Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version) - Part 1

[JOE]

I'm 15 now, but I just noticed that if the solo film comes out in 2017, I'll be older than Spider-Man

I'm 22, you're just a baby. Don't worry about it!

 

[Mike Murdock]

That's how I felt about Harry Potter. I read the first three books at the same time. During Prisoner of Azkhaban, I was Harry's age. In Goblet of Fire, that trend continued. Then I got older quicker than he did, which was disappointing.

 

[Fruit Pastilles]

Alright, just finished Daredevil and was extremely impressed with D'Onofrio's portrayal of Fisk. This is how I'd like to see the villains, including Fisk, handled in the first solo film.

Spider-Man: The New Avenger

In the aftermath of Civil War, never before have the citizens of not only New York, but of countries all over the world, felt as alienated from the tight-knit group of super-heroes formerly known as the Avengers as now. Despite the problems it caused and is causing, the Civil War event has led to the rise of a new entity among the group known as the Spider-Man. Peter Parker, a 15-year-old freshman in high school, has committed himself to a life of doing what both the NYPD and Avengers couldn't do: controlling the rising amount of street-level criminals and crime lords among Manhattan. Peter uses the powers he gained from an OZ exposed spider's bite (shown in flashbacks) to gain the upper-hand over these criminals under the secret identity of Spider-Man and soon enough, grabs the attention of the kingpin of crime himself, Hell's Kitchen's most feared man, Wilson Fisk.

Fisk, after spending much of the last year fighting a war against a masked vigilante known as Daredevil, puts their feud to the side temporarily and turns his attention towards Spidey, a new thorn in his side. Fisk underestimates his powers, rightfully so considering his adolescent look and crime-fighting history, and is soon forced to reach out to his Russian contacts and recruit famous big game hunter and undercover assassin, Sergei "Kraven" Kravinoff to handle the deed. Behind the scenes, we find out that Norman Osborn, desperately trying to revive a dying Oscorp, has been working with Fisk and been selling off classified intel in exchange for drug money. Also a part of the deal, Osborn has been selling samples of a new serum produced in Oscorp labs known to permanently enhance its users physical attributes to Fisk, behind the backs of Oscorp's scientists and board members. Kraven takes the serum and sets out to kill Spider-Man with his new found strength and speed capabilities. Unfortunately for Osborn, the remaining samples of the serum are mysteriously destroyed and the formula is lost. Instead of spending time and money re-producing it, he decides to abandon the project and improve the OZ/Goblin formula.

Kraven tracks down Spider-Man, and as usual, engages him in hand-to-hand combat. Kraven easily dismantles Spidey, who is humbled and left in a state of shock at the beastly physicality of the mammoth sized hunter. Right before Kraven attempts to strike the last killing blow to Peter, Spidey, using his web shooters, is able to buy himself enough time to escape. Kraven is disgusted by this, and as he's never failed to kill someone on his first attempt, his assassin identity is revealed and he is labeled as just another pawn of Fisk by the people of Hell's Kitchen.

Kravinoff, enraged by Spider-Man doing this, goes out again looking for him against Fisk's demands, and is attacked from behind by Spidey. They fight again and this time, with Peter more prepared, Kraven is defeated. Spidey, exhausted from this, pulls himself up, when he sees Fisk and a group of armed men walk into the warehouse where the fight occurred. Fisk starts toying with him, and in a repeat of Spidey's first fight with Kraven, he is left at the feet of his opponent.

Suddenly, as the Kingpin tells his men to finish off Spider-Man, Daredevil comes swinging down and fights off the men as Peter watches. DD quickly introduces himself to Spidey and assures him he's on his side, and a chase ensues between Fisk and Spidey with Daredevil. By the end, Fisk is arrested, and Kraven is considered dead, while in reality, he gets away and flees back home to Russia. There his obsession with Spider-Man grows and his ultimate plan is concocted. In the second solo film, we see the rise of the Green Goblin or Venom, and finally in the third movie, we get a twist similar to Iron Man 3 or Star Trek Into Darkness where Kraven returns and concludes his story in Spider-Man: The Last Hunt.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

"Spiderman: the new avenger" is one of the worst CBM titles I've ever heard. If one really felt the need to tie spiderman to the avengers that heavily then why not call it "The Avenging Spider-man" like the comic? Sounds way cooler and less forced. Spider-man: The New Avenger sounds like like an 8 page tie in comic that you'd get out the bottom of your box of frosted flakes.

 

[Webhead2006]

No no when I talked about minor threats to take out in a minute I meant folks like grizzly leapfrog white rabbit etc... would folks like to see minor guys like that used for opening scenes montage type scenes.

 

[I'm Batman.]

How much freedom does each side have with taking characters from the other? Because if we were to have Kingpin in the Spidey movie, it would need to be a very supportive villain role.

 

[Oscorp]

Alright, just finished Daredevil and was extremely impressed with D'Onofrio's portrayal of Fisk. This is how I'd like to see the villains, including Fisk, handled in the first solo film.

Spider-Man: The New Avenger

In the aftermath of Civil War, never before have the citizens of not only New York, but of countries all over the world, felt as alienated from the tight-knit group of super-heroes formerly known as the Avengers as now. Despite the problems it caused and is causing, the Civil War event has led to the rise of a new entity among the group known as the Spider-Man. Peter Parker, a 15-year-old freshman in high school, has committed himself to a life of doing what both the NYPD and Avengers couldn't do: controlling the rising amount of street-level criminals and crime lords among Manhattan. Peter uses the powers he gained from an OZ exposed spider's bite (shown in flashbacks) to gain the upper-hand over these criminals under the secret identity of Spider-Man and soon enough, grabs the attention of the kingpin of crime himself, Hell's Kitchen's most feared man, Wilson Fisk.

Fisk, after spending much of the last year fighting a war against a masked vigilante known as Daredevil, puts their feud to the side temporarily and turns his attention towards Spidey, a new thorn in his side. Fisk underestimates his powers, rightfully so considering his adolescent look and crime-fighting history, and is soon forced to reach out to his Russian contacts and recruit famous big game hunter and undercover assassin, Sergei "Kraven" Kravinoff to handle the deed. Behind the scenes, we find out that Norman Osborn, desperately trying to revive a dying Oscorp, has been working with Fisk and been selling off classified intel in exchange for drug money. Also a part of the deal, Osborn has been selling samples of a new serum produced in Oscorp labs known to permanently enhance its users physical attributes to Fisk, behind the backs of Oscorp's scientists and board members. Kraven takes the serum and sets out to kill Spider-Man with his new found strength and speed capabilities. Unfortunately for Osborn, the remaining samples of the serum are mysteriously destroyed and the formula is lost. Instead of spending time and money re-producing it, he decides to abandon the project and improve the OZ/Goblin formula.

Kraven tracks down Spider-Man, and as usual, engages him in hand-to-hand combat. Kraven easily dismantles Spidey, who is humbled and left in a state of shock at the beastly physicality of the mammoth sized hunter. Right before Kraven attempts to strike the last killing blow to Peter, Spidey, using his web shooters, is able to buy himself enough time to escape. Kraven is disgusted by this, and as he's never failed to kill someone on his first attempt, his assassin identity is revealed and he is labeled as just another pawn of Fisk by the people of Hell's Kitchen.

Kravinoff, enraged by Spider-Man doing this, goes out again looking for him against Fisk's demands, and is attacked from behind by Spidey. They fight again and this time, with Peter more prepared, Kraven is defeated. Spidey, exhausted from this, pulls himself up, when he sees Fisk and a group of armed men walk into the warehouse where the fight occurred. Fisk starts toying with him, and in a repeat of Spidey's first fight with Kraven, he is left at the feet of his opponent.

Suddenly, as the Kingpin tells his men to finish off Spider-Man, Daredevil comes swinging down and fights off the men as Peter watches. DD quickly introduces himself to Spidey and assures him he's on his side, and a chase ensues between Fisk and Spidey with Daredevil. By the end, Fisk is arrested, and Kraven is considered dead, while in reality, he gets away and flees back home to Russia. There his obsession with Spider-Man grows and his ultimate plan is concocted. In the second solo film, we see the rise of the Green Goblin or Venom, and finally in the third movie, we get a twist similar to Iron Man 3 or Star Trek Into Darkness where Kraven returns and concludes his story in Spider-Man: The Last Hunt.

While there are some few details I don't agree with (such as Kraven getting his enhancement serum/potion from Osborn/Oscorp instead of the other way around, or planning for Venom in the second film already), I must say that I overall like this. I like the idea of having Kraven return, sort of making him one of the trilogy's main villains. It would be unexpected, fresh and it has loads of potential. Kraven is one of my favourite comic book villains, I can totally see it work and see him become a very popular villain.

 

[Fruit Pastilles]

While there are some few details I don't agree with (such as Kraven getting his enhancement serum/potion from Osborn/Oscorp instead of the other way around, or planning for Venom in the second film already), I must say that I overall like this. I like the idea of having Kraven return, sort of making him one of the trilogy's main villains. It would be unexpected, fresh and it has loads of potential. Kraven is one of my favourite comic book villains, I can totally see it work and see him become a very popular villain.

Honestly, I don't read the comics, or have only started at least, so my knowledge extends to what I read on Marvel Wikia and heard from people on forums.

The reason I decided Kraven should take serums from Oscorp is because taking jungle elixirs he got from a Russian voodoo witch would look kind of silly on the big screen. I thought I could try out a little modern twist on it. Also, I based my idea on the fact that we may get four movies, so it would go:

Spider-Man: The New Avenger (Kraven and Kingpin)
Spider-Man: Green Goblin
Spider-Man: The Last Hunt (Kraven's Last Hunt)
Spider-Man: Venom

Avengers: Dark Reign (Norman Osborn)
Avengers: Maximum Carnage (Carnage)

 

[Oscorp]

Honestly, I don't read the comics, or have only started at least, so my knowledge extends to what I read on Marvel Wikia and heard from people on forums.

The reason I decided Kraven should take serums from Oscorp is because taking jungle elixirs he got from a Russian voodoo witch would look kind of silly on the big screen. I thought I could try out a little modern twist on it. Also, I based my idea on the fact that we may get four movies, so it would go:

Spider-Man: The New Avenger (Kraven and Kingpin)
Spider-Man: Green Goblin
Spider-Man: The Last Hunt (Kraven's Last Hunt)
Spider-Man: Venom

Avengers: Dark Reign (Norman Osborn)
Avengers: Maximum Carnage (Carnage)

Yeah, it's good to modernise the material. However, I think it would be really cool for Kraven's potions to have the origin they have in the comics. The film doesn't need to show Calypso making them. It would add some exciting elements to the film.

 

[Fruit Pastilles]

Yeah, it's good to modernise the material. However, I think it would be really cool for Kraven's potions to have the origin they have in the comics. The film doesn't need to show Calypso making them. It would add some exciting elements to the film.

I suppose it would. Easier to explain than Osborn mysteriously losing all samples of the serum and having to go back to the weaker Goblin formula.

 

[Fruit Pastilles]

Who would you guys cast as Kraven the Hunter?

My favoured pick would have been Jason Momoa, he's perfect for it, but considering he's going to play a large role as Aquaman in the DCCU, they'll have to go for someone else.

 

[Webhead2006]

From what it looks like marvel can use the spidey world of characters all they want. But if any non spidey related marvel guys show up in solo film it has to be agreed on. But who really knows how this whacky deal will play out.


Kraven in my mind for the past decade, and who would still be good now. Is oded fehr who is only 44 currently. He I think would be solid in the role.

 

[Fruit Pastilles]

From what it looks like marvel can use the spidey world of characters all they want. But if any non spidey related marvel guys show up in solo film it has to be agreed on. But who really knows how this whacky deal will play out.


Kraven I in my mind last decade and who would still be good. And he is only 44 currently. It is oded fehr. He I think would be solid in the role.

Dude what the **** are you saying? I can never understand you.

 

[Sex]

 

[Oscorp]

From what it looks like marvel can use the spidey world of characters all they want. But if any non spidey related marvel guys show up in solo film it has to be agreed on. But who really knows how this whacky deal will play out.


Kraven I in my mind last decade and who would still be good. And he is only 44 currently. It is oded fehr. He I think would be solid in the role.

I know you've said you post by phone that auto-corrects or something, but I mostly skip your posts completely because they are so hard to read and understand. I'm not saying this to be rude or anything, just a friendly advice that you should check your posts before posting them.

By the way, your post count must be the record in these boards! :P

 

[Webhead2006]

Come on guys all I was saying i have always liked. since seeing the mummy movies that oded fehr was perfect for kraven. How dam hard was that to get come on.

As for my post count I been at the board since 06 and was pretty active to about a yr almost 2 yrs ago. So ya that is why I have a huge count. On top of when board get super active counts can get pretty high pretty quick.

 

[James.Bartlett]

I cannot answer this question specifically as I have so many opinions but, if I was following my primary instinct, I would go for Green Goblin.

Firstly, I'd like to state that my favourite villain, from the Spider-Man comics, is either: Shocker, Venom or Carnage - probably Shocker - but I don't think they would be best fitted for playing the role of a main villain, especially in the first film of a new reboot.

Personally, I couldn't quite figure out whether I'd want to vote for Green Goblin, Kraven the Hunter, Doctor Octopus or Scorpion therefore, I chose without thinking about it and I'd definitely agree with the outcome of Green Goblin.

I think the important thing to set straight is Spider-Man's main enemy and I think that, one-hundred percent, Green Goblin is the one to go with. In the comics, Green Goblin is the reason for Gwen's death and, even before that, they have constantly figured out a way to have the two engineered humans at each other's throats.

How would they go about doing this? Now, I think Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin was a nail hit on the head. His laugh, his personality and, most of all, his words were really - in my opinion - a perfect way of how the Green Goblin should be on the big screen. One thing I would probably change about Willem Dafoe's villain would be the costume. The costume would make me fear the villain a lot less - he needs to be more menacing and more goblin-like instead of just looking... naked.

I found the below image on Google images whilst trying to search for an ideal look for the Green Goblin and I think this image shows what I would want the Goblin to look like. The costume in Sam Raimi's film had potential, but it looked too smooth but, with a little urgency and sharpness to it, it could be turned into something... perfect.

 

[Webhead2006]

Personally I said it before I don't want some robo suit or hulking out monster form. This go around for goblin. Again if we get something like winter solider and cap a more suit suit type deal. That is Kevlar enhanced or something for body protection. And a helmet/mask for mask deal is what I want. I would hate to see goblin boned 3 times in a row.

 

[James.Bartlett]

Personally I said it before I don't want some robo suit or hulking out monster form. This go around for goblin. Again if we get something like winter solider and cap a more suit suit type deal. That is Kevlar enhanced or something for body protection. And a helmet/mask for mask deal is what I want. I would hate to see goblin boned 3 times in a row.

Personally, I think, if the Goblin was attired like the Winter Soldier, he'd look too ... petty. The Goblin needs to be menacing - he needs to look like something dark and, let's say, delirious as opposed to an assassin.

 

[Webhead2006]

You can still do that and not be forced into hulk out or armored suit. I would really like to see 616 look finally get adapted right. And just drop elf half for what tssm did or take a page from hobgoblin and green arrow and do hood.

 

[Oscorp]

Come on guys all I was saying i have always liked. since seeing the mummy movies that oded fehr was perfect for kraven. How dam hard was that to get come on.

As for my post count I been at the board since 06 and was pretty active to about a yr almost 2 yrs ago. So ya that is why I have a huge count. On top of when board get super active counts can get pretty high pretty quick.

Easy now, an angry reaction is uncalled for. I was talking about your posts in general and told you because as far as I've seen, others have pointed at how hard it is to read most of your posts because of spelling and grammar. I told you for your own sake. It's only your own loss, really.

 

[James.Bartlett]

You can still do that and not be forced into hulk out or armored suit. I would really like to see 616 look finally get adapted right. And just drop elf half for what tssm did or take a page from hobgoblin and green arrow and do hood.

The hood could be a good addition. What if he was to actually become a Goblin? Like, he doesn't turn into a beast but a human-sized Goblin / Elf hybrid? That could be cool.

 

[Webhead2006]

I am sorry oscorp.

As for mutation to goblin I still don't want that. I just like him to be a normal crazy guy altered by drugs in a suit. That looks more like the classic/current looks. Goblin any of them isn't that hard if a design. It sucks they haven't gotten them more right.

As for with marvel in the picture now. I think we can get that. Say what you will of the story for villains in the movies. They have at least got there looks more right in the marvel studios films.

 

[Web-Head]

I say Mysterio in the first film, maybe with Shocker or another minor villain in it as well. Maybe Kraven in the 2nd film and then Doc Ock in the 3rd. If there's a 4th, have Goblin show up.

 

[James.Bartlett]

I am sorry oscorp.

As for mutation to goblin I still don't want that. I just like him to be a norman crazy guy alters in a suit. That looks more like the classic/current looks. Goblin any of them isn't that hard if a design. It sucks they haven't gotten them more right.

As for with marvel in picture now. I think we can get that. Say what you will of the story for villains in the movies. They have at least got there looks more right in the marvel studios films.

Alright, so let's take this conversation onto a different track. If Green Goblin was to be the villain in the reboot, would you want it to be Norman or Harry? Because, if we go with Norman, we'd need a great character but it would be hard to beat Willem Dafoe. Plus, with it starting out as Norman, we could go the same route as having Harry take on the character in a later film. What do you think?