Why are so many people deadset against showing the origin?

[NHawk19]

Hire the team to make 2 movies back to back. Make the first Birthright and the second a stand alone. That way they can seam something together.

It's been too long since the general public saw a the origin on film. If they dont then the only other way to go with out completely contradicting what the current public is aware of is to use the smallville origin.

 

[Sam]

Origins have been done to death (especially Superman's). Give it a rest.

This is ridiculous.

Superman origin was done only once in movies, over 30 years ago. Most of ppl doesnt know that much about Superman. They only know that he was sent from krypton to earth and kryptonite can hurt him. Basically, thats all.

Superman origin is MUCH MORE than that,

Remember, we are talking about movie audience.

All this origin fever brought the most outrageous blasphemy in all comics history: Wolverine's origin.

Are we talking here about comics or movies?

There is absolutely no proof that origins cause attachment of the audience to the character.

U are wrong.

 

[UnionJack]

This is ridiculous.

Superman origin was done only once in movies, over 30 years ago. Most of ppl doesnt know that much about Superman. They only know that he was sent from krypton to earth and kryptonite can hurt him. Basically, thats all.

Superman origin is MUCH MORE than that.

What so almost 10years of Smallville is nothing?!

I think Supermans Origins have been done to death.

I don't really think the next generation of kids really care for it that much.

 

[KalMart]

What so almost 10years of Smallville is nothing?!

I think Supermans Origins have been done to death.

I don't really think the next generation of kids really care for it that much.

They could if you get them excited about Superman first.

 

[solidsnake86]

Smallville's a tv show and people over estimate its impact. Besides, by the time this movie rolls around it will be off the air.

 

[UnionJack]

They could if you get them excited about Superman first.

Maybe but for me IF I knew its was telling the story all over again .. I'd wait till it was out on dvd and skip all that crap till I see Superman.

Hopefully they give him more of a personality than the wooden dull man he's was in the last film.

 

[KalMart]

Maybe but for me IF I knew its was telling the story all over again .. I'd wait till it was out on dvd and skip all that crap till I see Superman.

Hopefully they give him more of a personality than the wooden dull man he's was in the last film.

That's why you might want to start with introducing Superman, then eventually move deeper into his 'origins' and make it significant to the plot at hand, not just the character himself.

 

[JBElliott]

Everyone knows the origin. Smallville dwells (too long) on the early days. At most a recap during the opening credits is all that's needed. Morris and Quitely did it in less than ten panels in All Star Superman.

 

[UnionJack]

That's why you might want to start with introducing Superman, then eventually move deeper into his 'origins' and make it significant to the plot at hand, not just the character himself.

I just find his origins boring, they showed it in Returns in flash-backs, 10years of Smallville, far too many times in the comics.

Yes he comes to earth and learns his powers as a kid and has to learn to try and act normal.

Snooooooze.

 

[Superfreak]

Because there shouldn't be any middle ground when it comes to this...especially something this visible and important. You either make it a sequel/continuation, or you don't and make something else. If you're going to try and tiptoe around the major narrative elements and issues that the last movie left off with, some unresolved, or feel the need to 'fix' some of the problems from before...or act like some of it didn't happen....then what's the advantage of carrying anything over? Better to leave it where it was and start over.....build a brand new one for the same cost and effort as salvaging something with problems that apparently need working around.

actually, building a new one would cost more, because the sunk cost already exists.

I'm just saying, the only major narrative element that is problematic is jason. He may be visible, but he is not important in any way shape or form.

What I'm saying is more like this: if Lois and Clark are sent to Africa to do some foreign reporting, Jason is not going to figure into the main story. It's not tip toeing, and it's not retconning. It's just controlling the setting, so that Jason's presence is unneccesary as far as a sequel is concerned. It's that simple, out of sight, but not out of mind.




I'm just afraid that what people are pushing for is the 'great kryptonian epic'. That is not Superman. I want to see superman dealing with humanities problems, not with consequences left over from his dead heritage.

 

[Superfreak]

I just find his origins boring, they showed it in Returns in flash-backs, 10years of Smallville, far too many times in the comics.

Yes he comes to earth and learns his powers as a kid and has to learn to try and act normal.

Snooooooze.

I know right, it's information that could actually be delivered in a star wars style marquee, and save 30-40 minutes of film time/budget.

I could actually go for an origin, built like an episode of Lost. The main narrative dealing with established Superman, with appropriate flashbacks, at approrpriate times, to flesh out the depth and history of the character. The JJ script was slightly like this, but it was too simple.

That's the other thing about an origin movie that I'm concerned about. Is the movie itself going to be creative in its delivery, or is it just going to be the same hum'drum chronilogical delivery of the same basic material, with new visuals?

 

[UnionJack]

I know right, it's information that could actually be delivered in a star wars style marquee, and save 30-40 minutes of film time/budget.

I could actually go for an origin, built like an episode of Lost. The main narrative dealing with established Superman, with appropriate flashbacks, at approrpriate times, to flesh out the depth and history of the character. The JJ script was slightly like this, but it was too simple.

That's the other thing about an origin movie that I'm concerned about. Is the movie itself going to be creative in its delivery, or is it just going to be the same hum'drum chronilogical delivery of the same basic material, with new visuals?

haha yea the Star Wars scrolling text would totally work for me

gets alot of the dullness out of the way, mix it in with a few fast shots of him growing up, lifting something heavy when he is a child, jumping high blah blah blah then POW Clark finishing High School and thinking of what to do next ......

 

[KalMart]

actually, building a new one would cost more, because the sunk cost already exists.

No moreso than any other film that's come before. They really haven't spent any more money on SR (Singer's contract details not withstanding), so there's nothing really holding them to it anymore.

I'm just saying, the only major narrative element that is problematic is jason. He may be visible, but he is not important in any way shape or form.

Superman having a son isn't important? That's about as major of a narrative impact as you can have, you can't just sweep that under the rug without it feeling like....well...you're sweeping it under the rug. That's like saying Luke finding out that Vader is his father is insignificant...regardless if it was 'done better' or what have you. It's the biggest revelation that SR presented and something that has to be carried through, otherwise it's narratively irresponsible and calls more attention to the fact that they 'screwed up'. What does that say about Superman if he has a son and then it's insignificant?

What I'm saying is more like this: if Lois and Clark are sent to Africa to do some foreign reporting, Jason is not going to figure into the main story. It's not tip toeing, and it's not retconning. It's just controlling the setting, so that Jason's presence is unneccesary as far as a sequel is concerned. It's that simple, out of sight, but not out of mind.

Just start that in a reboot, then, so they can literally start from a clean slate, and you won;t be left with any questions as to 'what happened to...' or why they're ignoring those parts. If you're that intent with not carrying over the major dramatic elements from SR, why even make it any kind of a sequel? Just start over from scratch and let them develop the story with free reign and nothing that they have to explain/work around.

I'm just afraid that what people are pushing for is the 'great kryptonian epic'. That is not Superman. I want to see superman dealing with humanities problems, not with consequences left over from his dead heritage.

Or in this case, a near-dead continuity. They can start a reboot up without obsessing over Krypton as well. I guess some Supes fans have a little pride at stake in that a Superman movie shouldn't have to reboot out of necessity like others....because he's the greatest whatever. And perhaps it's a show of conceding to other character movies that have kept chugging along this decade. But if it's going to reboot, then so be it...it was bound to happen sometime....why not now, when it should have been rebooted to begin with back in 2005-2006 or whenever? It's time for Superman movies to start from square one and re-earn their place amongst the heavy hitters, instead of relying on veteran status. SR squeezed the last drops of milk out of what was started 30 years ago, and now it's time to get a new cow. Or if you're going ot make it a sequel, then just make it a direct sequel with the appropriate continuation and live with it.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Why people are still talking about a SR sequel? It's over, Superfreak. SR is past now.

 

[KalMart]

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[Frodo]

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[Sam]

What so almost 10years of Smallville is nothing?!

I think Supermans Origins have been done to death.

I don't really think the next generation of kids really care for it that much.

Yes, exactly. Smallvile is nothing.

Its a nice show, but when u talk about Superman mythos, it is nothing. It has a lot of changes from Superman mythos.

 

[Sam]

Everyone knows the origin. Smallville dwells (too long) on the early days. At most a recap during the opening credits is all that's needed. Morris and Quitely did it in less than ten panels in All Star Superman.

Again, u are worng saying everyone knows the origin. This is crap.

My 16 years old nephew, for exemple, didnt know Superman powers come from yellow sun until i told him.

Again, stop assuming everyone know everything about Superman origin, because this is simple not true. They know the basic, what is not even close of origin potential.

 

[Webhead2006]

I dont see if they are to reboot the film series over like it looks like it will be if the next film happens. Not including smallville days/some krypton stuff you are loosing out on setting up future threats, and for smallville stuff you lose showing clark's morals growing up and why he choices to be a public hero and put on a colorful costume. I know alot of folks here dont want to see an orgin. But come on if this is a new start/new begining we need to see why its a different story this time and not have it be donner's take of krypton/smallville, smallville the tv show, etc.........

 

[Crook]

What so almost 10years of Smallville is nothing?!

I think Supermans Origins have been done to death.

I don't really think the next generation of kids really care for it that much.

Smallville's viewership is a little tadpole compared to primetime networks, you honestly think it's audience could even touch the potential numbers of a Superman film?

For every person that knows the extent of Superman's origins thanks to SV, there's like 8 or more people that would have known about it if it were featured in a featured film. As it stands, said film doesn't exist. Hence those people are not well-versed in the story. That's a whole crapload of individuals.

 

[GreenKToo]

putting on the ritz.

 

[KalMart]

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I don't mind seeing the origin, as long as it's used as something other than just the origin.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea it needs to serve a good purpose like showing up why things are different have a new story for krypton, and smallville days do something different and show how clark got his morals and why he chooses to don a costume and fight crime and injustice.

 

[KalMart]

Yea it needs to serve a good purpose like showing up why things are different have a new story for krypton, and smallville days do something different and show how clark got his morals and why he chooses to don a costume and fight crime and injustice.

More different than that....I'm talking using it later to tie into the plots and perhaps even the villains as we move through the story...even in a second film....not just how/why/when baby Kal-El/Clark became Superman.

 

[Kal-El Fan]

I love the show and all, but trust me, the people who were introduced to the character by watching Smallville DO NOT know Superman's origin.