Who's the most pathetic and useless Marvel character ever?

[Anubis]

They're actually quite easy to get along with. Far moreso than Spider-Man fans.

 

[Art_of_Crime]

Cyclops has FANS?!?! sorry, couldn't help it.

I'm with you bub, cyclops has a so-so power, and manages to be such an anoying little twerp.
Bring it on clops fans! its my opinion and you cannot will not change me!

 

[Anubis]

How about if they say they'll kill your dog?

 

[Varient]

I'm with you bub, cyclops has a so-so power, and manages to be such an anoying little twerp.
Bring it on clops fans! its my opinion and you cannot will not change me!

I have MUCH respect for the character,.. he has been thru some Serious crap.

His leadership and tactical skills are underated,.. his power has been nerfed twice in my history of reading comics, Just like Bishop,.. and Storm,.. and to a larger extent The Beast.

I hate the fact that such an interesting character is kept in a "wallflower - straight man" position simply to give fan favorites like Wolverine, gambit or psyloc to play against at his expense.

V.

 

[Still A ThorFan]

Wolverine

 

[Noir]

I have MUCH respect for the character,.. he has been thru some Serious crap.

His leadership and tactical skills are underated,.. his power has been nerfed twice in my history of reading comics, Just like Bishop,.. and Storm,.. and to a larger extent The Beast.

I hate the fact that such an interesting character is kept in a "wallflower - straight man" position simply to give fan favorites like Wolverine, gambit or psyloc to play against at his expense.

V.

Plus that, you got to feel bad cause Ratner killed him like a half hour into the freaking movie..

 

[CorporalHicks]

cyclops is emo

 

[CorporalHicks]

cyclops is emo

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

What about those enviromental Auqaman huggers?

To my knowledge, Aquaman has no fan base. I never see anybody flare up when his name is mentioned.

 

[juggster-rules]

jubilee slapstick mojo and ego.

 

[Hellion]

Zaladane

 

[Noir]

spiderham

 

[The Overlord]

And yet, Beak and Stiltman have both been writen well in good stories. That's the thing, there are no bad characters, just bad writers.

What stories has Stilt-Man been written as anything besides a joke?

 

[The Overlord]

Here's how I feel: There is not a single character in comics, or in any medium for that matter, that cannot be redeemed. With the right writer, The Trapster could acheive a great deal of depth and nuance. With the proper direction, Stilt-Man could be fleshed out as a character and gain a whole new level of developement. All it takes is vision and talent. Case in point: Supreme. For those who don't know, Supreme was a creation of Rob Lifeld. He was created as a parody of Superman. He was arrogant, violent, and dim witted to the point of obsurdity. In short, he sucked. Then Alan Moore came along and wrote a Supreme mini series. And as you can probably guess, it was quite good. A talanted writer with good ideas took a crappy character and made him shine. And that can happen to any character, reall. All we need is someone with the knowledge, and the elbow grease, to lead these characters into a new land.

Your ideas all the same regarding revamping loser villains like Trapster and Stilt-Man, just make them desparate criminals with self-esteem issues. Frankly that seems very uninteresting to me, so it would need one hell of an execution for me to care, because frankly their not becomming more evil, their not becomming more honourable or more more sympathetic, why should I give a damn?

Have you explained their motives better, can explain why they have low self esteem? Why was Stilt-Man still a criminal, he could have made money legitimately with his engineering skills and in that career he wouldn't have been killed by Punisher. Stilt-Man never seemed to like being a criminal and you think he would be intelligent enough to be in a career that didn't put in Punisher's cross hairs.

 

[The Question]

Your ideas all the same regarding revamping loser villains like Trapster and Stilt-Man, just make them desparate criminals with self-esteem issues. Frankly that seems very uninteresting to me, so it would need one hell of an execution for me to care, because frankly their not becomming more evil, their not becomming more honourable or more more sympathetic, why should I give a damn?

Have you explained their motives better, can explain why they have low self esteem? Why was Stilt-Man still a criminal, he could have made money legitimately with his engineering skills and in that career he wouldn't have been killed by Punisher. Stilt-Man never seemed to like being a criminal and you think he would be intelligent enough to be in a career that didn't put in Punisher's cross hairs.

1) I never said that The Trapster should ne besperate for cash, nor that Stilt Man should have self esteem/self image issues. Besides, those were both ideas I came up up with on the spot. I didn't have the chance to think about their backstories in great detail.

2) One could say that the Stilt Man who was killed was the guy who stole Day's suit.

 

[The Overlord]

1) I never said that The Trapster should ne besperate for cash, nor that Stilt Man should have self esteem/self image issues. Besides, those were both ideas I came up up with on the spot. I didn't have the chance to think about their backstories in great detail.

2) One could say that the Stilt Man who was killed was the guy who stole Day's suit.

1) Pray tell what were your ideas on these two characters again? Because that's how I remembered them. If your going to say these characters can be sucessfully revamped its a good idea to have a pitch that can easily explain how these revamps would work. I didn't find your ideas appealing, there is no real hook. The execution would have really great for me to be interested.

2) The new Stilt-Man had nothing to do with Wilbur's death. Punisher was doing his usual work and instead of getting out of Frank's way like smart villain would, Stilt-man foolishly got in Punisher's way and Punisher killed. If Wilbur had been smart and stayed retired and not gone up to Punisher, he wouldn't be dead.

 

[The Question]

1) Pray tell what were your ideas on these two characters again? Because that's how I remembered them. If your going to say these characters can be sucessfully revamped its a good idea to have a pitch that can easily explain how these revamps would work. I didn't find your ideas appealing, there is no real hook. The execution would have really great for me to be interested.

Like I said, I came up with thise ideas on the spot. I barely gave them any thought. They were vague outlines of what I think a good character arc for them would be that I haven't expanded upon because, as I said earlier, I really haven't given it any thought.

2) The new Stilt-Man had nothing to do with Wilbur's death. Punisher was doing his usual work and instead of getting out of Frank's way like smart villain would, Stilt-man foolishly got in Punisher's way and Punisher killed. If Wilbur had been smart and stayed retired and not gone up to Punisher, he wouldn't be dead.

Like I said, you could have Wilbur still be alive by saying that the guy Frank killed was the new Stilt Man.

 

[Noir]

I still say Spiderham...

 

[The Overlord]

Like I said, I came up with thise ideas on the spot. I barely gave them any thought. They were vague outlines of what I think a good character arc for them would be that I haven't expanded upon because, as I said earlier, I really haven't given it any thought.



Like I said, you could have Wilbur still be alive by saying that the guy Frank killed was the new Stilt Man.

1) When you have a better idea on how to improve these characters, call me, then I might care. Because in theory any any character may be a great character, but I don't care about theory, I care about practice.

2) They said it was Wilbur Day who was in the costume he Punisher wasted him.

 

[The Overlord]

Like I said, I came up with thise ideas on the spot. I barely gave them any thought. They were vague outlines of what I think a good character arc for them would be that I haven't expanded upon because, as I said earlier, I really haven't given it any thought.



Like I said, you could have Wilbur still be alive by saying that the guy Frank killed was the new Stilt Man.

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[The Question]

1) When you have a better idea on how to improve these characters, call me, then I might care. Because in theory any any character may be a great character, but I don't care about theory, I care about practice.

There's no need to be so rude. Besides, my ideas weren't bad. They were just rather vague. I do admit they need more details to sound less generic.

2) They said it was Wilbur Day who was in the costume he Punisher wasted him.

Who said it, exactly?

 

[Majik1387]

Joseph, Magneto's clone

 

[The Overlord]

There's no need to be so rude. Besides, my ideas weren't bad. They were just rather vague. I do admit they need more details to sound less generic.



Who said it, exactly?

I'm not meaning to be rude, sorry if I come off that way.

Everyone, Punsiher, Tinkerer, the caption box, they all said it was Wilbur.

 

[Noir]

Herbie..

 

[The Question]

Everyone, Punsiher, Tinkerer, the caption box, they all said it was Wilbur.

Could you elaborate? I mean, did the Tinkerer have conversation with Stilt Man? Because, at least in The Punisher's case, he could simply think Stilt Man was Wilbur Day and have been mistaken. I mean, as far as I know, he's never met Day before.