Who is the most Agile in the Marvel U?

[yenaled]

Is thread is actually "Who would be the best lay?" isn't it?

 

[storyteller]

Look in order to run fast you need to have muscle.
But at some point too much muscle mass will inhibit you. Runners strengthen their leg muscles so they can faster. Now a huge hulking figure is going to slow you down due to flexibility. Those runners who bench press 250 certainlly dont look like the guys who bench press 750.
You certainly aren't very bendable when you have muscle in the way. This is why a body builder wont be outrunning a runner(though there's even more to that). The Hulk isn't going to be the most agile just because he has a lot of muscle. The guy can run really fast but agility is not about running fast. Its about being to alter yourself very quickly. Spiderman is very agile because of his flexibility and strength.

Just being strong does not mean you are agile. Especially since many heroes cheat.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Look in order to run fast you need to have muscle.
But at some point too much muscle mass will inhibit you. Runners strengthen their leg muscles so they can faster. Now a huge hulking figure is going to slow you down due to flexibility. Those runners who bench press 250 certainlly dont look like the guys who bench press 750.
You certainly aren't very bendable when you have muscle in the way. This is why a body builder wont be outrunning a runner(though there's even more to that). The Hulk isn't going to be the most agile just because he has a lot of muscle. The guy can run really fast but agility is not about running fast. Its about being to alter yourself very quickly. Spiderman is very agile because of his flexibility and strength.

Just being strong does not mean you are agile. Especially since many heroes cheat.

I'm looking at comic strength statistics as they lie on paper, factoring in science and physics and saying who should be the most agile.

The basis of my argument is the massive differences in power of the muscle. No way that someone with class 100 strength isnt more agile than Daredevil or even spiderman.

THose people would be a blur and could perform massivly quick movements that could not be matched...maybe not even followed.

The "bulk /size" argument of yours gets thrown out. Many characters like the Sentry or Silver surfer that have these upper strength levels are not excessively bulky. Plus I'd argue we have seen many athletes defy your logic, 100-200m sprinters have massive legs and even a decent amount of upper body strength, gymnasts have huge shoulders and abdominal muscles.

I'll concede the argument and say thats its spidey or whatever..but i dont think it should be.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The strength of a person's muscles has very little to do with how agile they are or how fast they move. Coordination, speed of nerve firing and the speed of muscle contraction are what matter. Take me for example. When I was young my reflexes were probably in the peak human category, my legs were very strong for my weight but in spite of that I was a mediocre runner and jumper because I had mostly slow twitch muscle fibers. My legs could generate great force but it was wasted energy. The Hulk shouldn't even be able to leap the way he does because that ability is not entirely determined by strength.

 

[THANOSRULES]

The strength of a person's muscles has very little to do with how agile they are or how fast they move. Coordination, speed of nerve firing and the speed of muscle contraction are what matter. Take me for example. When I was young my reflexes were probably in the peak human category, my legs were very strong for my weight but in spite of that I was a mediocre runner and jumper because I had mostly slow twitch muscle fibers. My legs could generate great force but it was wasted energy. The Hulk shouldn't even be able to leap the way he does because that ability is not entirely determined by strength.

First off how are we measuring agility?

If you asked the real world how to measure it, you'd probably see a lot of cone drills...football/soccer/obstacle course type stuff. A WHOLE subset of athletic skills would go into the sports medicine definition of agility.

If we go by the "dungeons and dragons" type of agility mostly meaning ability to be hit/ avoid a hit we get into a more or less subjective world thats made worse by incredibly inconsistant feat potrayals in comics.

You do have a point about the synapses and all..but when you have the class 100 types (many of which have advanced brains and reflexes to boot) the fact that they are so exponentially stronger than say Spiderman goes a long way...

As for you hulk argument...the words you should be looking for is power and explosion. And seeing as how hulk has limitless strength depending on what mood he's in, (Or whos writing him) I dont see why his jumping is "unrealistic". When a rocket ship launches from the earth, its stilll just a mathmatical force equation that explains how it can escape the earths gravity. If Hulks legs are capable of providing the force X needed to escape the earths gravity, then they can do it.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The gasses expelled from a rocket are traveling at great velocity and it is that which generates the forces that propel the rocket. The Hulk's legs can generate great force but cannot do so at any greater speed than a normal man because he cannot move his limbs at a greater speed than a normal man.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

To think Hulk has the same levels of FLEXIBILITY as Spider-Man or even Daredevil just because he is stronger is silly. And wrong

 

[Hound55]

The gasses expelled from a rocket are traveling at great velocity and it is that which generates the forces that propel the rocket. The Hulk's legs can generate great force but cannot do so at any greater speed than a normal man because he cannot move his limbs at a greater speed than a normal man.

I disagree with this.

That said, I think its daft to suggest that Hulk is the most agile character in the Marvel universe.

Its been said that he's remarkably manoueverable but I've seen nothing to suggest that the bulk of his muscles doesn't affect his agility/ability to turn/manouever himself.

Last I checked 100m/200m sprinters weren't the pinacle of human agility either...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

They are not, gymnasts or maybe even high divers are. Those sorta physiques match up to guys like Spidey or Daredevil more.

 

[Hound55]

They are not, gymnasts or maybe even high divers are. Those sorta physiques match up to guys like Spidey or Daredevil more.

Exactly.

 

[louiebling$]

Taskmaster can temporarily increase his speed and agility by watching kung fu films in fast forward. No, I'm not making that up!

Ok that's both HILARIOUS and Awesome at the same time

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I would think that he would be at risk of pulling every muscle in his body while doing that though. It would be a great story for him to be on the verge of defeating all his enemies at the same time in one big donnybrook only to collapse at the last instant before victory from a pulled body.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

That would be quite a scene!

Yea I think it only works temporarily. And as you say Surfer, seeing as he has no superhuman strength or durability, if he did that for too long it would probably tear him apart.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Strength wouldn't play a part but flexibility would but he doesn't have superhuman flexibility either. He would also fatigue faster, probably much faster.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I know what you mean.

Tasky is pretty agile as standard though. I mean he can replicate the moves of other characters pretty much spot on. In the UDON Taskmaster mini he ran rings around Iron Man.

 

[Hound55]

Surely he'd either go into cardiac arrest or the lactic acid building up from his body working beyond its natural capacity would burn through his muscular tissue...

...of course going by Charlie Huston's Moon Knight: The Bottom, you'd think he REALLY wouldn't be able to keep it up for long at all, since his lack of tolerance for pain and the fear of seeing what Moon Knight would willingly put himself through for a piece of his opponent was what ultimately made the difference...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea that's why he can only go in "fast forward" temporarily. I think it explains what you guys are saying in the comic actually, haven't read it in a while.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

He would probably burn through the sugar in his blood faster than he could replace it and crash.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Silicon..I guess I'm gonna disagree with you on almost everything you've said on this thread.

 

[Hound55]

Really? Aside from the "Hulk cannot move his limbs at a greater speed than a normal man" I think he's pretty much spot on.


...says the new guy nobody gives a crap about. Heh

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Look up punching speeds on the web if you can find anything. That is the speed at which a punch travels not how many punches in a given time. You will find out that everyone regardless of strength tops out between 25 and 30 mph. If strength determined punching speed then at least some of the strongest would also punch faster but that is not the case.

 

[Perfect Cell]

I dunno about any speed or agility scales, but Elektra is the fastest character in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance. That has to count for something, right?

Right?

No? Very well. Spider-Man, or something, then.