Sequels Who would you bring back: Green Goblin or Doc Ock?

[Spiderine]

The Goblin saga has concluded. No need to continue with Norman and Harry.

 

[TomPiltoff]

Exactly, even though Ock may appear dead, nobody knows for sure. I mean he probably won't return, but he sure has a chance.

The only sense that we don't know Doc Ock is dead is that he's a fictional character. The same way we can say 'nobody knows if he'll return' we can say 'nobody knows if the teletubbies will be the villains in Spider-Man 4'.

If you use logic and reasoning you know the teletubbies won't be in Spidey 4, the same way we know Ock is dead.

 

[Hectorminator]

And yet you complain about how much Spider-Man 2 focused on Peter Parker.

Dude, read my posts over a few times before you hastily respond to them. I was saying that Spider-Man 2 was brilliant because it focused more on Peter Parker, Spider-Man, than any superhero movie has focused on their hero up to that point.

I was praising Spider-Man 2 for focusing on Peter. Slow down next time.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The only sense that we don't know Doc Ock is dead is that he's a fictional character. The same way we can say 'nobody knows if he'll return' we can say 'nobody knows if the teletubbies will be the villains in Spider-Man 4'.

If you use logic and reasoning you know the teletubbies won't be in Spidey 4, the same way we know Ock is dead.

Your not going to convince everyone Doc is dead... the fans are split down the middle on this... you might think you are right along with the other half of people... but the half that believes that Doc might come back think you guys are wrong... lets just leave it at that.

 

[TomPiltoff]

OK, my mistake about the Spider-Man 2 comment.

Your not going to convince everyone Doc is dead... the fans are split down the middle on this... you might think you are right along with the other half of people... but the half that believes that Doc might come back think you guys are wrong... lets just leave it at that.

I don't claim to have any solid, inarguable proof that Doc Ock is dead. But my argument, which is that his story arc is completed and died a heros death, does appear to make more sense than any argument for his survival.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

OK, my mistake about the Spider-Man 2 comment.

I don't claim to have any solid, inarguable proof that Doc Ock is dead. But my argument, which is that his story arc is completed and died a heros death, does appear to make more sense than any argument for his survival.

Thank you. While everyone has given plenty of ways Ock could come back in practical terms (all of which still sound like cheating to me; the rules of people coming back to life are far different than they are in comics and soap operas, people), I have yet to hear any overwhelming evidence as to why he should come back.

 

[Blader5489]

Thank you. While everyone has given plenty of ways Ock could come back in practical terms (all of which still sound like cheating to me; the rules of people coming back to life are far different than they are in comics and soap operas, people), I have yet to hear any overwhelming evidence as to why he should come back.

For the Sinister Six, of course.

 

[Visionary]

I can't wait until the good Doctor returns. I'm one who believes that he should come back. There just wasn't enough of him in SM2, I'd like to see something much better written, with even better action, and ol' Ocky has plenty of great stories without using Sinister Six.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I can't wait until the good Doctor returns. I'm one who believes that he should come back. There just wasn't enough of him in SM2, I'd like to see something much better written, with even better action, and ol' Ocky has plenty of great stories without using Sinister Six.

Ock had a very good amount of screen time in Spider-Man 2. Anyway, as I said before, Ock has a good chance of not returning though. I mean, he basically drowned to death. Though, this is a comic book film and in comics a Villian pretty much always returns. However, this is not a comic book and somethings may not work out as good as it would in the comics. I'm not just jumping to conclusions though because if I remember correctly, Sam said that Ock isn't dead and it was hinted on the special features of Spidey2 at the end of the Ock-umentary.

 

[Visionary]

I said I want more Ocky...I shouldn't have to repeat myself...now get me more Ocky!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I said I want more Ocky...I shouldn't have to repeat myself...now get me more Ocky!

Lol, Visionary, your too much. t:

 

[Jick]

Ock had a very good amount of screen time in Spider-Man 2. Anyway, as I said before, Ock has a good chance of not returning though. I mean, he basically drowned to death. Though, this is a comic book film and in comics a Villian pretty much always returns. However, this is not a comic book and somethings may not work out as good as it would in the comics. I'm not just jumping to conclusions though because if I remember correctly, Sam said that Ock isn't dead and it was hinted on the special features of Spidey2 at the end of the Ock-umentary.

agreed. I think he has 0 chance of returning.
he was perfect in SM2...had an entire movie for him, his story was great, he died as a hero. he turned good at the end. there's no point in bringing him back. and the other villains deserve a chance of screen time.

 

[The Joker]

Ock did not die a hero. Rectifying your own mistakes doesn't make you a hero.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ock did not die a hero. Rectifying your own mistakes doesn't make you a hero.

Very true, Ock just was convinced by Peter and decided to do the right thing.

 

[The Joker]

Very true, Ock just was convinced by Peter and decided to do the right thing.

That's not what I mean. And, that's not what happened, either. Ock volunteered to drown it. Spidey was going to do it, but Ock stopped him.

I mean correcting your own mistakes doesn't make you a hero. Ock created the danger.

Spider-Man isn't called a hero because he's going around cleaning up his own messes, is he? No. He's a hero because he selflessly puts himself on the line for other people's bad deeds.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's not what I mean. And, that's not what happened, either. Ock volunteered to drown it. Spidey was going to do it, but Ock stopped him.

I mean correcting your own mistakes doesn't make you a hero. Ock created the danger.

Spider-Man isn't called a hero because he's going around cleaning up his own messes, is he? No. He's a hero because he selflessly puts himself on the line for other people's bad deeds.

I applaud you for a great post.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Surprisingly, I wold say Ock. We've had two Goblins already and Willem has been in each of the films. I want to see Otto leading the Sinister Six.

But much love to the Goblin.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

The only thing that keeps me from thinking that Ock probably won't return is that nobody can survive drowning. However, if Ock was to return, I would love to see a tentacle rise up out of the water first. It would give us chills.

 

[TomPiltoff]

Oh god now we're going to pretend that the semantics of what to call Doc Ocks final actions might make his return a little more palatable? Keep dreaming. Hero, redeemed, however you want to describe his death, it completed his arc.

 

[Jick]

Ock did not die a hero. Rectifying your own mistakes doesn't make you a hero.

let's say he didn't die a hero...but he died as a good man.
that's the main reason why he shouldn't be back.

and did you take your posts from Ock/Joker Fan or something?

 

[The Joker]

let's say he didn't die a hero...but he died as a good man.
that's the main reason why he shouldn't be back.

And where did you see me say he should come back?

and did you take your posts from Ock/Joker Fan or something?

Are you looking to start an arguement? Didn't you have enough in the Venom thread, or are you just a glutton for punishment?

I assume that's someone on the almighty Sony boards where you hail from. I've been solely on these forums for over 4 years, and have been saying the same thing about Ock's death ever since Spider-Man 2 came out. The long term members here can attest to that. I'm not so pathetic or stupid that I cannot form my own opinions without mimicking someone elses.

If anything, your little pal on the Sony boards has probably been imitating my posts. Wouldn't be the first time we've had clones around here. So, go and ask him. I remember you asked Visionary if he was someone from the Sony boards

 

[DoctorJones]

I mean correcting your own mistakes doesn't make you a hero. Ock created the danger.

I think Frank Miller once said if you do the right thing, you're a hero.

 

[The Joker]

I think Frank Miller once said if you do the right thing, you're a hero.

Then Frank Miller is wrong.

If that was true, then we'd all be heros in some way. Fixing your own mistakes makes you decent. Noble. Responsible.

Not a hero.

 

[Mercurius]

I think Frank Miller once said if you do the right thing, you're a hero.

Even if it's really a Miller remark, you know he's famous for not much orthodox heros.

 

[Visionary]

I've seen good men go bad in a blink of an eye, I good writer could easily come up with a scenario to make him want to do bad things. I'm pretty sure even Hitler has done some good things in his life.

We all seem to be pretty much settled in what we want concerning Doc Ock's return, and no one is gonna change anyone's mind. We'll see what happens in future Spidey films.