The Dark Knight Why does Maroni throw acid at Harvey?

[BubbaGump]

Hopefully Nolan will be smart and use two-face version of TAS as well but I wouldnt mind if it was mixed in with TLH as well.

Oh yeah, the courtroom explodes, and just as Maroni is about to take his daily prescription, he falls and accidentally scars Dent. TAS+TLH=TDK

 

[Deaths Head II]

we dont know which version Nolan will use but i do know that the scarcrow was pretty much the TAS version! The whole scheme with the fear gas in the water supply and hold the city for ransom! Straight from TAS! Hopefully Nolan will be smart and use two-face version of TAS as well but I wouldnt mind if it was mixed in with TLH as well.

The TAS version of Scarecrow was close to the comics, too. So him being similar to the Scarecrow in BB isn't that much of a surprise because he was like that in the comics. On the other hand, people always thought Two-Face and his "acid-to-the-face" origin was too gruesome for tv.

 

[L.A.]

As great as the TAS explosion was, all the villains being transformed into villains by means of falling into a vat of chemicals is becoming cliche. Joker in B89, Two-Face in TAS, Mr. Freeze in TAS...what are the chances that anyone will become a criminal if they fall into a vat of chemicals?

Harvey never fell down in a vat chemicals. He was blown up by one!! It also made it more tragic for Batman too because he was seconds away from saving Harvey.

 

[L.A.]

Oh yeah, the courtroom explodes, and just as Maroni is about to take his daily prescription, he falls and accidentally scars Dent. TAS+TLH=TDK

lol! This is the two-face I know!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS2e5ZIH7Wo

 

[L.A.]

The TAS version of Scarecrow was close to the comics, too. So him being similar to the Scarecrow in BB isn't that much of a surprise because he was like that in the comics. On the other hand, people always thought Two-Face and his "acid-to-the-face" origin was too gruesome for tv.

Too gruesome for tv? and being in a explosion which disfigures half of your body isnt But anyways I think both stories of two-face of TAS and TLH are good but I think TAS edges TLH when it comes to scaring! I'd rather see an explosion than some dude with a bottle of acid!

 

[The Guard]

Early concepts for THE DARK KNIGHT suggested that The Penguin would have a cameo as an arms dealer/mob boss.

Well Maroni takes over Falcone crime family because he was locked up right? Cant put Penguin in there because the general public still thinks he's half human/half penguin. Why would they let him be the mob boss.

The general public doesn't care. BATMAN RETURNS was in 1992. By the time THE DARK KNIGHT comes out, 17 years will have passed since people saw Danny DeVito as The Penguin. Most people barely remember RETURNS anyway, and many haven't even seen it.

 

[Two-Face]

we dont know which version Nolan will use but i do know that the scarcrow was pretty much the TAS version! The whole scheme with the fear gas in the water supply and hold the city for ransom! Straight from TAS! Hopefully Nolan will be smart and use two-face version of TAS as well but I wouldnt mind if it was mixed in with TLH as well.

Well I like to see it done in the courtroom, Nolan took inspire from The Man Who Falls, Year One, and The Long Halloween not just from TAS. I think TLH will be more inspiratial source material for Dent's Origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Begins

 

[Gonking]

yea, all the more reason to kill him and not throw acid at the dude? Whats that going to say about your rep? Not man enough to kill?

when Maroni throw acid at Harvey HE WAS TRYING TO KILL HIM!

 

[DangerousInc.]

I prefer Joker doing the scarring.

 

[Riven]

I'd prefer Maroni to do it (since he IS in the film after all), but if the Joker does it, that's also fine by me. As long as what makes the character of Two-Face important is there, it's all good.

Remember, in Batman Forever Harvey was scarred by "Boss Maroni" and see what a great portrayal that was...

 

[BubbaGump]

Guys, this is The Dark Knight--not The Long Halloween. The movie is inspired by TLH (among others), but it's not a recreation of the comic. Nolan can do whatever he wants. It doesn't have to be Maroni who scars Two-Face, it could be Joker who does (which is my preference). It would be nice if Joker became Joker because of the fear gas inflicted upon the city by Scarecrow, and Dent became Two-Face because of the Clown Prince of Crime. I'd like a domino effect and a sense of continuity in the movies--the theme in TDK is escalation. Things can only get worse before they get better.

 

[BubbaGump]

lol! This is the two-face I know!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS2e5ZIH7Wo

Holy crap. It's that god damn "The Servant" song again! It's pissing me off. But it's a good AMV.

 

[TheBatman072]

Joker or Maroni. Both make the most sense.

 

[Stanley Ipkiss]

i think it would be better if the joker did it

 

[Keyser Soze]

Okay, here's my attempt to explain why Boss Maroni disfigured Harvey Dent with acid in the comics.

Boss Maroni was finished. His crimes were exposed, he was going down. So he agreed to make a deal with Harvey Dent, exposing Carmine Falcone's illegal activities in court.

HOWEVER, Sofia Gigante - Falcone's daughter - was able to make contact with Maroni in his holding cell. She convinced him that this was not the way to go down, for his family to be remembered. If the families were to ever be united again, Maroni had to make a bold, public demonstration of his loyalty to Falcone. And what better way to do it than by making an example out of one of his top enemies - Harvey Dent - in open, public court? The statement would be simple: this is what happens when you try and bring Falcone to justice.

Hence the acid. Easier slipped into the courtroom than a gun (it was disguised as cough medicine), and plus, throwing it in someone's face would surely make for a horrible, agonising death. Like others have said, the acid was meant to kill Dent. But the attempt failed, and instead he was turned into Two-Face.

Of course, for the movie, this would have to be simplified. Maroni's motive for doing it could be changed, removing the Falcone elements and replacing them with simple revenge.

But at the same time, I wouldn't have a problem with The Joker being the one who scars Dent either.

 

[Judson Caspian]

They should at least follow the comics so far that Maroni scars Dent. I hope what David Goyer said gets changed. Well, since Eric Roberts plays Maroni, looks like it will.

 

[Malone]

I don't want the Joker to scare Harvey.

If it happens, I live.

But Roberts being in the movie tells me otherwise.

I agree.

 

[StorminNorman]

we dont know which version Nolan will use but i do know that the scarcrow was pretty much the TAS version! The whole scheme with the fear gas in the water supply and hold the city for ransom! Straight from TAS! Hopefully Nolan will be smart and use two-face version of TAS as well but I wouldnt mind if it was mixed in with TLH as well.

But the TAS version of Harvey was horrible. Big Bad Harv is ridiculous and hurts the character of Harvey Dent.

Plus the whole getting scarred in a chemical plant is so campy as it is.

TAS Harvey Dent is like Harvey Dent for Dummies - a kids take on the character. Which is perfect for a cartoon, not for a movie.

TLH owns - and Nolan knows this. He wrote the intro to ABSOLUTE THE LONG HALLOWEEN

 

[Batty Belfry]

TLH owns - and Nolan knows this. He wrote the intro to ABSOLUTE THE LONG HALLOWEEN

Speaking of this edition, have you read it? I want to know what Nolan had to say, but I don't wanna fork out $$$$$$ for a book I already have a regular version of just for the forward.

 

[Chucktallica101]

Well...who wouldn't want to throw acid onto Harvey Dent?

 

[strider]

Maroni hated Dent for getting in the way of mob boss so he thought he''ll teach Dent a lesson he'll never forget. Why kill Dent?? then there would be no Two Face.

I think is correct and besides Im pretty much the only person on these boards that thinks Maroni and Dent will have their little time of conflict in TDK. And so they should.

 

[Batman FREAK]

My guess is he'll be facing a life sentence anyhow....he'll probably have nothing left to lose. Just my opinion though...

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Okay, here's my attempt to explain why Boss Maroni disfigured Harvey Dent with acid in the comics.

Boss Maroni was finished. His crimes were exposed, he was going down. So he agreed to make a deal with Harvey Dent, exposing Carmine Falcone's illegal activities in court.

HOWEVER, Sofia Gigante - Falcone's daughter - was able to make contact with Maroni in his holding cell. She convinced him that this was not the way to go down, for his family to be remembered. If the families were to ever be united again, Maroni had to make a bold, public demonstration of his loyalty to Falcone. And what better way to do it than by making an example out of one of his top enemies - Harvey Dent - in open, public court? The statement would be simple: this is what happens when you try and bring Falcone to justice.

Hence the acid. Easier slipped into the courtroom than a gun (it was disguised as cough medicine), and plus, throwing it in someone's face would surely make for a horrible, agonising death. Like others have said, the acid was meant to kill Dent. But the attempt failed, and instead he was turned into Two-Face.

Of course, for the movie, this would have to be simplified. Maroni's motive for doing it could be changed, removing the Falcone elements and replacing them with simple revenge.

But at the same time, I wouldn't have a problem with The Joker being the one who scars Dent either.

That makes sense enough. That's one problem I've always had with TLH. Maroni's motivation seemed so inconsistent. I never did really get exactly why Maroni would throw acid in Dent's face when his goal was to bring down Falcone (at least that's what I thought his goal was.) I thought it was quite poorly written. But what you say makes sense enough. The only reason someone like Maroni would pull a stunt like that is if he had no choice. Simply hating Dent isn't nearly enough for him to throw his life away. Someone would have to have some kind of leverage over him.

In TDK, there's potential for a really good plot development with Dent's scarring. If I were writing it, Maroni would still scar Dent in court with the acid, like in TLH. Only this time around, the Joker (who is still at large) is the one that orchestrates the event. Somehow, he has leverage over Maroni, and backs him into this corner. I just like that idea better than the Joker himself being the one who scars Dent in the courtroom.

 

[neobido9999]

there's a scene in the sides (if i remember) where a witness refuses to finger maroni in court, claiming he is the brains ("i'll show you hostile") - I think that guy is joker...

i think the joker scarring dent would be better for three reasons:

1) it ties the "turning gordon insane" plot of TKJ (which also ties into the IBIHT marketing campaign) - joker tries to make Dent crack. the scarring is the final straw

2) remember that line from Gangs of new york (something like) "to kill a king, you do it whilst the whole court is watching" - same with joker scarring dent in what should be the safest place of all - a courtroom. It's theatrical. And would scare gotham evern more.

3) wildly throwing a vial of acid at someone is much more suited to (and much more fightening from) a crazed clown type guy, as opposed to a run of the mill gangster.

 

[StorminNorman]

Speaking of this edition, have you read it? I want to know what Nolan had to say, but I don't wanna fork out $$$$$$ for a book I already have a regular version of just for the forward.

Given my romantic nature, I would like to think that if I had $75 to spend on a comic, I would buy Absolute Long Halloween - given that it is by far my favorite Batman story involving one of my favorite fictional characters (Harvey) and all that jazz.

Though my true nature would probably buy three other graphic novels

I can dream though, I can dream.