skye is controlling the situation, gaining everyone's trust and now a Shield Agent...she directs Fitz to cut the direct line to Fury, Coulson comfy his suspension to her about the Clairvoyant, as well, the GH formula & secret "Pact" they made to each other, got Ward as her bodyguard, she is the only computer expert, always sending messages on her phone <hint hint>, has classified intel on team members(Coulson father being killed, being a dramatic experience for him), downloaded a back-up to the secrets they have collected, and supposenly, decoded the "out of the shadow, into the light, HYDRA, all in "plain site"...how convenient. She is an "UNKNOWN ENTITY" a class 0.8.4

I can go on....

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Ward

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is simply a Double Agent infiltrating Hydra to see how deep it goes. Coulson & Hand briefly question that, before she notion at Garret and Coulson briefy & secretly pulling Ward to the side. I don't think Hand is dead, only made to look like Ward had switched. Ward never said, "Hail Hydra" after said event...he just nodded, keeping his emotions intact.

Meanwhile,

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while Skye is controlling the situation, gaining everyone's trust and now a Shield Agent...she directs Fitz to cut the direct line to Fury, Coulson comfy his suspension to her about the Clairvoyant, as well, the GH formula & secret "Pact" they made to each other, got Ward as her bodyguard, she is the only computer expert, always sending messages on her phone <hint hint>, has classified intel on team members(Coulson father being killed, being a dramatic experience for him), downloaded a back-up to the secrets they have collected, and supposenly, decoded the "out of the shadow, into the light, HYDRA, all in "plain site"...how convenient. She is an "UNKNOWN ENTITY" a class 0.8.4

I can go on....

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What about Skye getting shot? That was one hell of a risk to play if she did that just to learn how Coulson came back to life

 

[Venom'sDad]

It's great being a "Clairvoyant"

 

[cherokeesam]

The Clairvoyant IS Hydra though. A single person Clairvoyant was just a red herring to give a name to the bad guy because the show runners couldn't mention Hydra outside of its actions in the past/someone to throw SHIELD off their trail.

There is no one person as the Clairvoyant. It's probably an organization of Hydra guys.

What did they gain by investigating Coulson? They would have learned how to cure death, and the only reason they didn't was because the only vial of GH was taken, and promptly given to Skye (note that if Coulson had been quick enough to stop them giving it to her Garret could have snuck it out) and because the place was destroyed afterwards.

Garret may not be the final bad guy of the season but he was the direct Clairvoyant thus far and his role has been played. They know who the real bad guy is now. Not some psychic. Not even a corrupt SHIELD higher up. But Hydra the organization.

Nah, I don't buy the "generic Clairvoyant(s)" theory, either. It's nice to get metaphorical and all, but The Clairvoyant is definitely a singular entity. Po and Raina speak on the phone to a specific entity; a specific entity communicates via computer to Deathlok, and to the AOS. That's not some HYDRA groupmind at work. HYDRA is a hierarchy, not a democracy.

 

[Loki882]

Ward

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is simply a Double Agent infiltrating Hydra to see how deep it goes. Coulson & Hand briefly question that, before she notion at Garret and Coulson briefy & secretly pulling Ward to the side. I don't think Hand is dead, only made to look like Ward had switched. Ward never said, "Hail Hydra" after said event...he just nodded, keeping his emotions intact.

Meanwhile,

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while Skye is controlling the situation, gaining everyone's trust and now a Shield Agent...she directs Fitz to cut the direct line to Fury, Coulson comfy his suspension to her about the Clairvoyant, as well, the GH formula & secret "Pact" they made to each other, got Ward as her bodyguard, she is the only computer expert, always sending messages on her phone <hint hint>, has classified intel on team members(Coulson father being killed, being a dramatic experience for him), downloaded a back-up to the secrets they have collected, and supposenly, decoded the "out of the shadow, into the light, HYDRA, all in "plain site"...how convenient. She is an "UNKNOWN ENTITY" a class 0.8.4

I can go on....

http://in.ign.com/en/feature/2648/marvel-s-agents-of-shield-producers-on-where-the-show-goes-next

Hand's dead, and Ward killed her. Showrunner's confirmed it.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Nah, I don't buy the "generic Clairvoyant(s)" theory, either. It's nice to get metaphorical and all, but The Clairvoyant is definitely a singular entity. Po and Raina speak on the phone to a specific entity; a specific entity communicates via computer to Deathlok, and to the AOS. That's not some HYDRA groupmind at work. HYDRA is a hierarchy, not a democracy.

Doesn't have to be the same person in both cases, though.

 

[Asharad]

Watch the closing of Turn, Turn, Turn. Ward...

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closes his eyes, as if receiving new orders from the Clairvoyant.

Meanwhile, Garrett is telling another story. Garret is not the clairvoyant since

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Ward is receiving new orders from elsewhere

 

[cherokeesam]

Watch the closing of Turn, Turn, Turn. Ward...

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closes his eyes, as if receiving new orders from the Clairvoyant.

Meanwhile, Garrett is telling another story. Garret is not the clairvoyant since

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Ward is receiving new orders from elsewhere

That's not outside the realm of possibility, but it's a big assumption. So far, "The Clairvoyant" has shown no signs of possessing genuine telepathy. And if Ward was cyborged-up like Deathlok, I would've thought that the team would have detected that by now with all the physicals and other things they do on The Bus.

Ward's expression could simply be about conflicting thoughts inside his own head.

 

[kosh33]

My take on it is this: the person calling the shots (who was described as the Clairvoyant) is John Garrett. He certainly has bosses, though, and he may very well be relying on the equation to help him. On the other hand, what was there that actually needed an equation? The ones that I remembered surprising me were the ones about Coulson's personal life, but that's obviously not that big a deal anymore. Presumably, Garrett knew, but, even if he didn't, Coulson did just tell Ward the exact same thing.

I think the equation is related to superserum formulas, perfecting extremis and so on.. i dont see garrett as someone with the technical knowledge to design these serums.. so there is definitely someone a lot more intelligent who is capable of processing and connecting tonnes of information involved

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't recall Ward closing his eyes. In fact, my memory (and interpretation of the scene) was that he almost had a thousand yard stare like he was in shock. In other words, he was completely unblinking. I could be wrong, though, I haven't rewatched the episode.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I certainly don't think Garrett is the Clairvoyant for reasons explained previously; but in his defense, one does not have to be an evil genius, or background scientific knowledge & understanding of things revolving around super soldier serums & cybernetics. Just need people under him, who do.

Also, I agree with kosh33, it didn't appear Ward's eyes was close to me either...just looking down for a period of time, then look up at the viewers. I think Ward is infiltrator Hydra, not a turn-coat...and Loki882, those guys on that ign video are speculating that Ward is dead, like I'm speculating she's not. They even go so far to say it could be a ruse, which I certainly believe is the case, with "FIVE" more episodes to go before season end; to develop that Ward is just an infiltrator, flipping the switch back on Hydra. These guys don't have some insider information....just opinions like the rest of us

 

[cph9fa]

Agree, Garrett is likely not the Clairvoyant. Garrett only became involved after the Clairvoyant turned his attention to Coulson's resurrection (in ep. 10, The Bridge). And that only happened after Coulson's team had interfered twice with his operations (in the Pilot, and with Scorch). Before that, Coulson seems to have been off his radar. Instead, his operations consisted of developing Extremis super-soldiers, implanting fake eyes (years previously), hijacking diamond shipments, purchasing alien tech from Van Chat, and photographing alien diagrams. And possibly convincing Ian Quinn to apprehend Dr. Hall -- I'm not clear if that was at the Clairvoyant's bidding, or if Ian was still acting alone at that point.

Regarding Project Centipede, I still get the impression that they were an outside group that was "contracting" for the Clairvoyant, much like Cybertek. Which is to say, if the Clairvoyant = HYDRA = SHIELD... I don't think any of the members of Project Centipede were actually in SHIELD. I'm not sure where Po fits into that.

Another big question I have: why would Project Centipede spend big bucks to purchase sensitive SHIELD intel from Skye's hacker-ex-bf in the Rising Tide, if they (Centiped) were being run by the Clairvoyant, who was a high-ranking SHIELD member? Wouldn't it have been easier to just use their high-level SHIELD clearance? But it isn't until the end of that episode when Raina contacts Po, that the Clairvoyant even gets mentioned. So maybe at that point they were acting more independently.

 

[AquamanOS]

I think it was comparmentalized. Not everyone in Centipede (or heck maybe even none of them) knew they were being backed by Hydra to keep Hydra's existance in the modern day a secret. They had to pay rather than use their Shield ties to keep Shield off their scent. Paying a large fee to one of Shield's hacker enemies in order to get Shield intel would only serve to further Hydra's cover. On the other them getting the intel without having had to jump through any visable would immediately scream "security leak" to Shield.

Hydra's been exposed now. Everyone knows they're back and they were in Shield. Therefore there's no reason to keep pretending Centipede isn't Hydra.