Transformers Why all the hate?

[CaptainClown]

bay is like samson! we must shave bay!

 

[Alex The Great]

transformers wuz like.....the best movie i've seen this decade. they nalied it....with only 150 million dollars.
SM3 had 500 million dollars but wasted it.......and screwed it up.

 

[Sugarculted]

transformers wuz like.....the best movie i've seen this decade. they nalied it....with only 150 million dollars.
SM3 had 500 million dollars but wasted it.......and screwed it up.

Best movie you've seen this decade? Well, you haven't seen many movies, have you?

 

[CaptainClown]

ya that was down there with the pirates of the carribean 3, and spider man 3

 

[portland2002]

Please do. Shall I continue?
The CGI mess they called the fights.
The Decepticons without a spark of personality.
The complete lack of Starscream acting as he should have. Where did it show his dislike for Megs?
The fact that the story leading onto the glasses, was absolutely freaking useless.

A mass-changing Allspark, but no mass-changing Transformers?

The computer hacker suplot.

-The stock African-American and Latin characters.

-A scumbag version of Jazz who refers to Sam and Mikaela as little (expletives).

- Not making Megatron a gun or a tank (I prefer gun, but I could have tolerated a tank)

-Making Megatron and Prime brothers.

-Not only taking away Bumblebee's voice for most of the film, but when he gets a voice, he sounds absolutely horrendous.

-Hugo Weaving's cookie monster voice for Megatron.

-An Insecticon-sounding Starscream.

-Frenzy giving the finger to the Secret Service.

-An overindulgence in CGI mayhem towards the climax.

-Very short battle between Optimus and BINO (Bonecrusher in Name Only).

-No Soundwave.

-No Frank Welker.

-Making Ironhide seem like some kind of homicidal lunatic.

-Ratchet's pheremone-level reference.

-Sam and Mikaela making out on top of the hood of Bumblebee.

-The General Motors commercial sequences.

-Sergeant Epps being some kind of clown instead of a more competent soldier ("Bring It?" to Scorponok, bringing such a sterotypical vernacular expression to the desert")

-With the exception of Prime (for the most part), not making the other Autobots' personalities similar enough to their profiles.

-Lips on Prime.

-The camera-eyes on the Transformers.

-The flame-look on a long-nose Peterbilt truck.

-The total disrespect for authority (i.e. "Shut up, Grandma!")

-Wasting precious screen time on Sam and Mikaela, Sam's parents, Lennox, etc. when the Transformers themselves should be the main characters.

-Not truly showing Megatron's disdain for Starscream and vice-versa.

-Turning Megatron's story into that of Skyfire's.

And I'm not done.

 

[TNC9852002]

The movie wasn't perfect, therefore, it was terrible and Bay deserves all of the credit for how terrible it was.

We all know that this movie should've been perfect and everything should've been exactly how the perfect cartoons made it.

-TNC

 

[Chris B]

My thoughts exactly. I was disappointed in The Simpsons Movie too.
I'm glad I'm finding more who disliked the film, so we can somehow gather and attack Bay, rather viciously.

What's done is done, so how is viciously attacking Bay at this point going to make a difference? If TF fans want Bay to listen to them, then they shouldn't be sending him death threats.

 

[Sugarculted]

What's done is done, so how is viciously attacking Bay at this point going to make a difference? If TF fans want Bay to listen to them, then they shouldn't be sending him death threats.

Perhaps I was...erm, joking?

 

[portland2002]

What's done is done, so how is viciously attacking Bay at this point going to make a difference? If TF fans want Bay to listen to them, then they shouldn't be sending him death threats.

I agree that fans shouldn't be sending Michael Bay death threats. That's utterly criminal and out-of-line.

All the spoilers (designs, characterizations, etc.) that I knew beforehand about Transformers led me to the unalterable conclusion that Transformers wasn't a great film. And guess what? It wasn't.

 

[TNC9852002]

Honestly, could a Transformers movie be "great" in general? I'm talking great-great, Oscar quality.

-TNC

 

[Chris B]

Perhaps I was...erm, joking?

If you were joking, then I apologize. I didn't get that from the post I quoted or any of your earlier posts in this thread.

Besides, I've seen some pretty odd responses to the approach Bay took with this film, so somebody thinking that attacking the guy was going to help the situation isn't that hard for me to believe.

 

[Chris B]

I agree that fans shouldn't be sending Michael Bay death threats. That's utterly criminal and out-of-line.

All the spoilers (designs, characterizations, etc.) that I knew beforehand about Transformers led me to the unalterable conclusion that Transformers wasn't a great film. And guess what? It wasn't.

Well, I think the movie still managed to capture the essence of the franchise, despite the deviations it did take. And I don't really view the film as a G1 adaption but rather an adaption of the Transformers franchise as a whole. It was heavily inspired by G1, but it took elements from the other lines that have existed.

Some of the things on your list, I agree with, like Welker not being cast as Megatron and Megatron and Starscream's heated relationship not really being shown. However, I don't understand how things like disrespecting authority and Frenzy flicking off the Secret Service were detractors for you.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

A mass-changing Allspark, but no mass-changing Transformers?

The computer hacker suplot.

-The stock African-American and Latin characters.

-A scumbag version of Jazz who refers to Sam and Mikaela as little (expletives).

- Not making Megatron a gun or a tank (I prefer gun, but I could have tolerated a tank)

-Making Megatron and Prime brothers.

-Not only taking away Bumblebee's voice for most of the film, but when he gets a voice, he sounds absolutely horrendous.

-Hugo Weaving's cookie monster voice for Megatron.

-An Insecticon-sounding Starscream.

-Frenzy giving the finger to the Secret Service.

-An overindulgence in CGI mayhem towards the climax.

-Very short battle between Optimus and BINO (Bonecrusher in Name Only).

-No Soundwave.

-No Frank Welker.

-Making Ironhide seem like some kind of homicidal lunatic.

-Ratchet's pheremone-level reference.

-Sam and Mikaela making out on top of the hood of Bumblebee.

-The General Motors commercial sequences.

-Sergeant Epps being some kind of clown instead of a more competent soldier ("Bring It?" to Scorponok, bringing such a sterotypical vernacular expression to the desert")

-With the exception of Prime (for the most part), not making the other Autobots' personalities similar enough to their profiles.

-Lips on Prime.

-The camera-eyes on the Transformers.

-The flame-look on a long-nose Peterbilt truck.

-The total disrespect for authority (i.e. "Shut up, Grandma!")

-Wasting precious screen time on Sam and Mikaela, Sam's parents, Lennox, etc. when the Transformers themselves should be the main characters.

-Not truly showing Megatron's disdain for Starscream and vice-versa.

-Turning Megatron's story into that of Skyfire's.

And I'm not done.

When I saw your list I felt I had to reply...........

A mass-changing Allspark, but no mass-changing Transformers?

This pissed me of too.......I cant understand why he felt that the general movie go'er would find it diffucult to understand mass-shifting in a bot but not in a life giving cube.


-The stock African-American and Latin characters.

Whats wrong with them.........I'm half of both.

-A scumbag version of Jazz who refers to Sam and Mikaela as little (expletives).
I felt the real problem was that he didnt get enough screne time to get a feel for his personalty.....how you came to the "scumbag" conclusion is beyond me....he did scrafice his life so that the others could get away from Megatron.

- Not making Megatron a gun or a tank (I prefer gun, but I could have tolerated a tank)

This also pissed me off

-Making Megatron and Prime brothers.

I dont think that it was ment that they were brothers like Sunstreaker & Sideswipe.They were co-leaders of Cybertron before the war so I think it was more of a brothers in arms kind of thing.

-Hugo Weaving's cookie monster voice for Megatron.

He gave an interview saying that he was trying to do his best to sound like Frank Welker


-An Insecticon-sounding Starscream.

Dont forget his face

-Frenzy giving the finger to the Secret Service.

Why did this bother you???????


-No Soundwave.

-No Frank Welker.

Agreed 100%


-Sam and Mikaela making out on top of the hood of Bumblebee.

Better then Sam b@ngging her in the back seat.........but I would have paid good money to see that

-The General Motors commercial sequences.

You mean the whole movie?????????/


-Lips on Prime.

what bothered me was they take Bumbleebee's lips away [not to mention his voice] and then put lips on Prime.What the "F" for.

-Not truly showing Megatron's disdain for Starscream and vice-versa.

Pissed me off too

-Turning Megatron's story into that of Skyfire's.

Really pissed me off

And I'm not done.

give me more

 

[Jake Cassidy]

A mass-changing Allspark, but no mass-changing Transformers?

The computer hacker suplot.

-The stock African-American and Latin characters.

-A scumbag version of Jazz who refers to Sam and Mikaela as little (expletives).

- Not making Megatron a gun or a tank (I prefer gun, but I could have tolerated a tank)

-Making Megatron and Prime brothers.

-Not only taking away Bumblebee's voice for most of the film, but when he gets a voice, he sounds absolutely horrendous.

-Hugo Weaving's cookie monster voice for Megatron.

-An Insecticon-sounding Starscream.

-Frenzy giving the finger to the Secret Service.

-An overindulgence in CGI mayhem towards the climax.

-Very short battle between Optimus and BINO (Bonecrusher in Name Only).

-No Soundwave.

-No Frank Welker.

-Making Ironhide seem like some kind of homicidal lunatic.

-Ratchet's pheremone-level reference.

-Sam and Mikaela making out on top of the hood of Bumblebee.

-The General Motors commercial sequences.

-Sergeant Epps being some kind of clown instead of a more competent soldier ("Bring It?" to Scorponok, bringing such a sterotypical vernacular expression to the desert")

-With the exception of Prime (for the most part), not making the other Autobots' personalities similar enough to their profiles.

-Lips on Prime.

-The camera-eyes on the Transformers.

-The flame-look on a long-nose Peterbilt truck.

-The total disrespect for authority (i.e. "Shut up, Grandma!")

-Wasting precious screen time on Sam and Mikaela, Sam's parents, Lennox, etc. when the Transformers themselves should be the main characters.

-Not truly showing Megatron's disdain for Starscream and vice-versa.

-Turning Megatron's story into that of Skyfire's.

And I'm not done.

This is just a question. If you hate it so much, why are you still talking about it nearly 4 months after it's release? Just curious.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

My thoughts exactly. I was disappointed in The Simpsons Movie too.
I'm glad I'm finding more who disliked the film, so we can somehow gather and attack Bay, rather viciously.

Personally, I love this movie. But if you wanna get Bay, have fun. I'm gonna go after Gore Verbinski for pirates 2 & 3, Brett Ratner for X-Men 3 and Sam Raimi for that piece of **** Spider-Man 3.

 

[Abaddon]

it was entertaining, but it was also kind of crappy.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Spider-Man 3 is a hell of a lot worse.

 

[portland2002]

Spider-Man 3 is a hell of a lot worse.

I disagree magnitudinously. Spider-Man 3 was a masterpiece...great reversals...complications...magnificent acting...excellent action scenes and CGI...great faithfully rendered costumes and looks (i.e. red & blue costume Spider-Man, J. Jonah Jameson, Betty Brant, Gwen Stacy, etc.)...outstanding script...it was complex, but the majority of the subplots all tied into the main plot. And did I mention...a wonderful musical score.

Peter Cullen's acting boosted the otherwise cesspool of a film from a 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 in my book.

See my previous posts for all my dislikes concerning Transformers. I'll add to that list later. t:

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Spider-Man 3 a masterpiece? Are you out of your mind?

 

[Decoy Lad]

In truth, Transformers is probably no better or worse then any other dissappointing big-budget summer popcorn movie, but I probably dislike it more because it's based on something I care about, or at least used to.

 

[portland2002]

In truth, Transformers is probably no better or worse then any other dissappointing big-budget summer popcorn movie, but I probably dislike it more because it's based on something I care about, or at least used to.

Welcome to the hype, Decoy Lad. I also dislike the live-action adaptation of Transformers because the film absolutely demolished one of the greatest animated series and comic books ever to grace this planet: the Generation 1 era of Transformers.

 

[CaptainClown]

but sam! put the cube in my chest

 

[portland2002]

When I saw your list I felt I had to reply...........


-The stock African-American and Latin characters.

Whats wrong with them.........I'm half of both.

My problem with them had nothing to do with their races...but with their stereotypical portrayals . For example, someone telling the Latin soldier to speak English, Tyrese/Sgt. Epps expressing Ebonic colloquialisms to Scorponok in the desert battle. "Bring it." Another example is the supposedly intelligent Glen Whitman -Anthony Anderson's character looking and sounding obsequious and ignorant as well as cowardly.

 

[Chris B]

Welcome to the hype, Decoy Lad. I also dislike the live-action adaptation of Transformers because the film absolutely demolished one of the greatest animated series and comic books ever to grace this planet: the Generation 1 era of Transformers.

I wouldn't really consider the film to be a G1 adaption, but rather an adaption of the Transformers concept as a whole.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I wouldn't really consider the film to be a G1 adaption, but rather an adaption of the Transformers concept as a whole.

Exactly. Transformers is more than just G1. Some people just don't get that.