Whoa! Where'd you come from?

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Has anybody noticed how when Xavier, Storm and Logan arrive at Jean's house, Magneto and his goons are already there, and they parked in front of the house.... shouldn't they have seen them and said something about it? I don't know, it just seems really sudden and awkward.

You know what they could have done? Magneto and his bubble with the rest on metal platforms or something.

Would have made a very interesting entrance don't you think?

 

[flavio_lebeau]

This is the kind of thing I easily forgive. X1 and X2 are full of it. As I said before, it's not those silly little things that make me hate X3 sometimes (most times). It's the bigger, way more important problems in it...

 

[BobJM]

I've thought about that ever since on I saw it on opening day. Just because we don't initially see the Brotherhood because of the camera angle doesn't mean that Logan or Storm or Xavier shouldn't have seen them. I mean, they are only about 10 feet away.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Exactly.

 

[Seen]

It was lazy filmmaking. A better alternative would have been Magneto and his Brotherhood hiding in an underbrush and then Magneto saying something offscreen, such as "I'm not too late, am I?", and then coming out with Juggernaut, Callisto and everyone else. Or Magneto sitting on the porch bench and everyone coming out from the underbrushes.

At times I still can't believe how half-ass and ridiculous X3 is in terms of execution. Even the most simplistic thing, like a camera angle, is done poorly, and it further extentuates the difference in quality from X-MEN and X2 to X3.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Hey, a big entrance could add a freaking plus point. I mean entrance scenes are always fun to watch if done better than this.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

This is the kind of thing I easily forgive. X1 and X2 are full of it. As I said before, it's not those silly little things that make me hate X3 sometimes (most times). It's the bigger, way more important problems in it...

Yea, I've thought of that, but in the end, I agree with this quote right here.

Movies do this kind of thing ALL THE TIME.

Again, sometimes storytelling has to put the story before 100% realism and logic. That shot was for the AUDIENCE, so that WE didn't realize that the Brotherhood was there yet.

 

[the a1ant]

The thing that really messes that scene is that Storm looks directly at the house like nothings there. If she didn't glance at it first, then it wouldn't have been as weird, lol.

A minor mistake though.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

A minor mistake though.

Yup, a minor mistake.

Hardly a knock against the quality of the film one way or another.

 

[chaseter]

Hey, a big entrance could add a freaking plus point. I mean entrance scenes are always fun to watch if done better than this.

Agreed...a good entrance is great. I mean Mags and his hood is standing in the front yard when they others pull up in their car right in front of the house. The Brotherhood members could have been staked out in opposing yards. For instance...Xavier pulls up in his car with Wolverine and Storm. They get out, look around and see nobody. The light poles bend down, the mail box bends, all metal in the area bends and Mags levitates down in the front yard. We then see Callisto standing against a tree with one leg against it and she walks over to Mags. Quills steps out from behind a fence and Juggernaut moves a van out of the way that is impeding his b-line to Magneto. They then gather around him and the scene proceeds as is.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I will say that I didn't think much of it at first. I feel it would've been nice if Logan sniffed them or Storm spotted them beforehand. Yes, it does seem a bit awkward to the point that neither Xavier, Logan, or Storm spotted them while arriving at Jeans house.

But in hindsight they could've been hiding for all we know and then they surprised them by showing up.

Keep in mind that I'm not defending this film. I still hate it with an absolute passion.

 

[X-Maniac]

Interesting points, but as no review has mentioned this to my knowledge, and it’s now only being raised a year after the movie’s release, it obviously wasn’t an immediate concern nor a glaring error. No one asked how Mags and Mystique got around after his prison break in X2 (the novelisation has them in a magnetically flying limousine!!!).

It might have been nice to see Magneto create a mode of transport for himself and his Brotherhood from metal struts bent into a giant sphere, or soimething like that, but that then negates the bridge scene as we saw it (why need to use the bridge for transport if he had other means). Modes of transport should have been considered in order to account for questions such as this. In the Evo cartoon, Magneto transported his cohorts in individual metal spheres, though i doubt that is what’s meant to have happened in the movie.

It does seem that if we had Magneto transporting himself and his Brotherhood around, (in a metal sphere or something) then the bridge should really have been kept as an escape route from Alcatraz mutant prison (as in the original script) and the final battle in Washington or SF.

 

[danoyse]

This is the kind of thing I easily forgive. X1 and X2 are full of it. As I said before, it's not those silly little things that make me hate X3 sometimes (most times). It's the bigger, way more important problems in it...

Exactly. It's like asking why Bobby's parents never noticed a new car in their driveway when they came home in X2.

 

[Storm22]

I have noticed this alright. It is minor though.

Also if you notice, Storm could still be glancing at the house without the others standing there. Magneto walks up to the X-Men from the side and then it cuts to the house where we see the rest of the Brotherhood walking into the garden and taking their positions. They probably weren't there when Storm looked at the house.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Exactly. It's like asking why Bobby's parents never noticed a new car in their driveway when they came home in X2.

If I remember correctly if you listen closely you hear Bobby's dad talking about it. I could be wrong, but I believe you hear him say something about it.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

It's not that big a deal, I just paid a little too much attention to that scene. Haha.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If I remember correctly if you listen closely you hear Bobby's dad talking about it. I could be wrong, but I believe you hear him say something about it.

He never actually says anything about the car. All he says is "Ronnie, next time you..." and then gets cut off by the surprise of Wolverine drinking a beer in his kitchen.

I do believe that the father's cut off line is an attempt to say something about the car, but there's no evidence to side with that.

 

[Theweepeople]

Has anybody noticed how when Xavier, Storm and Logan arrive at Jean's house, Magneto and his goons are already there, and they parked in front of the house.... shouldn't they have seen them and said something about it? I don't know, it just seems really sudden and awkward.

You know what they could have done? Magneto and his bubble with the rest on metal platforms or something.

Would have made a very interesting entrance don't you think?

I agree it was lazy filmmaking but it didn't bother me that much. There are so many other things about that part of the film that bothered me:

How did Xavier know Jean was her parents home if cerebro was destroyed?

Did the brotherhood and X-Men arrive at Jean Grey's parents house at the same time?

If the brotherhood arrived at Jean's house before the X-Men why didn't they try to take Jean then?

Why were Logan and Wolverine the only X-Men that went along with Xavier to find Jean?

Did Xavier not consider the possibility that they could be outnumbered if Magneto and his brotherhood tried to take Jean?

Why does Juggernaut throw Wolverine into Jean's house twice after Magneto tells him to keep the X-Men outside?

Why doesn't Arclight use her power in this scene?

Why was Magneto's right hand man(Pyro) absent from this scene?

Why did the scene of Juggernaut grabbing Wolverine, throwing him threw the ceiling, and Wolverine failing threw the floor defy physics?

How did porcupine boy expect to fight Storm considering he has to give all his victims a bear hug to kill them?

Of course I already know the answer to all these questions. Horrible writing and bad filmmaking.

 

[TKing]

Of course I already know the answer to all these questions. Horrible writing and bad filmmaking.

Then why ask them?

Oh yes, so you can have another chance to have a dig at X3.

 

[X-Maniac]

How did Xavier know Jean was her parents home if cerebro was destroyed?

Xavier is a telepath, and he must have a stronger psychic connection to those he knows well. He sensed Jean had left the mansion. We don’t know if he read her mind to know her destination (if she was on her way there) or her location (if she was already there). It’s a wonder you don’t harp on about how she got there. Jean going to her parents is obviously to show her seeking a place of familiarity, as she believes the mansion can no longer be her home because of Xavier’s meddling and the death of Scott. She’s leaving that part of herself behind, knowing she does not want to be caged or fixed. In the comicbook Phoenix Saga, Dark Phoenix flew into space and when she returned she did go to her parents’ home, seeking some sort of anchor through familiarity and family love.

Did the brotherhood and X-Men arrive at Jean Grey's parents house at the same time?

It looked to me like the Brotherhood were lying in wait for the X-Men.

If the brotherhood arrived at Jean's house before the X-Men why didn't they try to take Jean then?

I believe Magneto knew that Xavier would come (alone or with others) and he knew his only chance of getting Jean on his side was to discredit Xavier in front of Jean, to make his own cause look more appealing. By reinforcing Jean’s fears of being held back, caged or ‘cured’, Magneto’s fight for freedom looked a better option.

Why were Logan and Wolverine the only X-Men that went along with Xavier to find Jean?

You mean Storm and Wolverine. Well, they are the only adult, non-student X-Men at the mansion. Colossus, Kitty and Iceman are younger students who hadn’t ‘graduated’ as X-Men until before the final battle. The early part of the movie shows Wolverine telling Storm the others ‘aren’t ready’ (for conflict situations).

Did Xavier not consider the possibility that they could be outnumbered if Magneto and his brotherhood tried to take Jean?

I don’t think Xavier would have been aware of Magneto’s expanded Brotherhood at that time. As far as the X-Men knew, Magneto had two associates (Mystique and Pyro) and Mystique was incarcerated. The X-Men would not necessarily have known that Magneto was building an army and gathering others to his cause.

Why does Juggernaut throw Wolverine into Jean's house twice after Magneto tells him to keep the X-Men outside?

Storm also does something similar, in blasting Callisto through the door. I don’t think a mutant battle could tip-toe gingerly around the house and avoid damage to it or incursion into it. That’s not the nature of superpowered mutant battles. As soon as Wolverine heard noises and decided they had to go in, the Brotherhood just had to stop them getting to Magneto, Xavier and Jean, which they did. Juggernaut is obviously just a musclehead and is dozy enough to throw Wolverine into the house… but of course Wolverine had to get inside in order to be a witness to Xavier’s demise, so story-wise, it served a purpose. One way or another, Wolverine and/or Storm would have got inside.

Why doesn't Arclight use her power in this scene?

Her power creates sonic shockwaves that can shatter inorganic materials by finding the frequency at which they break. Storm is very organic, as is Wolverine (and his inorganic adamantium would not be shattered if she targeted that)

Why was Magneto's right hand man(Pyro) absent from this scene?

He was away on some sort of mission that ends with him fire-blasting a clinic.

Why did the scene of Juggernaut grabbing Wolverine, throwing him threw the ceiling, and Wolverine failing threw the floor defy physics?

I don’t see how it defies physics. Wolverine has a super-dense skeleton, coated with the densest material known, so he’d fall pretty hard and fast.

How did porcupine boy expect to fight Storm considering he has to give all his victims a bear hug to kill them?

I don’t think Quill ‘expected’ to fight Storm at all. Like Arclight, he adopted a defensive posture, and he probably had basic fighting skills, but he stood little chance against Ororo’s tornadic twirling. Which was the point. To show Storm kicking the crap out of them and then zapping Callisto. There’d be little point in showing her rising in the air, creating a vortex and spinning with it only to be hugged to death with a spiny embrace.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

^ ^ ^ Very nice! /borat

 

[Theweepeople]

Then why ask them?

Oh yes, so you can have another chance to have a dig at X3.

I ask them because I like talking to X3 haters about how bad this film is. If you have a problem with that then that's your problem. Bashing movies that I hate is one of my hobbies. That's why Mystery Science Theater 3000 is one of my favorite shows. Hopefully, MST3K will criticise X3 for one of their episodes in the future.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Thanks X-Maniac... I think I like the movie better just from that little bit. Haha.

 

[Theweepeople]

Thanks X-Maniac... I think I like the movie better just from that little bit. Haha.

I agree that X-Maniac always has interesting explanations to my criticisms but, I usually never agree with them. Besides, posting my counter- rebuttals would only start another pointless argument with him. 95% of the people who post in this forum made up their minds about what they thought of X3 last year. I gave up trying to convince the people who like X3 that X3 haters have legitimate reasons for hating this film. I find it interesting that some X3 lovers are still convinced they can change my opinion simply by responding to all of my criticisms over and over again.

 

[danoyse]

That's why Mystery Science Theater 3000 is one of my favorite shows. Hopefully, MST3K will criticise X3 for one of their episodes in the future.

You do realize that MST3K went off the air in 1999?

Unless you're talking about RiffTrax, their new spoof site? Because they already did a riff on X1 that was pretty funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgib2i7hyp0