Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 1

[The Joker]

Good opinions never get old. Like a fine wine they age well.

 

[CaptainWagner]

*crosses fingers that the Venom debate doesn't derail the thread for the 50th time*

 

[The Joker]

I promise it won't

That dead horse has been beaten black and blue.

I'd like one of these villains too, but would also be wanting to see Doc Ock return as the main villain at some point. He's just too good. The success of Spider-Man 2 is amplified by his presence. I like Green Goblin, but I'd consider Ock Spidey's true nemesis. And Superior Spider-Man is such an awesome arc.

 

[I'm Venom]

Good opinions never get old. Like a fine wine they age well.

Well, any "good" one.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Big Wheel confirmed
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Be so funny if they did him. Seeing big giant ferris wheel thing chasing Spider-Man in New york lol.

I'd welcome him over Venom

lol so would I.

 

[Webhead2006]

Haha funny tweet from watts it would be a cool opening sequence or a montage scene of spidey taking out big wheel lol.

As for lead villain I still def Want mysterio for first the most. I also fine with vulture too. Sequel I feel better doing a kraven/chameleon combo, or a scorpion film.

I too agree if/when we see symbiote and venom it should be set up over time. Like say peter get symbiote in infinity wars. It doesn't start to take over their. Then we come back for sequel and peter has black suit for whole film. Then at end we find out what it is and he gets rid of it. While also in this film and hopefully in first too lay seeds for brock. Then we come back for next film and go full on venom.

 

[Lantern Venom]

*crosses fingers that the Venom debate doesn't derail the thread for the 50th time*

What about the Dork Ock debate? JK.

Other than the near-certainty that we'll see new villains, everything else is up in the air. If Marvel Studios does indeed plan to keep most of the new Spidey trilogy in high school, we might have to brace ourselves for very different versions of the characters we love. After Ant-man, it should be obvious that MS doesn't mind making major tweaks if the source material doesn't fit into the MCU.

 

[I'm Venom]

Haha funny tweet from watts it would be a cool opening sequence or a montage scene of spidey taking out big wheel lol.

As for lead villain I still def Want mysterio for first the most. I also fine with vulture too. Sequel I feel better doing a kraven/chameleon combo, or a scorpion film.

I too agree if/when we see symbiote and venom it should be set up over time. Like say peter get symbiote in infinity wars. It doesn't start to take over their. Then we come back for sequel and peter has black suit for whole film. Then at end we find out what it is and he gets rid of it. While also in this film and hopefully in first too lay seeds for brock. Then we come back for next film and go full on venom.

You need at least a movie of Spidey wearing the symbiote and showing Brock's animosity before doing a movie with Venom.

Otherwise you don't have any depth to the character or have to cram him into the last 10 minutes to fit the runtime. Spider-Man 3 could've worked if they had just set up the Venom arc in Spider-Man 2. First movie is about Peter as Spider-Man. This would also introduce Brock. Then, in Infinity War, he finds the costume and uses it. Second movie, he ditches the costume, and we get Venom.

 

[Lantern Venom]

You need at least a movie of Spidey wearing the symbiote and showing Brock's animosity before doing a movie with Venom.

I fully agree, but let's not assume that MS will automatically do the original Eddie story. Marvel seems to have a high opinion of the mediocre Agent Venom, which might be an easier story for a high school backdrop, ala the Ultimate Spidey 'toon.

As I said earlier, I'm not getting my hopes up for specific story adaptations since Spidey's world is being poured into a pre-existing, larger steam of continuity.

 

[Webhead2006]

Venom that is what I was saying lol.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I fully agree, but let's not assume that MS will automatically do the original Eddie story. Marvel seems to have a high opinion of the mediocre Agent Venom, which might be an easier story for a high school backdrop, ala the Ultimate Spidey 'toon.

As I said earlier, I'm not getting my hopes up for specific story adaptations since Spidey's world is being poured into a pre-existing, larger steam of continuity.

Agent Venom is a must, but in order for that story to work, you have to show the whole arc, including Brock's stint as villionous Venom. (Though Gargan could work as a substitute, if for some reason they really didn't want Brock)

 

[Webhead2006]

Who to say they would go straight to agent venom if we got venom in solo 2 or 3. It's far to early for glash. More so if we do the whole hs thing. It makes for better sense go brock first who is slightly older then peter and all. And play on classic venom stuff. Then after a full film of venom he is jailed. And the jail and government removes symbiote from brock. And then we can play off they spend time and likely a few yrs researching it then at a much later time ie in like 8 yrs when we would likely have peter and the midtown gang in early to mid 20s if they all start at 15 to 16 then do agent venom.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Just have a few villains already established. No origin for Spidey, no origins for them. Some, not all.

 

[Webhead2006]

Personally it makes far better see to do brock first after 0eter gets suit. Do a film with venom as a bad fuy. Then he jailed symboitetaken. And the government plays with it for a bit. Then flash can happen at a later time. Just cause flash is venom right now and the comics play him up more. Doesn't mean the movies will go straight to flash if venom was to happen in solo 2 or 3 for example. The films and comics are separate entities. Sure their is some synergy their. Or one may influence the other.

Of course origins likely not be seen for all. But I would say want goblin or venom already on the acene. That is more suited to say kraven, chameleon, shocker even maybe rhino and the mob guys. Others like the goblins, venom, vulture and a few others makes sense to see raise and fall story and all that.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

You need at least a movie of Spidey wearing the symbiote and showing Brock's animosity before doing a movie with Venom.

Otherwise you don't have any depth to the character or have to cram him into the last 10 minutes to fit the runtime. Spider-Man 3 could've worked if they had just set up the Venom arc in Spider-Man 2. First movie is about Peter as Spider-Man. This would also introduce Brock. Then, in Infinity War, he finds the costume and uses it. Second movie, he ditches the costume, and we get Venom.

Yeah, they certainly could have planned that out and probably would have worked better with an arc that started in the first movie. If I remember correctly, they even mentioned Eddie by name in SM1. Thing is, Sam was still creatively in control during SM1 and 2 and he was totally unfamiliar with Venom.

I'm not a Venom fan at all and I'd prefer they just keep the symbiotes out of these new movies completely but both Venom and Carnage are very popular. So...if they built an ongoing arc and made character introductions early/often that would definitely be a better approach this time around.

IMO, the classic villains are better in terms of motives, characterizations, and stories. I'd like to see Ock revisited at some point (especially if S6 is going to be utilized), also Goblin and eventually Hobgoblin before any of the symbiotes are even brought up. Give me Mysterio, Kraven, Scorpion, Shocker...

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I'm not a Venom fan at all and I'd prefer they just keep the symbiotes out of these new movies completely

Me too.

IMO, the classic villains are better in terms of motives, characterizations, and stories. I'd like to see Ock revisited at some point (especially if S6 is going to be utilized), also Goblin and eventually Hobgoblin before any of the symbiotes are even brought up. Give me Mysterio, Kraven, Scorpion, Shocker...

Agreed. If they going to use villain not used yet in movies then start with Mysterio, and maybe have B-villain like Scorpion or Shocker.

Then bring back big villains like Dr Octopus and Green Goblin.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya that is why I still like them do a slow build up to norman, brock, ock even conners. So we lay the seeds for their turn at a later time. But the main villains for at least 1 and 2 should be ones who haven't been on film yet.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Ya that is why I still like them do a slow build up to norman, brock, ock even conners. So we lay the seeds for their turn at a later time. But the main villains for at least 1 and 2 should be ones who haven't been on film yet.

I second this. Ock, Venom, Norman all deserve build up, espically Norman, who deserves to be utilized to his full Dark Reign potential in the MCU.

 

[Webhead2006]

Totally hopefully something like that is marvel plan.

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah, they certainly could have planned that out and probably would have worked better with an arc that started in the first movie. If I remember correctly, they even mentioned Eddie by name in SM1. Thing is, Sam was still creatively in control during SM1 and 2 and he was totally unfamiliar with Venom.

I'm not a Venom fan at all and I'd prefer they just keep the symbiotes out of these new movies completely but both Venom and Carnage are very popular. So...if they built an ongoing arc and made character introductions early/often that would definitely be a better approach this time around.

IMO, the classic villains are better in terms of motives, characterizations, and stories. I'd like to see Ock revisited at some point (especially if S6 is going to be utilized), also Goblin and eventually Hobgoblin before any of the symbiotes are even brought up. Give me Mysterio, Kraven, Scorpion, Shocker...

See I'm not sure I agree with that idea, what's Shocker motive for being a bank robber and why can't he use his skills make money legitimately? In an animated adaptions they deal with this plot hole, by making Shocker a normal thug who is given his tech by a third party and that seems a little more sensible then Shocker being a "professional criminal" who doesn't even try to make money with his technical skills. Ultimate Shocker, as goofy he was, had a reason why he couldn't use his skills to make money legitimately. It does ring true to me that 616 Shocker has technical skills, but doesn't even try to make money with them legitimately.

In the comics it often seems like Mysterio hates Spider-Man for no reason, Mysterio wants revenge on Spidey in the comics, but there is no explanation on why Mysterio has grudge against Spidey, he just does. In the 90s cartoon, they tried to give Mysterio a more concrete reason to hate Spidey, rather then him hating Spidey for no good reason. I suggested making Mysterio an evil psychopath, because at least then sadistic cruelty would be a motive for Mysterio trying to mess with Spidey.

Don't get me wrong, Venom's motives are needlessly convoluted, but I find a lot of other Spidey villains have motives that are underdeveloped and could use some spicing up in an adaption to the Silver Screen. A lot of Spidey villains need better developed motives in a movie then they have had in the comics.

A villain who has no redeeming qualities, but never does anything more evil then bank robbery, is total bore at the box office, IMO. I have no reason to care about that villain at all.

 

[SonicWarrior]

I want Vulture, m8.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Venom would be great

 

[SonicWarrior]

Venom would be great

He would be, but I don't know about as the first villain in the series...

 

[SM71]

Honestly, I love the idea of buildups, esp for Norman/GG (I was excited to see what the ASM franchise was going to do when they teased him in 1), but I honestly think buildups aren't necessary at all to have a villain/character done properly. And actually kind of (to me at least) detract from the idea of great, stand-alone films.

- Norman/Ock in Raimi's trilogy? done in single, isolated films. And absolutely fantastic

- All the villains in TDK trilogy? Single, isolated films. And (IMO) all absolutely fantastic

Now like I mention, Norman/Goblin would be the one exception. But other than that, the buildup idea just screams 'world building' to me, and I've personally had more than enough world/universe building. Take me back to the days of SM1/2 type films, where each one might hint at something in the future, but all completely their own entity, and I'm a happy camper. Just my opinion tho of course

 

[I'm Venom]

Venom is a great character, because he does have a really rich motivation. The details are different, depending on which version you're talking about but he typically has a lot of development and emotional gravitas, and those are what make him memorable.