Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version) - Part 1

[Oscorp]

Keep Eddie and Flash seperated, please.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya flash as venom for all I know has no hate to spidey. But let's get brock done first. And then flash down the road.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Pretty neat, also Flash losing his legs in an accident due to Spidey fighting a baddie would be a good way to justify his hatred

I think you got Flash and Eddie confused, Bub. But substitute Eddie into your post, and that's just what I want to happen.

 

[Protar]

I think you got Flash and Eddie confused, Bub. But substitute Eddie into your post, and that's just what I want to happen.

Well in my outline there's no Eddie. Just Flash, with some of Eddie's attributes. He's Peter's high school bully, and admires Spidey, but then he loses his legs in an incident involving Spiderman and comes to hate him. I don't feel there's enough time to do justice to two different iterations of Venom and personally I find the Agent Venom stuff more interesting.

 

[Oscorp]

I'm not a fan of combining characters like that.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya don't need to mix characters brock and flash are two good separate guys. And if we are getting teen spidey to at least phase 4. Flash couldn't be venom yet.

 

[Protar]

It is true that my outline there was predicated upon a film every other year, or perhaps even less frequently then that. If they're doing a film a year as rumours suggest we could have the time for both possibly.

 

[Webhead2006]

I still doubt it be a solo spidey every yr after 17. Just wouldn't work out.

 

[Protar]

I still doubt it be a solo spidey every yr after 17. Just wouldn't work out.

Well the talk is they're doing a High School trilogy. As the MCU follows the real world timeline for the most part, that's only possible with a movie a year.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya we don't even know how sure that report is. Deadline wasn't 100% sure on it plus marvel doesn't really have a place to put something in 18 on top if the animated film out in 18.

Logically it makes more sense to be 17 19 21. And 19 film can be between marvel and inhumans. And we can still cover at least two films over hs setting. Cause again if they don't do back to back. Or if they take more then two yrs. No way we can get hs series out before actor is to old for hs setting. And again if solo films are following a different time then the mcu format. It again screws things up.

 

[Oscorp]

I doubt they'll go for one Spider-Man film a year. That should basically be impossible to do while meeting any kind of quality demand. It's unrealistic.

 

[Webhead2006]

Totally like I said shoot for 17 19 and 21. And if he is a freshmen go for freshmen and junior yrs. Or sophomore and senior yrs for films. Or maybe if they can do a late 2020 or early 21 release if they go freshmen wiggle in senoir yr for 3rd film.

But let's get back to the topic. Which is villains. So question like I brought up before who would want some minor characters to be used ala rhino was in asm 2 start. Something to be a starting scene or a minor scene in a montage footage of spidey taking guys out. If so. What minor villains would folks want to see.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Well in my outline there's no Eddie. Just Flash, with some of Eddie's attributes. He's Peter's high school bully, and admires Spidey, but then he loses his legs in an incident involving Spiderman and comes to hate him. I don't feel there's enough time to do justice to two different iterations of Venom and personally I find the Agent Venom stuff more interesting.

But if Flash hates Spidey and is a villain, then he isn't Agent Venom to begin with. I think they have plenty of time to do both versions right, espically if Peter gets the black suit in Infinity War.

 

[Frodo]

I'm for mixing lesser characters as long as it makes sense and its not a miss mash. For example if they had fused Electro and Shocker's powers to create a new villain for a film I wouldn't mind . If they combine elements of Liz Allen and Deborah Whitman , or even Betty Brant, to create a new love interest named Jenny, then I wouldn't mind. Even if you took several of the Hobgoblin's traits and gave them to one character who is the Hobgoblin, I'd be okay with it. However I think in the case of Flash and Eddie it works better if they are to distinct and separate characters.

Now if you made Eddie one of Peter's highschool bullies or something similar to the ultimate's version of Eddie Brock in which he's a teenager as opposed to an older character, I wouldn't mind. As long as it serves a purpose for the story and not just fan service or easter eggs.

 

[Webhead2006]

There is no need to do that. Spidey has a great rouges list and support cast. No reason or need to make silly changes like that.

 

[Frodo]

There is no need to do that. Spidey has a great rouges list and support cast. No reason or need to make silly changes like that.

Its not so much a question of need, alot of times its of practicality for the purpose of the script depending on what filmmakers want to do. Its been done before , sometimes successfully, sometimes not.

John Blake in TDKR was basically a composite of all the Robins that had been in the comics and was Nolan's way of basically creating his own character who was nevertheless in the spirit of what came before. Alot of fans didn't like it but that's what happened.

Raimi's MJ was in alot of ways a fusion of MJ and Gwen, though alot closer to Gwen than MJ. Mickey Rouke's villain in Iron Man 2 was a mix of two Iron Man seperate villains. Again whether it was satisfactory or not is in the eye the beholder, but its not unheard of comic book films. You're not always gonna get a 100% translation of storylines and characters from the comics to film regardless of what studio is producing it , so you will get composites and compromises occasionally.

That said, I agree with you that there are enough rogues which are distinct enough that you don't need to do a composite John Blake sort of thing.

 

[Webhead2006]

Still there is no need for stuff like that. We haven't seen alot of villains used. Let alone a good amount of supporting allies used in films yet. I would be greatly disapointed and pissed off if they did stuff like that. Now sure we could end up with some new made for movie guys ala raimi brother character hoffman. But no need to make up or mix up others.

 

[Pecola1]

From what I have seen there is NO evidence that they actually are doing a HS trilogy. Not only would it mean releasing a spider-man film every year, but that also means they would be released during the same year as he is in team up films. I'm not saying it's impossible, or even that it's completely unlikely, I'm just saying we can't assume that it will be a trilogy. Thus people can still feel free to discuss things as if it is or is not going to be a HS trilogy.
Personally I like the idea, but it looks like it may get too stuffed. If anyone can work something like that out though, it's Marvel.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Mind you, Venom fans such as me don't just want the alien symbiote: they want Brock. Eddie's obsession towards Peter/Spidey was what made the character. It was a perfect rivalry by all means. There's a reason why most Venom fans that are voting for that character think of Brock: he's the best host for the symbiote, by far. He's always fared first place in the majority of the character polls.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya folks seem to forget the deadline article only speculated that they heard Amy and Kevin plan was 3 or 4 film hs arc. Not that it will be thst. Again solo spidey has to follow mcu time scale. And if we can get 3 films out between 17 19 21. Two films fully in hs is plenty of time. Then his other phase 3 appearances can still play on teen life and teen stuff. Again this spidey won't be a teen forever and by phase 4 he should and most likely won't be a teen any more.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I think you got Flash and Eddie confused, Bub. But substitute Eddie into your post, and that's just what I want to happen.

If they can give an adequate reason for Brock's hatred like in TSSM cartoon then fine, but the traditional reason in comics sucked, he hated Spidey because he got exposed in a false article he wrote? Not really understandable

 

[Spiderdevil]

I still doubt it be a solo spidey every yr after 17. Just wouldn't work out.

It will be every 2/2.5 years, a 'high school movie for every year' probably means a movie for when Spidey is 15, 16, and 17 year old rather than a movie released every year

 

[Spiderdevil]

Totally like I said shoot for 17 19 and 21. And if he is a freshmen go for freshmen and junior yrs. Or sophomore and senior yrs for films. Or maybe if they can do a late 2020 or early 21 release if they go freshmen wiggle in senoir yr for 3rd film.

But let's get back to the topic. Which is villains. So question like I brought up before who would want some minor characters to be used ala rhino was in asm 2 start. Something to be a starting scene or a minor scene in a montage footage of spidey taking guys out. If so. What minor villains would folks want to see.

No Superpowered guys, maybe a powerless Aleksei Sytsevich or Shocker (Herman Schultz)

Foiling their Robbery attempt or something

 

[Spiderdevil]

Its not so much a question of need, alot of times its of practicality for the purpose of the script depending on what filmmakers want to do. Its been done before , sometimes successfully, sometimes not.

John Blake in TDKR was basically a composite of all the Robins that had been in the comics and was Nolan's way of basically creating his own character who was nevertheless in the spirit of what came before. Alot of fans didn't like it but that's what happened.

Raimi's MJ was in alot of ways a fusion of MJ and Gwen, though alot closer to Gwen than MJ. Mickey Rouke's villain in Iron Man 2 was a mix of two Iron Man seperate villains. Again whether it was satisfactory or not is in the eye the beholder, but its not unheard of comic book films. You're not always gonna get a 100% translation of storylines and characters from the comics to film regardless of what studio is producing it , so you will get composites and compromises occasionally.

That said, I agree with you that there are enough rogues which are distinct enough that you don't need to do a composite John Blake sort of thing.

John Blake was a terrible character, probably the worst character Nolan created, ridiculous casting too, Joseph Lewitt looked completely out of place

I think the combining character works for lesser know heroes supporting cast/Rogue like Iron Man
Likes Spidey and Batman have an iconic rogues gallery/supporting cast, while I am in favour of modifications, adding new powers or motivations (like they did in TSSM), I don't want any new major characters created

 

[Fruit Pastilles]

I'm 15 now, but I just noticed that if the solo film comes out in 2017, I'll be older than Spider-Man