The Dark Knight Rises Why the Competition (TDKR vs. blah)?

[gugumugats]

Why is there so much competition amongst TDKR and Avengers fans. I'm sure most of us are fans of both, but why the heated competition?

Avengers being a commercial/critical success can provide a model for a good Justice League movie.

On the other hand, the TDK franchise has inspired other superhero movies to transcend the genre.

I think the best example of one feeding the other (either negative/positive) is the success of Iron Man indirectly leading to the development of Green Lantern.

 

[Lord]

Lol, i made the TDKR vs Avengers as a way to have fun and discuss predictions until the movies releases, ' haven't been there much but most of the times there isn't any hate between the various fans, most give smart predictions

 

[Boom]

Fans have a tendency to look to critic reviews and box office totals for validation of sorts. The better a film is received critically and financially, the more it "proves" that their opinion of the film is the right one.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a film to perform well - especially when box office success is often the deciding factor for sequels and other future installments. But some fans do have a tendency to put too much stock in it and take it too seriously - as evidenced by these competitions.

The bottom line: if The Avengers makes more money in the long run, it doesn't take away from how good or bad The Dark Knight Rises may turn out to be - and vice versa. It really doesn't matter.

Unfortunately, because of how persistent and heated this "competition" has gotten at times, you can bet your ass there will be a storm of "I told you so's" when all is said and done, accompanied by an arrogant sense of superiority and intelligence by the "winning" party.

 

[The Morningstar]

Fans have a tendency to look to critic reviews and box office totals for validation of sorts. The better a film is received critically and financially, the more it "proves" that their opinion of the film is the right one.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a film to perform well - especially when box office success is often the deciding factor for sequels and other future installments. But some fans do have a tendency to put too much stock in it and take it too seriously - as evidenced by these competitions.

The bottom line: if The Avengers makes more money in the long run, it doesn't take away from how good or bad The Dark Knight Rises may turn out to be - and vice versa. It really doesn't matter.

Unfortunately, because of how persistent and heated this "competition" has gotten at times, you can bet your ass there will be a storm of "I told you so's" when all is said and done, accompanied by an arrogant sense of superiority and intelligence by the Nolanites, regardless of what happens

Fixed. hahahahahaha

 

[Sharkboy]

There is no competition, it's just people like to take sides in order to validate their fandom, get behind sides and find something to win at because they have so little to win at in their lives. Normal people are planning to watch both films, and are hoping to watch both films, even if you prefer one franchise to another. I don't know of a person who champions Avengers who will literally and truthfully not be there in the first week to watch TDK, and vice versa. If there are people like that, then it's become less about the film, and more about some sad lonely arbitrary bragging right.

On that note, I am excited in the Avengers, I just feel that in every single aspect TDK looks and presents to me the promise of a much better film. I could be wrong in my judgement but whatever in the end if they are both great films and they both make money, the winner in the end is me.

 

[The Morningstar]

Indeed. Really, all comic book fans should be excited. I mean i don't even really like TDK or Nolan's vision for the character, but i'm still a massive Batman fan and i'll be there opening weekend for sure.

 

[Nevincer]

Nothing bores me more than fans analysing the behaviour of other fans on these forums.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Nothing bores me more than fans analysing the behaviour of other fans on these forums.

Yeah, I'm also like .

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Why is there so much competition amongst TDKR and Avengers fans

Are you new to the fanboy paradigm?

 

[The Batman]

Why is there so much competition amongst TDKR and Avengers fans. I'm sure most of us are fans of both, but why the heated competition?

Because there is no land of tolerance. There is no peace. Not here, or anywhere else.

 

[gugumugats]

Because there is no land of tolerance. There is no peace. Not here, or anywhere else.

This is why it is hard for Magneto to find tolerance

 

[Brother Jack]

There's an unfortunate tendency in our society to compare to other things. It seems sometimes we cannot evaluate the quality of something without pitting it against something else, even if it's inappropriate. One must be named better than the other, you see. Not looking at things individually and critiquing them as such.

 

[Falcone]

There's an unfortunate tendency in our society to compare to other things. It seems sometimes we cannot evaluate the quality of something without pitting it against something else, even if it's inappropriate. One must be named better than the other, you see. Not looking at things individually and critiquing them as such.

I don't think comparing two summer blockbusters about comic book heroes from the two prominent publishing competitors is unreasonable.

That being said, I think in some regards the comparison loses merit. The Avengers is not quite mindless, but on a far inferior intellectual level of TDKR. I've said before, Nolan's last picture was nominated for Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay. Whedon created Buffy.

The Avengers is an excuse to bring Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, and Thor into one movie to tear New York City apart. TDKR is a conclusion of seven years of developing relationships that test the fabric of civil liberties, parenthood, and self-examination.

So I don't know what the point of comparing a tense thriller about a revolution to a quirky 90 minutes of explosions and crumbling buildings.

 

[Brother Jack]

I don't think comparing two summer blockbusters about comic book heroes from the two prominent publishing competitors is unreasonable.

Not unreasonable. Unnecessary.

 

[Ant-LOX]

Competition is everywhere, why not in competing comic book fan bases?

The sooner you realize that all they want is your money, the sooner you can enjoy all the entertainment they are throwing at you.

 

[The Morningstar]

I don't think comparing two summer blockbusters about comic book heroes from the two prominent publishing competitors is unreasonable.

That being said, I think in some regards the comparison loses merit. The Avengers is not quite mindless, but on a far inferior intellectual level of TDKR. I've said before, Nolan's last picture was nominated for Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay. Whedon created Buffy.

The Avengers is an excuse to bring Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, and Thor into one movie to tear New York City apart. TDKR is a conclusion of seven years of developing relationships that test the fabric of civil liberties, parenthood, and self-examination.

So I don't know what the point of comparing a tense thriller about a revolution to a quirky 90 minutes of explosions and crumbling buildings.

Who says? And why? Because it won't have a socio-political commentary? Doesn't mean it's less intelligent. Simply means it isn't bothered about socio-political commentary and reminding people how **** the real world is.

If the characters are written well, and the story is written well, which I imagine it will be, considering it's a Joss Whedon penned script, then I fail to see how it is less intelligent than TDKR.

The story of Steve Rogers, man out of time, coming to terms with the fact his friends and family and loved ones are all dead, has the potential to be just as compelling as a story about Batman, probably more so actually.

Or how about Tony Stark, billionaire playboy, developing an inferiority complex over the living legend that is Steve Rogers?

Or how about Bruce Banner coming to terms with the beast inside him, realising that he can be a force for good in the world and that he isn't a freak.

Or how about Thor, brother of the enemy, not wanting anyone else to harm him and being conflicted on how to deal with him.

All these bits of characterisation, if done well, shouldn't be looked down upon.

 

[jmc]

I say we need more competition......MOOOOOOOOOORE! Seriously though, it doesn't really matter, if all movies are good in their own way then everyone wins.

 

[Chewy]

I don't think comparing two summer blockbusters about comic book heroes from the two prominent publishing competitors is unreasonable.

That being said, I think in some regards the comparison loses merit. The Avengers is not quite mindless, but on a far inferior intellectual level of TDKR. I've said before, Nolan's last picture was nominated for Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay. Whedon created Buffy.

The Avengers is an excuse to bring Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, and Thor into one movie to tear New York City apart. TDKR is a conclusion of seven years of developing relationships that test the fabric of civil liberties, parenthood, and self-examination.

So I don't know what the point of comparing a tense thriller about a revolution to a quirky 90 minutes of explosions and crumbling buildings.

^

Because of posts like that one

 

[The Morningstar]

I find it ironic that people who think they are intelligent think Avengers will be nothing but explosions. Anyone with any semblance of intelligence would understand that action isn't really Joss Whedon's thing, he's more about characterisation and playing with genre conventions/meta commentary.

 

[The Morningstar]

That is the question, and it remains to be seen. But Whedon is a good writer, I think he can get the balance right.

 

[redhawk23]

Why not?

Really. People seem so baffled or get really ******** any time any discussion comparing various franchises is brought up, or discussing film grosses or whatever. Is it unnecessary? Sure. But so is this ENTIRE FORUM.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Why is it that no one cares to bring up The Amazing Spider-Man?

 

[metaphysician]

Why is it that no one cares to bring up The Amazing Spider-Man?

Because nobody really expects it to be serious competition? I mean, sure, it'll make money, most likely. But in the sense of actually having a shoot at being number one CBM this summer? Not likely. The "unnecessary" reboot hurts it, IMO.

 

[Naked Shia]

Because my movie is da best movie evah!

 

[Doc Phosphorus]

no one cares

The answer's in the question.