Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 1

[TheGearMan]

I think Shocker would be a great choice too.

 

[I'm Venom]

I want a proper Venom done right. None of this Agent Venom or Gargan Venom. Brock. Symbiote. As a dual entity. That uses "we" instead of "I." And is the brutal defender of innocents.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I'd like to see Venom when Peter's older, probably in his 20s and is dating MJ. TAS had that great bit of Eddie getting into Peter's head in regards to Aunt May and MJ. As it stands though, I'd like to see (almost) all new villains to start.

Vulture for the first film to have a fun and enjoyable Spidey film again, the pair of Kraven and Lizard for a more serious sequel and Doc Ock for the epic conclusion.

From there (going off of my word documents), I'd do Enforcers (Shocker, Rhino and Sandman), Green Goblin, Kraven (on his own), Sinister Six, Venom and Green Goblin once more.

By then, enough time would pass for them to think about using Miles as the new Spidey in film and letting Peter have a break. Just wishful thinking of course, but I'd like it.

 

[SonicWarrior]

I'd like to see Venom when Peter's older, probably in his 20s and is dating MJ. TAS had that great bit of Eddie getting into Peter's head in regards to Aunt May and MJ. As it stands though, I'd like to see (almost) all new villains to start.

Vulture for the first film to have a fun and enjoyable Spidey film again, the pair of Kraven and Lizard for a more serious sequel and Doc Ock for the epic conclusion.

From there (going off of my word documents), I'd do Enforcers (Shocker, Rhino and Sandman), Green Goblin, Kraven (on his own), Sinister Six, Venom and Green Goblin once more.

By then, enough time would pass for them to think about using Miles as the new Spidey in film and letting Peter have a break. Just wishful thinking of course, but I'd like it.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Vulture just seems like such a boring villain. Plus, the Falcon comparisons would be inevitable.

That's not necessarily a negative. Having an aerial battle between Falcon and Vulture would be quite interesting.

I want a proper Venom done right. None of this Agent Venom or Gargan Venom. Brock. Symbiote. As a dual entity. That uses "we" instead of "I." And is the brutal defender of innocents.

I agree fully. Give us 616 Eddie and the symbiote, no inferior knock-offs.

 

[I'm Venom]

Maybe Spidey could fight Sin-Eater at the beginning of another film, and it could lead up to a showdown with Venom. It makes sense to me, but obvs we wouldn't see the symbiote in the first movie.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Maybe Spidey could fight Sin-Eater at the beginning of another film, and it could lead up to a showdown with Venom. It makes sense to me, but obvs we wouldn't see the symbiote in the first movie.

How about in the place of Sin-eater in that story we got Shocker instead? That might be neat, it gives a clear purpose for a fan favorite to be included. I haven't read the story entirely, just footnotes, but that adjustment as far as I'm concerned could work

 

[Webhead2006]

Shocker for me I still see more of a secondary minor threat. And mysterio like shocker is a villain type and look we haven't got before. And he would have great visuals to play with.

 

[AnneFan]

Whoever they choose, I'd like to see the film focus on just the one villain. Just like SM and SM2. I liked SM3 but even I have to admit it was crowded.

 

[Webhead2006]

I don't see problem if they did two. Just make the story glow together. Or if not use a semi know guy for a second threat. At least have some minor c or d lister pop in for a quick sequence. Lala like old bond films opening. Or sorta what they tried to do with rhino in asm 2. I always wanted that out of the raimi films.

 

[I'm Venom]

How about in the place of Sin-eater in that story we got Shocker instead? That might be neat, it gives a clear purpose for a fan favorite to be included. I haven't read the story entirely, just footnotes, but that adjustment as far as I'm concerned could work

Personally, I'd much rather see Sin-Eater, because he played such a huge part in Brock's origin story and it's something that wasn't covered in either of the Raimi or Webb films.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well if films Don use him. Maybe one of the netflix shows could include sin eater.

 

[The Joker]

Sin Eater would be great for a Death of Jean DeWolffe type story. But nothing else.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya but as I said characters and events from his world don't need to just be confirmed to solos. We can now see greater mcu use things too.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Look, I'm just gonna say this now, but Cranston HAS to be Norman. I don't see him playing anybody else!

 

[Slade W]

I want a proper Venom done right. None of this Agent Venom or Gargan Venom. Brock. Symbiote. As a dual entity. That uses "we" instead of "I." And is the brutal defender of innocents.

If they do Venom I think it is important to get his motivation and other aspects right. There have been problems with that in the past in the comics and film. In TAS I thought Eddie was a bit silly and paranoid (I remember him following JJJ because he thought him and Spiderman were plotting against him ) before he bonded with the symbiote. The symbiotes hatred and bitterness in regards to Spiderman/Parker is a good one in TAS IMO (and in the comics too). It feels that it offered him great things and that Parker rejected him. It has a funny relationship in regards to Peter. It hates him and wants him to suffer but it also wants to bond with him again and liked Parker as a host (if I remember correctly sometimes it is even written that it would prefer Parker over Eddie and would leave Brock to go back to Parker). I find that interesting (although Parker was right to reject the symbiote because it was gaining more and more control).

In regards to Eddie, despite being a bit silly, thick and paranoid in TAS, I thought his motivation was ok in TAS but not as interesting as the symbiotes. He was a jerk and was in the wrong when it came to hating Spiderman. Spiderman did nothing wrong and it was Eddie who was lying about Spiderman to get his job back. He was a desperate man who had no problem with being sneaky to get what he wants. He wasn't made overly sympathetic and there is nothing wrong with that IMO (although I did feel a bit sorry about him losing his apartment and his life being bad in general but that is just me). The reason I say that there is nothing wrong with that is because Eddie doesn't have to be portrayed as an honest guy. He is a jerk and he works well as one IMO. That doesn't mean that he isn't a good person deep down though. He isn't evil (not even as Venom) and that is shown by his refusal to hurt "innocents" (depends on the writer of course). He just hates Spiderman and the bitter symbiote which is influencing him is egging him on and making that hatred even worse. I think that makes him a bit interesting personally. He is a petty, insecure and vengeful jerk and is willing to do sneaky, dishonest things to get ahead but there are lines he will not cross and he has a twisted moral code and will not hurt certain people like Mary Jane (again, depends on the writer of course and the story he is trying to tell and what he wants from Venom). I find that interesting and that separates him from a lot of villains IMO.

A lot of the time I don't even consider Brock to be an outright villain. Generally both Brock (and sometimes the symbiote too) just hate Spiderman (sometimes the symbiote is written as evil and sometime less so, especially in contrast to Carnage, again this is something that depends on the writer which is the case with lots of comic characters). He is not quite a hero either and if he is one then he is far from a perfect one (he is nowhere near as good a hero as Spiderman). An anti-hero is probably the best way to describe him.

Personally (and that is the key word here because this is just what I feel) if they get Eddie's motivation right and get across the qualities that I described then he could be a good character in a film and he would go down well with most fans. The symbiotes motivation (its bitterness over Parker's rejection) is generally good and hopefully they will show that Eddie isn't outright evil and doesn't want to hurt "innocents" (he just wants what he considers to be justice because in his mind Spiderman is the bad guy, even though he is completely wrong about that). It is up to the writers if they want the symbiote to be evil or not but if they are doing Carnage also then it is probably best to portray the Venom symbiote as a grey character also. I think there is a very good character there in Venom but I think certain aspects of him get messed up like his motivation or certain aspects like his twisted moral code being left out.

 

[The Joker]

That's one thing that's always tickled me. No adaption of Venom so far, not the movie or any of the animated shows have touched the Sin-Eater thing, or his strong religious beliefs, or any of that rubbish. Even Ultimate Spider-Man (the comic) didn't do any of it. Most importantly they all had an actual connection between Peter and Eddie BEFORE they become enemies.

Basically they didn't do any of the stuff that makes comic book Venom's motive so bad.

 

[SonicWarrior]

I find Vulture and Scorpion boring. I know others don't and that's fine, but I just don't get the appeal. Kraven might be good, same with Mysterio.

It's not like they can't make Vulture an epic villain on the big screen.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

That's one thing that's always tickled me. No adaption of Venom so far, not the movie or any of the animated shows have touched the Sin-Eater thing, or his strong religious beliefs, or any of that rubbish. Even Ultimate Spider-Man (the comic) didn't do any of it. Most importantly they all had an actual connection between Peter and Eddie BEFORE they become enemies.

Basically they didn't do any of the stuff that makes comic book Venom's motive so bad.

You know, I'm writing my own take on Spidey. One I tend to share on here some day and I was thinking that.

I also thought about this that nobody seems to notice.

You see when the black suit is taking over Spidey, it's like the alien ooze isn't given Spidey a choice. It's gonna take over Peter and Peter will sort of be a prisoner inside of this alien. I mean the suit was trying to take over Peter.

But when it's on Eddie, it decides to share it's power with Eddie. It doesn't try to take Eddie over. In fact the alien ooze gives Eddie some control over the ooze.

You get what I mean? It makes no sense really. It lets Eddie have some sort of control over the ooze meanwhile the ooze tried to take over Peter without letting Peter have a choice.

My take on Venom is actually quite different then the comics or anything. I actually thought about the religious angle and uses it. My take basically Eddie becomes much more sympathetic. When the alien ooze is on Eddie, after it was on Peter, it takes control over Eddie. Eddie is never in control of his actions. Sort of like what Apocalypse does to his Horsemen so to speak. We have the symbiote in full control of Venom and Eddie.

My biggest issues with Venom are 1) making him a hero. Now I'm fine with Flash Venom being a hero. That is awesome but moreso with Eddie. At times Eddie Venom is written as a hero and I wanted my take to be less of this:

and more of this...

And that goes into my second issue. 2) Making Venom scary. Venom looks like an Alien Xenomorph. Go full balls out horror.

That's my direction. I do have this idea that whenever I decided to have Eddie and the symbiote become unattached, due to Eddie's time in the symbiote when he's release he is in a coma.

The idea of this alien thing attached to one's body and the alien at one moment taking over someone's body and the next sort of like "hey you hate Peter too? Let's team up and be buddies" doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Webhead2006]

Hey Levi if you ever do write anything def post it. It's always fun to see others ideas for scripts.

 

[I'm Venom]

There were a lot of great moments in the early stories.

- Scaring MJ
- Killing the cop, but treating it with respect.
- Webbing Peter to the bell dressed as a priest
- Folding clothes with Aunt May
- Dumping animal blood on Peter
- Peter's desperate fight on the island to fend off Venom
- Being beaten by Peter pretending to give himself to the symbiote

There were great moments. Venom's antagonism was unlike any other villain. I liked that duality, because he wasn't trying to rob banks or take over the world. I don't think Aquaman should be tailored to my tastes, if I wasn't an Aquaman fan to start with.

 

[The Joker]

You know, I'm writing my own take on Spidey. One I tend to share on here some day and I was thinking that.

I also thought about this that nobody seems to notice.

You see when the black suit is taking over Spidey, it's like the alien ooze isn't given Spidey a choice. It's gonna take over Peter and Peter will sort of be a prisoner inside of this alien. I mean the suit was trying to take over Peter.

But when it's on Eddie, it decides to share it's power with Eddie. It doesn't try to take Eddie over. In fact the alien ooze gives Eddie some control over the ooze.

You get what I mean? It makes no sense really. It lets Eddie have some sort of control over the ooze meanwhile the ooze tried to take over Peter without letting Peter have a choice.

My take on Venom is actually quite different then the comics or anything. I actually thought about the religious angle and uses it. My take basically Eddie becomes much more sympathetic. When the alien ooze is on Eddie, after it was on Peter, it takes control over Eddie. Eddie is never in control of his actions. Sort of like what Apocalypse does to his Horsemen so to speak. We have the symbiote in full control of Venom and Eddie.

My biggest issues with Venom are 1) making him a hero. Now I'm fine with Flash Venom being a hero. That is awesome but moreso with Eddie. At times Eddie Venom is written as a hero and I wanted my take to be less of this:

and more of this...

And that goes into my second issue. 2) Making Venom scary. Venom looks like an Alien Xenomorph. Go full balls out horror.

That's my direction. I do have this idea that whenever I decided to have Eddie and the symbiote become unattached, due to Eddie's time in the symbiote when he's release he is in a coma.

The idea of this alien thing attached to one's body and the alien at one moment taking over someone's body and the next sort of like "hey you hate Peter too? Let's team up and be buddies" doesn't make sense to me.

I always thought that anti-hero stuff was rubbish, too, and only done to try and keep the character fresh once the repetitive weak stalk and fight Spider-Man routine got stale fast. If they ever do Venom I hope they steer well clear of it.

One thing I remember from the comics was the symbiote liked Peter more than it did Brock. Peter was actually able to lure the symbiote off Brock just by offering to give himself to it. Was a major burn for Brock the symbiote crawling right off him and going to Peter, which I must admit enjoying. The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon did this scene, too.

If your take on Venom is quite different from the comics, LEVI, then that can only be a good thing. I'd love to see it when ever you get done writing it.

 

[Lantern Venom]

There were a lot of great moments in the early stories.

- Scaring MJ
- Killing the cop, but treating it with respect.
- Webbing Peter to the bell dressed as a priest
- Folding clothes with Aunt May
- Dumping animal blood on Peter
- Peter's desperate fight on the island to fend off Venom
- Being beaten by Peter pretending to give himself to the symbiote

There were great moments. Venom's antagonism was unlike any other villain. I liked that duality, because he wasn't trying to rob banks or take over the world. I don't think Aquaman should be tailored to my tastes, if I wasn't an Aquaman fan to start with.

Those are all good points. Eddie really got into Peter's psyche, and much of that was cathartic for Eddie. His childhood was the negative image of Peter's, so knowing that he could shatter Peter's sense of safety for Peter's loved ones gave him a sense of control that he lacked in other areas of his life. That's part of the reason that he didn't want to share an attack on Peter with other villains. Not only did he see Peter as the villain (as twisted as that was), he was obviously enjoying toying with Peter's mind.

 

[Webhead2006]

I do hope when they do symbiote they do more and do include some more key points from classic books. If they do eddie first. Which I hooe. I hate to skip him totally.

 

[I'm Venom]

Yeah, it would be such a waste if he didn't get it in IW, because it skips having to take time to introduce it in his own film. Like Spidey 2 is Kraven's Last Hunt (because it would be his fourth or fifth film total if you count CW and IW), and that would be enough build up for him to have Kraven take notice of him, and during that film he uses the black costume. Then, in the next film we get Venom (done justice this time). That was part of the reason SM3 failed they rushed it.