Why are so many people deadset against showing the origin?

[Nightwing1977]

I think part of the reason some folks don't want a new origin is that they actually want a new movie to still be stuck in the Donnerverse.

That is not true. My reason why is because we already seen the origin & seeing it all over again would feel like a remake of the film than a reboot or a film still connected to STM. And I never wanted a new film to be stuck in the Donnerverse. Just because some of us don't want to see a 45 minutes origin film all over again doesn't mean we're only love the Donnerverse.

This may get heat from the Donner Cultists, but as good as the Donner movies were, they were not perfect.

They weren't perfect, but the origin film was done very well that it's silly to do that all over again. I have no problem with showing a new Krypton & such, but keep it brief with flashbacks & such.

And please don't label anyone who like the origin in STM & not want a new 45 minutes origin as Donner Cultists. That sound like you're saying "You're not a true fan" or whatever.

If they are doing a REBOOT then an origin is necessary but IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE THE BEGINNING OF THE MOVIE!!! We can start with him established as Superman or start with his first appearance as the title hero. We can always go back an explain the origin later in the film in flashbacks once the audience becomes interested in the character.

There you go. If you want to show new look of Krypton, origin, & everything, just use few it in flashbacks here & there. Kinda like what SR used, but show more than that. The general public doesn't want to see a new 45 minutes origin. Just show that Superman is already a hero in Metropolis & show origin in flashbacks few times.

 

[The Batman]

Exactly,

If its to be a whole new begining, then it needs a whole new begining.

I think part of the reason some folks don't want a new origin is that they actually want a new movie to still be stuck in the Donnerverse.

This may get heat from the Donner Cultists, but as good as the Donner movies were, they were not perfect.

Then you clearly havent a clue. No one whos against the origin have said they still wanted donner. The only people who are still obsessed with donner are guys like you, who hold some irrational hatred over it. Nobody said they still want the donnerverse, and youd have to be quite lacking in comprehension skills to assume that.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

^ Reading the above post almost made me think I was back at the Batman forums where personal insults and biting remarks run rampant.

Good times... good times. But not really.

 

[Webhead2006]

personally yea we dont need to be spending like an hr to do the whole origin again like STM did. I would say in total all the origin bits krypton/crashing to earth/teen life/pre moving to metropolis could be done within 15-20mins. Now the only thing needed is how to do it. Do you want to be straight forward and go from a to b to c. Or do you want to go like TIH opening credits with some flashbacks over the course of the film, or like BB. Or keep some things myterious to clark kent like knows he is an alien but doesnt know of jorel/lara/krypton and what happened to it. To say for example if brainiac was the film's villain and he filled him on those details and/or finds some holographic recording device that has the knowledge of krypton and/or recording from jorel about the final days.

 

[MadVillainy]

I say do this start with the destructiON OF Krypton similar to the death of Kirk's father in Star Trek

Then go to first Superman sighting and Clark's first day at the Planet on the same day. Story plays out from here

And then flashbacks to different things such as: Clark first finding his powers, Clark in Africa, etc.

 

[Fresh Prince]

It dosent NEED to be anything. Batman Begins and TDK were reboots, and you STILL have people confused over their connection to the old franchise. On another hand, still speaking of batman, i doubt anyone had trouble realzing that B89 wasnt connected to the Adam West TV show. A simple difference in aesthetics, character portryals, and enough of a different origin shown can be just as effective as any "In depth" origin.

If the "Fleischer" Cartoons and the 50's show can present an origin in 5 minutes, i dont see why a new movie cant.

And by the way....I very much doubt the audience gives a damn whether or not its connected to donner or not. Its funny...you guys claim that the donner origin is too old for most to remember, therefore its necessary for a new in depth origin...and then turn around and say that the same audience has to know its different from donner...how can they know its different from something they supposedly dont know existed??? Did most even know SR was connected to Donner's Superman? Did most even care??? I very much doubt they did care.

Why would people anyways think the B89 films was connected to the Adam West series.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Why would people anyways think the B89 films was connected to the Adam West series.

Because it's Batman.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Because it's Batman.

Yeah but you could clearly know that the film was not connected to the tv series....I mean the film was dark, grity and grim....TV show was light, campy and cheesy....I mean Joker in B89 acted at times no different then the tv show version but still was totally different takes.

I can understand when BB was coming out why people thought that the flick could of been a prequel to B89, cause I thought the samething until I seen the movie....But people thinking B89 connected to 1960s tv show Batman.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah but you could clearly know that the film was not connected to the tv series....I mean the film was dark, grity and grim....TV show was light, campy and cheesy....I mean Joker in B89 acted at times no different then the tv show version but still was totally different takes.

I can understand when BB was coming out why people thought that the flick could of been a prequel to B89, cause I thought the same thing until I seen the movie....But people thinking B89 connected to 1960s tv show Batman.

I did too...

 

[Fresh Prince]

But seeing how Joe Chill and not Jack Napier killed Bruce's parents and Gordon befriending Batman and Joker reference at the end I realized it was a remake.

 

[solidsnake86]

I think tomorrow there is another court date if I remember reading correctly, keep an eye out on newsarama or superman homepage cause they usually report on this stuff during the week.

 

[KalMart]

But seeing how Joe Chill and not Jack Napier killed Bruce's parents and Gordon befriending Batman and Joker reference at the end I realized it was a remake.

In a way, BB really ushered in/pioneered 'rebooting' in this era....followed by Bond and Star Trek and so on. By now I think general audiences are more prepared to start things over and take them for their own thing.

 

[M.O.Steel]

In a way, BB really ushered in/pioneered 'rebooting' in this era....followed by Bond and Star Trek and so on. By now I think general audiences are more prepared to start things over and take them for their own thing.

wow, i never thought about it, but you are absolutely right, and i agree with it.

but that should have been the movie in 2006. they need some space. punisher and TIH failed.

 

[Timstuff]

I think Punisher failed simply because he's a character who movie audiences feel like they have already seen a dozen times in better films, so they don't have any interest in movies based on him. As for Hulk, I think the character's box office draw is just plain limited. I think they did just about everything right with TIH except for advertising (the first teasers were terrible, and initially turned me off to the movie), but that just wasn't enough to get people excited.

With Superman, I think if you put out a kick ass, action-packed traier full of super villain fights and whatnot, people would be more than willing to forget about SR. The problem was that SR was a boring film, not that Superman is not a bankable character.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Timstuff, yes. With the right trailer flaunting the right kind of kickass action audiences have been craving in a superhero movie, you could even get diehard Superman haters excited. This franchise has so much potential that's being wasted right now.

 

[GreenKToo]

There is NO doubt in my mind that if we get another film anytime soon, they will promote the you-know-what out of it...they'll have too.
A couple of good teasers showing Superman having a stand-off with a supervillain with a smoking, ruined, city behind them will sell it.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally we need to have the film totally rounded out right, good cast, good script, and promote it like crazy on the right elements of the film. So then you get the butts to the seats.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I think Punisher failed simply because he's a character who movie audiences feel like they have already seen a dozen times in better films, so they don't have any interest in movies based on him. As for Hulk, I think the character's box office draw is just plain limited. I think they did just about everything right with TIH except for advertising (the first teasers were terrible, and initially turned me off to the movie), but that just wasn't enough to get people excited.

With Superman, I think if you put out a kick ass, action-packed traier full of super villain fights and whatnot, people would be more than willing to forget about SR. The problem was that SR was a boring film, not that Superman is not a bankable character.

Maybe Punisher in the comics need to be repackaged.

 

[MadVillainy]

I hope the studio doesnt take the "No action" complaint to the extreme and have balls to wall action with no story

 

[Webhead2006]

oh totally they need to find good balance of action and good story. We dont want to see a TF2 for superman. Sure it would look great and have good battles, but we need a good story too.

 

[Fresh Prince]

If they do do balls to walls action you know who to call.......But if they do do it it should be Rambo First Blood Part 2 action.

 

[8wid]

Superman is a hero for Earth, lets stop going back to a planet that no longer exists unless there is something to learn from it. Smallville is too tiny to care about. Oh look corn!

 

[Webhead2006]

well smallville could show us how his human upbringing makes him into the hero he will be, plus we can develop the kent characters and have mention of his friends like lana lang and pete ross. who could have some meaningful role in sequels. Like for example if they went political lex in a sequel to maybe have pete ross like in the comics work in luthor's cabinet. As for krypton its could be about showing a new reason why the world went boom, and get into its past if we get into characters like doomsday, or its distruction with brainiac or something.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Him being in SV not bad it be him learning how to be a hero by fighting pety criminals and saving people easily....Plus like Webhead said the original charactersl ike Lana and Pete.

 

[Webhead2006]

Totally as i said i wouldnt want smallville life/krypton cut out from any new film series and never being seen/mentioned at all. We lose out on a variety of things that could happen and all that.