Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 3

[Webhead2006]

i said this for ages opening scenes in the solos or during likely montage squence we likely to get to drop a few lower class foes in for a fun moment. Folks we dont need to know there back history at all. Just in costume close to looks and them getting beat quick. Big wheel, white rabbit, leap frog, grizzly, gibbon, etc...... guys like this for fun little added moments and world building. Then just some random crook in all black or a mugging.

 

[AvegningSpider]

i said this for ages opening scenes in the solos or during likely montage squence we likely to get to drop a few lower class foes in for a fun moment. Folks we dont need to know there back history at all. Just in costume close to looks and them getting beat quick. Big wheel, white rabbit, leap frog, grizzly, gibbon, etc...... guys like this for fun little added moments and world building. Then just some random crook in all black or a mugging.

Exactly, then we can go on with the story.

 

[The Overlord]

i said this for ages opening scenes in the solos or during likely montage squence we likely to get to drop a few lower class foes in for a fun moment. Folks we dont need to know there back history at all. Just in costume close to looks and them getting beat quick. Big wheel, white rabbit, leap frog, grizzly, gibbon, etc...... guys like this for fun little added moments and world building. Then just some random crook in all black or a mugging.

I feel like Big Wheel is too expensive to justify using as just a comic relief villain.

Frankly if I were putting comic relief villains in the story, I would make them as pathetic as possible, with costume that look really crappy, no powers or high tech devices, guys that clearly have no business challenging Spidey. I think that would be funnier and since it would barely affect the budget, it would be easier to justify their inclusion.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I feel like Big Wheel is too expensive to justify using as just a comic relief villain.

Frankly if I were putting comic relief villains in the story, I would make them as pathetic as possible, with costume that look really crappy, no powers or high tech devices, guys that clearly have no business challenging Spidey. I think that would be funnier and since it would barely affect the budget, it would be easier to justify their inclusion.

Have Grizzly, White Rabbit, Frog Man, Light Master, Speed Demon, Kangaroo, Boomerang, Swarm, Ring Master, Thinkerer comanding a heist, any of those.

 

[The Overlord]

Have Grizzly, White Rabbit, Frog Man, Light Master, Speed Demon, Kangaroo, Boomerang, Swarm, Ring Master, Thinkerer comanding a heist, any of those.

Light Master seems too expensive to be a comic relief, unless we really tone down his powers and make him far more pathetic. Ditto with Swarm, too expensive.

Tinkerer I wouldn't waste in such a role, he works much better as a weapons dealer then some pathetic bank robber.

Also wasn't Frog Man a D-list hero, rather then a D-list villain?

I would stick with idiots who have no powers and badly made costumes from home, like White Rabbit.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Light Master seems too expensive to be a comic relief, unless we really tone down his powers and make him far more pathetic. Ditto with Swarm, too expensive.

Tinkerer I wouldn't waste in such a role, he works much better as a weapons dealer then some pathetic bank robber.

Also wasn't Frog Man a D-list hero, rather then a D-list villain?

I would stick with idiots who have no powers and badly made costumes from home, like White Rabbit.

Light-Master is understandable, he is a bit too....OP i guess?
Thinkerer i guess having him provide weapons to bank robbers could work
I think Frog-Man started as a villain if my memory doesn't fail me.

 

[The Overlord]

Light-Master is understandable, he is a bit too....OP i guess?
Thinkerer i guess having him provide weapons to bank robbers could work
I think Frog-Man started as a villain if my memory doesn't fail me.

Frog Man was just an unsuccessful hero from the start, his father Leap-Frog was the unsuccessful villain, but he was a Daredevil villain, not a Spidey villain. I suppose you can just make Frog Man a villain in the movies, it really doesn't matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog-Man

 

[AvegningSpider]

Frog Man was just an unsuccessful hero from the start, his father Leap-Frog was the unsuccessful villain, but he was a Daredevil villain, not a Spidey villain. I suppose you can just make Frog Man a villain in the movies, it really doesn't matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog-Man

Ok then, damn do i have a bad memory then.

 

[harryoscop]

Have Grizzly, White Rabbit, Frog Man, Light Master, Speed Demon, Kangaroo, Boomerang, Swarm, Ring Master, Thinkerer comanding a heist, any of those.

Oh, and throw in Spot while you're at it.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Oh, and throw in Spot while you're at it.

 

[The Overlord]

Again I'm not sure Spot ever did anything important in the comics, besides become the power source for Coyote, a far more fearsome villain who did really evil things with the same gimmick. Really Coyote used that gimmick in a way a real criminal would. That's the kinda of the big mark against Spot, some other guy had to steal his gimmick and do better with that, for that power set to be seen as threatening.

What would you do with Spot, keep him the same goofball from the comics or give him Coyote's psychopathic personality and more evil, yet profitable criminal enterprises? Unless Spot would be comic relief in the film (again, he is too expensive for that) he would have to be changed to work in the context of a film.

 

[ernesth100]

Still Kraven, Mysterio and Vulture are still in the top choices. Shocker and Scorpion in close second place for most likely.

 

[Webhead2006]

i never said we have to have a low teir baddie in opening scene or a montage to just be comic relief. Just a cool moments to flesh out his world and what not. Like if any one seen deadpool how they handled his monatage scene. But instead of random guys toss in real characters.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think the film should open with film's main villain...establish him right off.

 

[Webhead2006]

I wouldn't want big bad already iut and about with no build up. Plus really most of his rouges shouldn't be villains or powered up yet with a spidey still fresh to the scene.

 

[The Overlord]

i never said we have to have a low teir baddie in opening scene or a montage to just be comic relief. Just a cool moments to flesh out his world and what not. Like if any one seen deadpool how they handled his monatage scene. But instead of random guys toss in real characters.

I rather have it be comic relief villains Spidey is foiling in such instances, it makes for a more fun and humorous film. Frankly bank robbery should be left to random goons and comic relief, while the true villains of the film do something more impressive.

And really you have justify everything from a budgetary standpoint, you can't just spend several millions dollars on Big Wheel when he adds nothing to plot, because that money should go to other areas that make the main film better. Have Spidey deal with some low budget loser for such a scene that has no bearing on the plot, its funny and it costs hardly anything. Why put Big Wheel in one those scenes when White Rabbit costs far less and you get the same caliber of villain?

 

[ernesth100]

I wouldn't want big bad already iut and about with no build up. Plus really most of his rouges shouldn't be villains or powered up yet with a spidey still fresh to the scene.

Agreed. Having the villain already powered with no build up origin or explanation would be weird.

 

[NYC Spider]

LMAO!!!! I was joking when I said Big Wheel, I feel like everyone took it seriously (not gonna lie, if I ever see him on the big screen I will burst)

 

[AvegningSpider]

LMAO!!!! I was joking when I said Big Wheel, I feel like everyone took it seriously (not gonna lie, if I ever see him on the big screen I will burst)

 

[NYC Spider]

Yup t:

 

[I'm Venom]

If they do Venom eventually I'd wish they'd do the story that got Brock fired - the one with the masked murderer killing people he saw as sinners. That was a powerful story. I know it involved Daredevil, but I really think they can make it work.

 

[Webhead2006]

if they did a scene with big wheel they could always tie it to plot in some form like he stole tech from oscorp that relates to something they are doing in the film. But point being i would love to have some opening scenes like bond done or montage scenes to toss in a few of the lower tier guys who never headline a field and like i said branches the world out more with known comics foes that spidey can tango with then just the main baddie in the film and random crooks and muggers.

Same goes for the big bad guys i dont want them to already been teched up/gotten powers and no build up. With that we dont have a good enough reason to care for the character and we dont get to know who they are and what they are about that way. It works for the lowers guys i said before leapfrog, white rabbit, etc..... types like them. But for the big guns you want some build up with them.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Agreed. Having the villain already powered with no build up origin or explanation would be weird.

The big bads should probably have some sort of origin explained, but assorted thugs, henchmen and one off fights like Vulture, Spot, or Electro don't need any explanation other than maybe a snippet of conversation here and there. Do it like Suicide Squad, have the villains already there.

 

[The Overlord]

if they did a scene with big wheel they could always tie it to plot in some form like he stole tech from oscorp that relates to something they are doing in the film. But point being i would love to have some opening scenes like bond done or montage scenes to toss in a few of the lower tier guys who never headline a field and like i said branches the world out more with known comics foes that spidey can tango with then just the main baddie in the film and random crooks and muggers.

Same goes for the big bad guys i dont want them to already been teched up/gotten powers and no build up. With that we dont have a good enough reason to care for the character and we dont get to know who they are and what they are about that way. It works for the lowers guys i said before leapfrog, white rabbit, etc..... types like them. But for the big guns you want some build up with them.

I don't see the point of wasting money on Big Wheel, Big Wheel is the same caliber of villain as White Rabbit and White Rabbit is easier and cheaper to do, Big Wheel is as lame as White Rabbit, but with a higher price tag that is not worth it.

Frankly if you want an intro villain you can connect to the main plot, just use Shocker, he can be a non silly competent henchman who is committing a tech heist on behalf of some other bigger villain: Kingpin, Mysterio, Vulture, Dr.. Octopus, Green Goblin, etc. Spidey foils the heist, I would have Shocker escape so he can used again later, then the plot begins with Spidey finding out why this robbery took place and how it fits in with a larger plot. Shocker works better as a minor, but plot important villain then Big Wheel does, Shocker is a more serious villain then Big Wheel is.

 

[Dasher10]

I hope that this film helps lay the groundwork for the rumored Thunderbolts TV series. Start off with Joystick getting foiled robbing a bank in the first five minutes and then make Scorpion the bad guy.

Scorpion starts off as Spider-Man's rival who's developed by Oscorp and working for the NYPD. The Daily Bugle love him as opposed to Spider-Man since he's at least able to be held accountable to the authorities. The man who both Spider-Man and Scorpion are trying to apprehend is Shocker.

Scorpion rebels when he learns that his powers are killing him and Shocker actually joins forces with Spider-Man to stop him. Spider-Man doesn't let Shocker go and both of them are apprehended in a new SHIELD facility known as The Raft. After the credits, Shocker and Scorpion walk past Joystick on the way to their cell when they meet... Helmut Zemo as their new cellmate.

The second film needs to have Doc Ock, AIM and the Smythes and introduce the Venom symbiote and Eddie Brock but not have Venom actually appear until after the credits roll. I'm thinking two Spider-Man films per phase because Spider-Man is Marvel's most popular character. The second film should debut in late 2019 since nothing is slotted for that date yet.

The third film should obviously have Venom as the villain and then close off Phase 4 with Carnage.

If Marvel like my idea about Phase 5 being an adaptation of Dark Reign, then this is where I'd have Norman Osborn become the Green Goblin since he'd be the antagonist for the entire phase. I'd kill Gwen Stacy off During Avengers: Siege since killing her off too soon was a big part of what was wrong with TASM2. I'd make the first Phase 5 Spider-Man film about Norman getting the Goblin serum, then making the second take place after Siege where Norman and Gwen are both dead and the villain is the Hobgoblin.

And I'd make a point to introduce Norman Osborn in the first film, Eddie Brock in the second and Roderick Kingsley in the third or fourth. Cletus Cassady should also be a really minor villain in the second film like Joystick is in the first. The best part of a shared universe is that there can be a slow buildup since Carnage needs at least two prior films before he can show up. Green Goblin also should be saved for later since we already had two Spider-Man films with Green Goblin in them but at the same time I don't feel like Hobgoblin should show up until Norman Osborn has already been dealt with.