Vanguard07 said:
Nitro is responsible for those deaths no matter how hard you claim otherwise. Yes he was physically threatened, yes he was attacked in his home but he was a wanted criminal with numerous warrants for arrest.
And they're the law...how? And yes, he pulled the trigger, but who was stupid enough to put a hostage in front of the goddamed gun?
Vanguard07 said:
When the new warriors attacked he could have surrendered peacefully. He knew damn well that there were civilians in the area and he chose to blow the hell up anyway.
They knew he wasn't going to just turn over. Or else they wouldn't have invaded that home. Hard for press that way. And THEY knew there were civilians in the area, and that his power was to blow stuff up. So once again, yeah, he blows up, but who's dumb enough to put that many people in his blast range? Apparently the New Warriors.
Vanguard07 said:
Also the violence WAS necessary on the New Warriors parts anyway. They knew who nitro was. They knew what he was capable of and in an attempt to bring him in it would have been simply too dangerous to leave him conscious and able to access his powers.
And they still attacked him in the middle of a quiet, very populated neighborhood next to a school. Hmm... Good heroics on their part. The whole lack of thinking and all. He wasn't blowing people up as long as he was left alone. Smart heros (like Tony) lead these people, or even ambush these people AWAY from populated areas.
Such as, he was getting in a car. They could've let him drive for a while, letting him thing he got away, then suprise attacked him again, rendering him unconcious. THAT would've been a proper use a force. Their use of force was all for the cameras. So innocent kids died for their vanity.
Vanguard07 said:
If a guy walks into a bank wearing 100 pounds of explosives do you think the police in an arrest attempt would just put cuffs on him and leave the bomb in his possession?
The cops know better than to flat out ambush this guy when they can talk him down. Bad comparison.
Vanguard07 said:
And it's not like they have the capability to remove Nitro's powers. The only way of disarming him would be to render him unconscious. Which they tried. Their crime was being too slow. Nitro's crime was mass murder.
Exactly. That means you think smarter.
And Namorita monolouging against him, while having him IN HER HANDS wasn't trying that hard to render him unconcious.
Vanguard07 said:
The new warriors were attempting to apprehend known and dangerous criminals. Their reasons for it were partly due to glory seeking probably about as much as police do the same for money. It's part of their motivations yes but there's also the desire to do the right thing and protect people.
Or due primarily to glory seeking. They could've easily picked a much more stable, much less dangerous target.
And they protected a whole BUNCH of innocent people by making sure they were smack dab in the middle of the battleground.
Vanguard07 said:
And it doesnt bother you at all that Iron Man was out hunting down heroes litterally 1 minute after the registration act was passed?
And while i dont have the issue on hand i seem to remember that Iron Man wasnt the only person at the scene. There were also several officers on hand who werent just asking him to calm down and go home they were there to arrest him.
Since his job went into effect immediately after signing the act? Not really. It's his job.
Yeah, cops do a good job at keeping civvies at bay while the potential threat that Prodigy represented was at hand.
Vanguard07 said:
and my statement that Iron man is up there with Red Skull seems to be lost on you. I never said he was pushing for some master race. He's doing something different but just as evil. He's manipulating, betraying and hunting down his friends whom he's shared adventures dangers and hardships with.
People who are like brothers to him who regularly go out and risk their lives to protect others with no thought of reward.
Nah, I figured I'd throw words in your mouth.
And what he's doing is somehow the same as racial purification through mass genocide?
I don't even know WHERE you got that from.
He's not betraying his friends. He's TRIED to talk them into it, tried to reason, and tried to plead in some cases. If they don't listen, he still has to do the right thing. Like I said, my friend kills someone, they're my friend, but I'll still turn their ass in.
And one of his teammates is Luke Cage Hero for Hire, and another is Spider Woman, who has more tangled webs than the whole team put together. The only person on that team who does what's right simply to do it is Captain America. And I guess Spider Man, though it's really his job now.
Vanguard07 said:
Look at his track record so far. He's hired a known terrorist (the titanium man) to attack a political meeting and fight with his friend, WITHOUT telling that friend. He knowingly put the lives of Peter and dozens of innocent bystanders in danger.
The Titanium Man was bad. Very bad. He knew that Pete could easily handle someone like that with the new armor with limited to no casualties. Though he was probably hoping there'd be one or two to drive the point home about registration, and the danger unchecked vigilantes could have. But still an underhanded move.
Vanguard07 said:
Later he puts together a strike force almost entirely designed to capture Captain Friggin America! as well as whomever else may have sided Cap.
Or any superhuman that decides to go against registration. Cap just happens to represent them.
Vanguard07 said:
He manipulated Spiderman into publically unmasking putting his friends and family in immediate and extreme danger.
Not really manipulated. He asked him to do it. And his wife and aunt basically told Pete it was the right thing to do, since regular everyday heros had the same problem.
Vanguard07 said:
He publically announced that A) Spiderman was going to be working with Tony to bring in heros which Pete knew nothing about and he KNEW Pete wouldnt want to do
and B) Announced that he had the secret identities of hundreds of heroes and that he would out them if they didnt out themselves. (entirely cutting out the supposed option of simply retiring and basically holding their identities for ransom)
Pete agreed to work with Tony no matter what. So even if he didn't want to do it, Tony sure wasn't forcing him.
And he didn't threaten to out them to the public. He threatened to turn them over to the government. Which doesn' tmatter since SHIELD already has those names probably.
Vanguard07 said:
These are just a few of the highlights which dont even touch on the questionable acts Iron Man has been performing in his own title.
Such as creating a robotic strike force to streamline busting bad guys more efficiently?
But him getting hacked wasn't really his fault. Though I'm absolutely sure that you'll say it was his choice to take Extremis to save his own life and pursue a bad guy against all odds, so it's his fault someone hacked him. In which case, he didn't even know his system could be accessed, and chances are it's not him in a bathroom doing this to himself in a prison cell.
Vanguard07 said:
At it's core the Registration act might be a good idea and Tony supporting it might not seem all that bad but the execution of that idea couldnt be further from what's right and Tony's means of supporting it ARE entirely wrong.
What would be the right way of rounding up potential threats? Gift baskets don't work.
