Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 3

[Venom'sDad]

I wouldn't want big bad already iut and about with no build up. Plus really most of his rouges shouldn't be villains or powered up yet with a spidey still fresh to the scene.

Agreed. Having the villain already powered with no build up origin or explanation would be weird.

Yeah....I think you're not understanding the angle of approach I'm speaking of...not in the villain full glory; much like Christopher Waltz character in "Inglorious Bastard".....his character was establish right from the offset of the film's opening scene. Thereafter, the title & a few opening credit, the film pick up with the main character & whatever going on around him.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I hope that this film helps lay the groundwork for the rumored Thunderbolts TV series. Start off with Joystick getting foiled robbing a bank in the first five minutes and then make Scorpion the bad guy.

Scorpion starts off as Spider-Man's rival who's developed by Oscorp and working for the NYPD. The Daily Bugle love him as opposed to Spider-Man since he's at least able to be held accountable to the authorities. The man who both Spider-Man and Scorpion are trying to apprehend is Shocker.

Scorpion rebels when he learns that his powers are killing him and Shocker actually joins forces with Spider-Man to stop him. Spider-Man doesn't let Shocker go and both of them are apprehended in a new SHIELD facility known as The Raft. After the credits, Shocker and Scorpion walk past Joystick on the way to their cell when they meet... Helmut Zemo as their new cellmate.

That sounds quite nice, Scorpion being the Anti Spider-Man like always, just don't have him be developed by Oscorp, more have him be an outside experiment (heck maybe by AIM, and set it up for the next one) and his tech could be AIM's bootleg from Oscorps tech

The second film needs to have Doc Ock, AIM and the Smythes and introduce the Venom symbiote and Eddie Brock but not have Venom actually appear until after the credits roll. I'm thinking two Spider-Man films per phase because Spider-Man is Marvel's most popular character. The second film should debut in late 2019 since nothing is slotted for that date yet.

Too much introducing future villains or adversarys, that was the main mistake the last time, may i recomend just have Ock and the Smythes, Peter maybe already wearing the suit and the movie being after IW.

The third film should obviously have Venom as the villain

Don't go directly to Venom, have someone like Kraven and make the third be a adaptation of Last Hunt, maybe at the end have Peter then take the suit off him (possibily due to the suit making him more neurotic, violent and heck maybe make him consider to kill Kraven) AND then close off Phase 4 with Venom.

If Marvel like my idea about Phase 5 being an adaptation of Dark Reign, then this is where I'd have Norman Osborn become the Green Goblin since he'd be the antagonist for the entire phase. I'd kill Gwen Stacy off During Avengers: Siege since killing her off too soon was a big part of what was wrong with TASM2. I'd make the first Phase 5 Spider-Man film about Norman getting the Goblin serum, then making the second take place after Siege where Norman and Gwen are both dead and the villain is the Hobgoblin.

Perfect, just perfect dude.

 

[Supa]

I would really like if they did the Marvel Knights and Spectacular route, and had most of the super villains be made as distractions for mob bosses and crooks to commit real crimes without Spidey on their back. It adds a bit of intrigue, you know? I think it'd be a great way to build a bigger bad for the trilogy, get the MCU another great bad guy.

The obvious choice would be Norman Osborn, but then most of the past Spidey films had the bad guy come from Oscorp. It could work for Kingpin though. Or maybe Norman is doing this as a private investment, try and take over the mob like he wanted to in the comics originally. I just always thought it was a neat plot point that added a lot of grey area to some pretty basic good vs evil conflicts. Spidey can't just ignore a supervillain running amock, but then this evil boss guy literally told him to his face that while he's fighting Rhino, they're extorting money down the street.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I would really like if they did the Marvel Knights and Spectacular route, and had most of the super villains be made as distractions for mob bosses and crooks to commit real crimes without Spidey on their back. It adds a bit of intrigue, you know? I think it'd be a great way to build a bigger bad for the trilogy, get the MCU another great bad guy.

The obvious choice would be Norman Osborn, but then most of the past Spidey films had the bad guy come from Oscorp. It could work for Kingpin though. Or maybe Norman is doing this as a private investment, try and take over the mob like he wanted to in the comics originally. I just always thought it was a neat plot point that added a lot of grey area to some pretty basic good vs evil conflicts. Spidey can't just ignore a supervillain running amock, but then this evil boss guy literally told him to his face that while he's fighting Rhino, they're extorting money down the street.

Or Robert Kingsley, if you want to go with someone similar to Norman, somewhat different and still somewhat sinister.

 

[ernesth100]

For Norman I want to see him in the first two films going crazy slowly. The next two he takes the serum and it starts to give him personality disorder and then he finally snaps and becomes Goblin.

 

[I'm Venom]

Introduce Brock in the first new Spider-Man coming up, he'll be the big bad of the trilogy. The first two films he'll have his own storyline, and we'll get to know him and his hatred of Parker/Spider-Man over a long period of time. At the end of the second film have him become Venom, and in the third film he'd obviously be the villain of the movie. Like others have said, Infinity War would be the best way.

 

[Webhead2006]

Venom I still for the big guys don't want them to be powered up or full evil right off the bat. Like I said before some guys I want to see build up and we see there fall and turn and we get to know the character then bam one min in film we have a doc ock or a goblin already been in action for awhile and we don't have any reason to care about said guy. The more normal crooks and lower powered guys like I brought up before we don't really need there whole spiel explained.

 

[I'm Venom]

I never once suggested that Venom would be evil or powered up right off the bat. I swear, it's like you don't ever read other people's posts before proceeding to repeat yourself again.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Tbh, I wouldn't want them to go anywhere too near villains we just got off doing. Venom, Doc Ock, and Goblin being a few to start.

If this new series is a trilogy, I'd love to see Kraven, Vulture, Mysterio, and Shocker. There's PLENTY we still haven't seen yet. No need to keep revisiting old ground. I do understand the importance of Norman, though, and wouldn't mind building that up rightly.

 

[venom892]

Tbh, I wouldn't want them to go anywhere too near villains we just got off doing. Venom, Doc Ock, and Goblin being a few to start.

If this new series is a trilogy, I'd love to see Kraven, Vulture, Mysterio, and Shocker. There's PLENTY we still haven't seen yet. No need to keep revisiting old ground. I do understand the importance of Norman, though, and wouldn't mind building that up rightly.

I agree. It's a shame ASM2 ruined Electro. He would have been a perfect introductory villain.

 

[spiderman2]

Tbh, I wouldn't want them to go anywhere too near villains we just got off doing. Venom, Doc Ock, and Goblin being a few to start.

If this new series is a trilogy, I'd love to see Kraven, Vulture, Mysterio, and Shocker. There's PLENTY we still haven't seen yet. No need to keep revisiting old ground. I do understand the importance of Norman, though, and wouldn't mind building that up rightly.

Yeah I want to see some villains we have yet to see and goblin as been in 3 of 5 movies and even 2 had the like harry becoming goblin side stuff going forward to 3 I mean. I would like to see ock again. It has already been almost 12 years sinces we saw him last and if lets say a sequel comes out in 2019 and we get him then that would be about 15 years. Nice avatar by the way zoom is sick on the flash.

 

[spiderman2]

I agree. It's a shame ASM2 ruined Electro. He would have been a perfect introductory villain.

I hope at some point in time we get electro again because I like him a lot but not for a while. Maybe say 20 years from now we could get him again.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I agree. It's a shame ASM2 ruined Electro. He would have been a perfect introductory villain.

Yeah. If only he was a pawn and skipped the origin. I love the way he's portrayed in the Ultimates. There from the beginning, threatening with his abilities. It's kind of how I want Shocker to be (if they use him).

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Yeah I want to see some villains we have yet to see and goblin as been in 3 of 5 movies and even 2 had the like harry becoming goblin side stuff going forward to 3 I mean. I would like to see ock again. It has already been almost 12 years sinces we saw him last and if lets say a sequel comes out in 2019 and we get him then that would be about 15 years. Nice avatar by the way zoom is sick on the flash.

I hope at some point in time we get electro again because I like him a lot but not for a while. Maybe say 20 years from now we could get him again.

Thanks! Just got it an hour ago. (Agreed, Zoom is no joke, lol)
But yeah, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see characters like Doc Ock, Goblin, and Electro again...especially if it means under the hands of Marvel. But I don't think we'll see them so immediately is my guess.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I still hope they start off with just one villain, while introducing some minor roles like Norman, Octavious. Build some of these bigger villains up over time. It's not like they need to become a villain right away.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I'm more for the narrow focus on one villain as well, but I don't think it would hurt if they utilized a smaller one to off-center Spider-Man. (e.g. Angel Dust in Deadpool)

 

[spiderman2]

Thanks! Just got it an hour ago. (Agreed, Zoom is no joke, lol)
But yeah, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see characters like Doc Ock, Goblin, and Electro again...especially if it means under the hands of Marvel. But I don't think we'll see them so immediately is my guess.

Yeah zoom is creepy with the mask and the voice and you cant take your eyes away when he shows up. Cant want for tomorrow episode. Yeah I don't think we will see villains like goblin, ock to soon and I think goblin needs the break the most but I hope its not to long before we see ock again. I would like to see some new villains first but at the same time I think most of the best villains have already been used. I would like to see kraven the most when it comes to un used villains. I would also like to see hydro man but he is kind of similar to sandman so I don't know if that would happened any time soon. Venom I would like to see the most when it comes to already used villains. I didn't mind his look in sm 3 but he needs a full movie to him self.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Zoom is Flash's Venom in the show.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Venom I still for the big guys don't want them to be powered up or full evil right off the bat. Like I said before some guys I want to see build up and we see there fall and turn and we get to know the character then bam one min in film we have a doc ock or a goblin already been in action for awhile and we don't have any reason to care about said guy. The more normal crooks and lower powered guys like I brought up before we don't really need there whole spiel explained.

HYeah, the big bads like Ock or Norman or Venom need build up over multiple films. Mysterio and Kraven and other one film villains warrant some manner of backstory and in Kraven's case, maybe show his decline to villainy. And then there's the small fish like Electro, Vulture, and Spot, who can really just show up with their powers for one fight with no needed backstory.

I agree. It's a shame ASM2 ruined Electro. He would have been a perfect introductory villain.

See above, there's still hope to see him again, just in a smaller role.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I'm not joking, but the best non origin introduction i remember for Electro was in Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I'm not joking, but the best non origin introduction i remember for Electro was in Ultimate Spider-Man.

The comics or cartoon?

 

[Webhead2006]

personally i rather do 2 villain format. So by the time 3rd film happens we could easily set up sinister 6 as third film as i brought up. Solo 1 and solo 2 we got head villain and a supporting secondary foe. Then by end of solo 1 and solo 2 said 4 guys are all locked up. Then come solo 3 we have 5th guy breaking out the other four from jail per request from the boss who could have been in the shadows for the other two films and there you go simple and ready to go developed characters and plot set up right there.

Also i brought this up before with spidey now apart of the mcu we cant think of this as 3 films and then we are done. As plot lines could be expanded on during films like civil war/infinity wars. Plus the chance i would hope for spidey or characters from his world to appear in AOS or netflix shows more so probably villains and what not but still. We got a whole big world to play with now then off on his own 3 films and then reboot, reboot reboot.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

It'll be interesting to see how Marvel utilizes Spider-Man in terms of how many standalones he gets. The only series that has "maxed" out is Iron Man with 3. Cap and Thor are about to get their third, too, but we still don't know if they're getting anymore after that. It's probably not in their agenda/blueprints.

But with Spider-Man, it's different. He's so young that after his third movie, I'm sure he'll be in more Marvel movies making appearances, but I bet they'll take advantage of his age and give him up to 4 standalones at the max.

That being said, if that's the case, there'll be a ton of room for potential villains.

 

[Dark Raven]

I want Kingpin in the background. He's already been established in DD, so we won't have to dwell on him too much. There could even be another mob boss involved who is a rival to Fisk. Then on top of that, there can be the main physical villain that Spider-Man fights.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya there is many ways things will go.