Why the Hate for this Movie?

[CaptainClown]

Bullza come on you really want this movie to be amazing. It is ok, the first step is admiting you are a fan boy.

Also people that complain are sometimes proven right just a little food for thought.

Also you are definitly going to like it.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Sorry about getting mouthy earlier but its just annoying me the whole "Nope dragonball could never work as live action even if akira toriyama, odin, zeus and jesus were in charge of making it." Sorry about the fanboys bit, it just annoys me when people seem to want a live-action version to be the exact replica of the manga. It just ain`t gonna happen. I mean name a film remake or comic adaption or book adaption where it was exactly the same as the original.

They can't because they were there from the beginning. It's like not having Goku in this one and having Krillin as the main character instead. It makes no sense.

I don`t think they were there from the begining. Krillin turned up in chapter 25 after the gang had laready been searching for the dragonballs and dodging Pilaf for a while. Tien turned up even later in chapter 113. So how exactly are they essential to the first adventure? The essential group for first adventure (which is what this is partially an adaption of they just changed the weak villain pilaf for the stronger villain lord piccolo) is bulma, goku and yamcha. Tien and krillin didn`t even help with the dragonball searches in the early days. Tien was a rival and krillin was a fellow student. They can be easily used for the early stages of movie #2. Goku is in a tournament against tien and is training with krillin, raditz turns up and tien and krillin join the others to train to defend against the saiyens. See, easy.

Also people that complain are sometimes proven right just a little food for thought.

True but hoping something will work is always more honorable than shooting something down in flames without even giving it a chance based on a small bit of evidence. That kind of attitude is the kind of attitude of people who said people could never use a machine to fly or that you couldn`t break the sound barrier. And they supported their arguemnt with a small amount of evidence that seemed to support their doubts. It took people with open minds to prove those things were possible.

Oh how I love the title of fanboy. It's true that I have a lot of respect and admiration for Dragonball, but more so I also love movies in general. (I'm a film student) But all that's beside the point, I never asked for a word for word or a frame for frame adaption, nevertheless there are certain irrefutable aspects of Dragonball which I don't see represented in this film.

To someone like you Dragonball is all about cool fighting and junk, but it's more than that and likewise a film based on it should be as well. By only including the bare minimum of characters and altering them significantly you lose most of its heart. Example? Doctor Doom from F4...Fox and Tim story would have us believe that "Hey! This is doom!" when it really wasnt.

I look at this movie and see that they're doing to Goku and company what F4 did to Doom. Goku in school period significantly changes the character and Doom not traveling the world and upping his game in science and magic are a part of his character. When you alter significant events like those you fundamentally alter a character. Like calling Doom Vic throughout the whole film, I guess they'll call Goku "G-man" or something next...

But I digress, you people toss the word fanboy around like its a dirty word. Fanboy this, fanboy that...bottom line, fanboys = quality control specialists. If the people who know this stuff backwards and forwards don't speak up and voice their opinions about what they feel is being done wrong, then guess what? Studios will just F-up more of your childhood memories to make a quick buck. You don't really care how DB turns out in the end at least not as much as those you call "Fanboys" thus you're content to point the finger self righteously. Wait until Fox gets its hands on something you truly care about then we'll see who the fanboy is...

What the hell makes Dragonball different from Superman, Batman, or Iron Man? If we made Superman crash land in Detroit and be raised by Gangsters people would be upset. IF Batman was an average Joe who family own a convenient store chain called Wayne-Mart We'd be upset. If Iron Man was a Junkyard owner who built his armor out of spare Chrysler parts we'd be upset. So how come Goku, Tien, and Krillin are expendable? Cuz Japanese manga don't matter as much as American comics so who cares if we omit important supporting characters and alter origins making them mundane to the point of mediocrity.

I mean, who cares right? I CARE!

Firstly, buddy you don`t know anything about me. I`m not some 12 year old punk who watches manga and anime for the pretty effects and kewl fights. I don`t just care about the fighting and effects but I think the core ideas and meaning of the anime is more important than the small details. I am a big dragonball fan I can`t egt enough of it but I have an open mind about it and I understand the ineveitable process of change in adaption. Yes goku lived in the woods in the manga, in LOTR there was another hobbit in the group and they trecked through a forbidden forest, but everyone considers LOTR to be godly and perfect. I simply accept that when you adapt something things have to change. A bad adaptation is when you contradict the way the characters were or you change them beyond all recognition. The only change to goku is that he has an education. He could still live in the woods with his grandfather, he could commute to school. He still seems to have the same personality from the rumours. I mean how important is it that he was living alone in the woods? We only see his hermit life in the woods for a fraction of time before he goes of on the search for the dragonballs anyway.

It isn`t the bare minimum of characters. You in fact are demanding they change the manga to fit your version of dragonball, Krillin and Tien weren`t there at the begining they turned up later. Not having them in the first film is actually more accurate to the manga than putting them in to please the fans.

I care as much as anyone about how the film turns out else but I am more concerned with the characters than with the outer details. If piccilo remains a yellowy pale green then it will be annoying but if the character is 100% spot on then what does it matter. Batman and Robin had visually perfect versions of Bane, Batgirl, Poison Ivy and Mister Freeze but the characters were completly awful and so it was terrible and is best left forgotten. The Dark Knight had an unconventional look for the Joker and Batman 89 had a joker who was completly the wrong age but both worked because the actors did fantastic jobs portraying the characters. As far as I can see from the handful of pics all the characters are pretty much right and so the small details are mostly insignificant because the spirit of the characters is intact.

 

[huzzah]

people keep saying that the film is the most unfaithful adaption ever but that flies in the face of the fact that all the characters are in it (except for krillin and tien), the characters seem to have the personalities they should, the events of the saga are all present and the crew is full of talented professionals: the director is quite good, the producer is great, the fight team worked on 300 and the screenwriter wrote the big hit. one of my favorite action comedies. I mean they even included mai and master mutaito two charatcers who a lot of casual fans wouldn`t even know of. THAT is what is left to like about this film. Countered.

Well I disagree, because recently we heard that Chi-Chi is discribed as an "IT girl". Why? Because they chopped and changed characters around so much that's the only way they can squeeze her into a high school scenario

Master Roshi will only be a perve in T-shirt only and even then most non DragonBall fans wont get it or be interested.

And they may have a great production team but do you really think we'll see Goku do a flying headbutt through Piccolo's chest? It's not going to happen because it doesn't fit in with the style they're trying to portray in the movie.

And I dont see why Krillin or Tien could not be included in this film. Krillen a student training partner for Goku. Tien another opponent in the tournement that befriends Goku and senses Goku's true power. Or maybe have him as one those monks (Ernie Hudson etc). But I suppose having a bald head, no nose and three eyes just does not fit in with the High School Musical Karate Cheer Leader Kid type of film they're coming out with now.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Well I disagree, because recently we heard that Chi-Chi is discribed as an "IT girl". Why? Because they chopped and changed characters around so much that's the only way they can squeeze her into a high school scenario

As long as the character is the same; fiery spirit, loving but domineering and strong willed, then chi-chi could be a part time pornstar or a CIA agent and it wouldn`t matter. Do you want it to be an exact copy of the manga then? Ok have her turn up in the first scene as an 8 year old in a revealing xena outfit because that is how her first appearance went down in the source material. Good luck getting that film made without getting arrested.

Master Roshi will only be a perve in T-shirt only and even then most non DragonBall fans wont get it or be interested.

You are basing this on what? You use the pic of roshi as evidence they have got it wrong but you state yourself that they have master roshi in a pervey t-shirt in the shot. How do you know that is all they are going to do with that? You are just making a wild assumption. How do you know roshi doesn`t keep asking bulma to go out with him or that goku doesn`t meet roshi for the first time and find him flicking through a playboy and drooling over the girls in it? The dirty t-shirt is more evidence that they may have got it right.

And they may have a great production team but do you really think we'll see Goku do a flying headbutt through Piccolo's chest? It's not going to happen because it doesn't fit in with the style they're trying to portray in the movie.

Again what are you basing this on? We have seen no fights apart from a martial arts tournament between two human women. How do you know what fighting is gonna be in the film? At this point it could be anything from two guys slapping each other with fishes to full on dragonballz style kung fu insanity. We just don`t know because we have seen nothing.

And I dont see why Krillin or Tien could not be included in this film. Krillen a student training partner for Goku. Tien another opponent in the tournement that befriends Goku and senses Goku's true power. Or maybe have him as one those monks (Ernie Hudson etc). But I suppose having a bald head, no nose and three eyes just does not fit in with the High School Musical Karate Cheer Leader Kid type of film they're coming out with now.

Firstly krillin and tien were not there at the begining so it is actually more faithful to the manga to leave them out. Chi-chi appeared in the first story arc so her inclusion is acceptable.

Secondly so you would rather they cram tien and krillin in there anyway they can rather than do the logical thing and have them turn up as part of the expanded cast for a sequel?

 

[StylishHokie21]

Sorry about getting mouthy earlier but its just annoying me the whole "Nope dragonball could never work as live action even if akira toriyama, odin, zeus and jesus were in charge of making it." Sorry about the fanboys bit, it just annoys me when people seem to want a live-action version to be the exact replica of the manga. It just ain`t gonna happen. I mean name a film remake or comic adaption or book adaption where it was exactly the same as the original.

No one is saying it has to be an exact replica, but simple things like making Piccolo green or Roshi sporting his bear and mustache is simply lazy. I'll name a comic books that did it correctly. Spider-Man, Batman, TMNT, etc.

I don`t think they were there from the begining. Krillin turned up in chapter 25 after the gang had laready been searching for the dragonballs and dodging Pilaf for a while. Tien turned up even later in chapter 113. So how exactly are they essential to the first adventure? The essential group for first adventure (which is what this is partially an adaption of they just changed the weak villain pilaf for the stronger villain lord piccolo) is bulma, goku and yamcha. Tien and krillin didn`t even help with the dragonball searches in the early days. Tien was a rival and krillin was a fellow student. They can be easily used for the early stages of movie #2. Goku is in a tournament against tien and is training with krillin, raditz turns up and tien and krillin join the others to train to defend against the saiyens. See, easy.

Yeah, but the problem is this is the King Piccolo saga correct? I don't care where they appeared in the manga. I don't follow the manga, so you're wasting your time there. Goku wanted to avenge Krillin's death. Tien was there to support Goku. For Fox, it's easy. That's probably how they'll end up doing it, too.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

No one is saying it has to be an exact replica, but simple things like making Piccolo green or Roshi sporting his bear and mustache is simply lazy. I'll name a comic books that did it correctly. Spider-Man, Batman, TMNT, etc.

Many hardcore spiderman, batman and tmnt fans would prob disagree.

Yeah, but the problem is this is the King Piccolo saga correct? I don't care where they appeared in the manga. I don't follow the manga, so you're wasting your time there. Goku wanted to avenge Krillin's death. Tien was there to support Goku. For Fox, it's easy. That's probably how they'll end up doing it, too.

Fox evidently thought that made far bigger emotional impact to have goku avenging his grandfather`s death than to have him avenging his friend`s death anmd to have that goku killed hs grandfather himself by falling on him.

 

[huzzah]

As long as the character is the same; fiery spirit, loving but domineering and strong willed, then chi-chi could be a part time pornstar or a CIA agent and it wouldn`t matter. Do you want it to be an exact copy of the manga then? Ok have her turn up in the first scene as an 8 year old in a revealing xena outfit because that is how her first appearance went down in the source material. Good luck getting that film made without getting arrested.



You are basing this on what? You use the pic of roshi as evidence they have got it wrong but you state yourself that they have master roshi in a pervey t-shirt in the shot. How do you know that is all they are going to do with that? You are just making a wild assumption. How do you know roshi doesn`t keep asking bulma to go out with him or that goku doesn`t meet roshi for the first time and find him flicking through a playboy and drooling over the girls in it? The dirty t-shirt is more evidence that they may have got it right.



Again what are you basing this on? We have seen no fights apart from a martial arts tournament between two human women. How do you know what fighting is gonna be in the film? At this point it could be anything from two guys slapping each other with fishes to full on dragonballz style kung fu insanity. We just don`t know because we have seen nothing.


Firstly krillin and tien were not there at the begining so it is actually more faithful to the manga to leave them out. Chi-chi appeared in the first story arc so her inclusion is acceptable.

Secondly so you would rather they cram tien and krillin in there anyway they can rather than do the logical thing and have them turn up as part of the expanded cast for a sequel?

Well the Chi-chi in this film is a lot older than 8 years of age - but even so, that's not the IMAGE they want portrayed.

I've said before about Roshi, they've rewritten the character. He wears a shirt, T-shirt in homeage but does he look like him at all? Is that so hard to do? No because it does not fit in with how THEY want him to be portrayed on screen.

That "fight" or scrap between Chi-Chi and Mai is an indication to me of what to expect - its nothing I haven't a million times before. And the screen shot of Goku and Piccolo is an indication, to me, of whats coming -Im not holding my breath.

And at what point would Tien or Krillin appear in the sequel, if at all? The Saiyan Saga? What would be the point of introducing them in the Saiyan Saga and what would be the back story to them? We cant have another martial arts tournement. Where would they suddenly fit in? The current story could be modified to include both of them WITHOUT cramming, as you put it, more characters and affecting too much the CURRENT story line. I have given some brief examples of how it could be done and not dismissed it out of hand.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Well the Chi-chi in this film is a lot older than 8 years of age - but even so, that's not the IMAGE they want portrayed..

Well that is how chi-chi first appeared so if you want everything the same as the manga/anime. Chi-chi had very little backstory in the manga and what she did have would seem odd. She lives with her father the ox-king at the bottom of a burning mountain. Maybe they wanted her to not immediatly be tied down to goku as his gf. Maybe they wanted to demonstrate her strong will and independant spirit in a more real world setting. Besides she won`t be IT girl at the end of the film, she`ll be goku`s wife or something.

I've said before about Roshi, they've rewritten the character. He wears a shirt, T-shirt in homeage but does he look like him at all? Is that so hard to do? No because it does not fit in with how THEY want him to be portrayed on screen..

Is that the sum of the master roshi character? How he looks? Perhaps they though master roshi looks too much like the cliched karate kid mentor type and so decided to change it. I mean can you really tell me roshi`s appearance isn`t very cliched.

That "fight" or scrap between Chi-Chi and Mai is an indication to me of what to expect - its nothing I haven't a million times before. And the screen shot of Goku and Piccolo is an indication, to me, of whats coming -Im not holding my breath..

That was shaky illegal set footage of a standard fight between two human women. I seem to remember that neither mai nor chi-chi ran about doing kanehamehas or instant transmission in the animes. They were skilled martial artists but neither of them did piccilo or goku style moves. The footage proves nothing. I mean if you had seen footage of the hobbits fighting in the first lotr people could have used it as evidence that all the fighting was gonna be terrible.

And at what point would Tien or Krillin appear in the sequel, if at all? The Saiyan Saga? What would be the point of introducing them in the Saiyan Saga and what would be the back story to them? We cant have another martial arts tournement. Where would they suddenly fit in? The current story could be modified to include both of them WITHOUT cramming, as you put it, more characters and affecting too much the CURRENT story line. I have given some brief examples of how it could be done and not dismissed it out of hand.

They aren`t essential to the first storyline. It would be nice to see them but just putting them in for no reason is just adding pointless diversions from the main plot.

Introduce them film 2. Have krillin in goku`s sparring partner and fellow roshi student. Goku competes in a tournament at the begining of the flick. He fighjts tien and beats him. Piccilo jr is the next contestant and they face off. Raditz turns up during the fight and goku and piccilo jr reluctantly join forces. Raditz and goku die as in the manga. The rest of the characters realise they need to prepare for the arrival of the saiyens. Tien pitches in with the other characters as he realises the very world is at stake. Then we get 45 mins to an hour mins of the characters training and becoming friends while the saiyens close in, piccilo trains gohan and goku does his bit in heaven.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

The thing that I really find funny is how people talk about the Dragonball Live Action movie as if this is the first time an adaption has deviated from the source material at all.

Lord of the Rings

Reactions to changes in the movies from the book
See also: List of original characters in The Lord of the Rings film trilogy
While the films were generally well received, some readers of the book have decried certain changes[48][49] made in the movie adaptation. Various changes made to characters such as Gandalf, Aragorn, Arwen, Denethor, Faramir, and Gimli, as well as to the main protagonist Frodo himself;[50] and changes made to events (such as the Elves participating at the Battle of Helm's Deep, and Faramir taking the hobbits to Osgiliath);[51], taken together, are seen to alter the tone and themes from those found in the book.

Many have also decried the wholesale deletion of the penultimate chapter of the novel, "The Scouring of the Shire",[52] a part Tolkien felt thematically necessary.

Wayne G. Hammond, a noted Tolkien scholar, has said of the first two films:

“ "I find both of the Jackson films to be travesties as adaptations... faithful only on a basic level of plot... Cut and compress as necessary, yes, but don't change or add new material without very good reason... In the moments in which the films succeed, they do so by staying close to what Tolkien so carefully wrote; where they fail, it tends to be where they diverge from him, most seriously in the area of characterization. Most of the characters in the films are mere shadows of those in the book, weak and diminished (notably Frodo) or insulting caricatures (Pippin, Merry, and Gimli)... [T]he filmmakers sacrifice the richness of Tolkien's story and characters, not to mention common sense, for violence, cheap humor, and cheaper thrills... o many of its reviewers have praised it as faithful to the book, or even superior to it, all of which adds insult to injury and is demonstrably wrong..."[48][53] ”

Some fans of the book who disagreed with such changes have released fan edits of the films, which removed many of the changes to bring them closer to the original. A combined 8-hour version of the trilogy exists, called The Lord of the Rings: The Purist Edition.[54][55]
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Those LOTR fans don`t get heard much these days. And people now make out that everyone loved the LOTR films and that they were perfect adaptions.

What about X-Men? People say how wonderous it was but they deviated far more from the source than dragonball has and they still got big bucks and praise.

Ditto for Spiderman. Lets not forget that contrary to everyone`s recollections not everyone loved the spidey film. You talk about dragonball having power rangers looking villains? Take a gander at spiderman where they took a villain in a sensible costume and put him in bright emerald mighty morphin pointy headed armor.

And lets not forget transformers. I remember the arguements before that movie "Optimus Prime is the wrong colour" "I hate the new designs" "the energon cube WTF". There were a lot of tf fans saying how the movie was rubbish and how it would bomb before they had even seen a screenshot. And when they did see pics and the trailer they complained even more.

Then the film came out.

And although some people still say they hate it. A lot of people shut up about it once it made big bucks because...

a)They went to see it and realised it was a cool flick.
b)All their non-tf fan friends love it and they don`t wanna seem like a nerd by nitpicking about Optimus` red flame paintwork.

Either dragonball will do bad or 80% of the fans who are saying "the film is crap i`ll never ever watch it" will in fatc go and watch the film and either enjoy it or shut up because all their mates love it.

 

[huzzah]

Those LOTR fans don`t get heard much these days. And people now make out that everyone loved the LOTR films and that they were perfect adaptions.

What about X-Men? People say how wonderous it was but they deviated far more from the source than dragonball has and they still got big bucks and praise.

Ditto for Spiderman. Lets not forget that contrary to everyone`s recollections not everyone loved the spidey film. You talk about dragonball having power rangers looking villains? Take a gander at spiderman where they took a villain in a sensible costume and put him in bright emerald mighty morphin pointy headed armor.

And lets not forget transformers. I remember the arguements before that movie "Optimus Prime is the wrong colour" "I hate the new designs" "the energon cube WTF". There were a lot of tf fans saying how the movie was rubbish and how it would bomb before they had even seen a screenshot. And when they did see pics and the trailer they complained even more.

Then the film came out.

And although some people still say they hate it. A lot of people shut up about it once it made big bucks because...

a)They went to see it and realised it was a cool flick.
b)All their non-tf fan friends love it and they don`t wanna seem like a nerd by nitpicking about Optimus` red flame paintwork.

Either dragonball will do bad or 80% of the fans who are saying "the film is crap i`ll never ever watch it" will in fatc go and watch the film and either enjoy it or shut up because all their mates love it.

But did these films succeed because of the fans of the novel / comcis? No. It was the average Joe that saw the films and unfamliar concepts and liked them. I know people that liked the X-men cartoons (not hardcore fans) that thought the X-men films were average and nothing to shout about.

There's no point in telling people to put-up or shut-up when they have perfectly valid concerns about the direction a film is taking.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

But did these films succeed because of the fans of the novel / comcis? No. It was the average Joe that saw the films and unfamliar concepts and liked them. I know people that liked the X-men cartoons (not hardcore fans) that thought the X-men films were average and nothing to shout about.

There's no point in telling people to put-up or shut-up when they have perfectly valid concerns about the direction a film is taking.

I don`t mind legitimate concerns. I mind people who just say "the film looks awful it will bomb!" or "Its impossible to do DBZ Live Action!", I mean how are you supposed to respond or have an engaged discussion with that?

My point is that there were a lot of hardcore fans of those other properties who said the films were awful or that it was impssible to adapt the source material. But once the film does well every one forgets the adaptions had nce been controversial. Which is why you always get people saying "don`t compare this to transformers!" because they know people said the same things about transformers and it did alright.

 

[Water Wagon]

If you include Krillin now for the sequel the only thing to be excited about is Vegeta.

To keep interest its good to introduce heroes and villains.

X-men 2 brought in Nightcrawler

X-men 3 brought in Beast, Angel

Fantastic Four 2 brought in Silver Surfer

Batman Forever brought in Robin.

This movie is based on the Pilaf and King Piccolo sagas, Krillin wasn't in the Pilaf saga and he was dead throughout the King Piccolo saga.

 

[SolarTiger]

I think a good way to introduce Krillin and Tien would be to have Kami or Mr.Popo gather the greatest fighters of the Earth to defend the earth from the incoming saiyans while Goku is in the otherworld.

 

[Water Wagon]

Well i always thought Krillin would be better suited for a sequel. Goku would be dead so you'd have Krillin as one of the earth fighters, and also a friend to Gohan.

Because in Z Krillin and Gohan were closer than Krillin and Goku.

 

[scatterax]

Well i always thought Krillin would be better suited for a sequel. Goku would be dead so you'd have Krillin as one of the earth fighters, and also a friend to Gohan.

Because in Z Krillin and Gohan were closer than Krillin and Goku.

I wouldn't say that. I mean sure they hung out allot when goku died, but than he came back and trained his son in the cell saga for like a year. They had to of gotten close after that much 1 on 1 time

 

[scatterax]

....and than I'd say piccolo's also closer to gohan than krillin.

 

[DorkyFresh]

My point is that there were a lot of hardcore fans of those other properties who said the films were awful or that it was impssible to adapt the source material. But once the film does well every one forgets the adaptions had nce been controversial. Which is why you always get people saying "don`t compare this to transformers!" because they know people said the same things about transformers and it did alright.

actually....i'm one of the people here that keep asking people not to compare DB to Transformers and that's definitely NOT the reason why. the reason why i, personally, ask people not to compare DB to TF is because TF actually had a lot going for it while DB doesn't really have much going for it.

 

[scatterax]

actually....i'm one of the people here that keep asking people not to compare DB to Transformers and that's definitely NOT the reason why. the reason why i, personally, ask people not to compare DB to TF is because TF actually had a lot going for it while DB doesn't really have much going for it.

nobody thought it had anything going for it until it came out. how do u know it won't be the same 4 db?

 

[Water Wagon]

I wouldn't say that. I mean sure they hung out allot when goku died, but than he came back and trained his son in the cell saga for like a year. They had to of gotten close after that much 1 on 1 time

In DBZ Krillin was with Gohan all throughout thd Freeza arc, Garlic Jr saga.

Krillin wasnt really around Goku anymore.

Goku was dead at the start of Z, then after the fight with Vegeta, Krillin went to space.

Goku went to space and Krillin died.

Goku came to earth 2 years after, heard about the androids, trained for 3 years.

Goku was ill at his house, training in the hyberbolic time chamber, fighting Cell, died.

And in the Buu Arc either Goku was dead or Krillin was dead.

 

[scatterax]

So? I still say krillin only came in 3rd (or maybe 4th, if you include chi chi) in gohans life. and goku came 1st, and that piccolo came 2nd. cause, ya know, he looked up to them more and stuff.

 

[DorkyFresh]

nobody thought it had anything going for it until it came out. how do u know it won't be the same 4 db?

if you think that no one thought TF had anything going for it then you probably weren't around for the discussions. there were plenty of people that thought TF had a lot going for it. even the pessimists acknowledged that Spielberg's name being attached gave them a little hope. they also acknowledged that ILM doing the effects would be one of the best things about the movie.

i know it won't be the same for DB because everything about this movie indicates that this movie was fast tracked and rushed.....and James Wong is NOWHERE NEAR as good at directing action as Michael Bay is.

 

[scatterax]

if you think that no one thought TF had anything going for it then you probably weren't around for the discussions. there were plenty of people that thought TF had a lot going for it. even the pessimists acknowledged that Spielberg's name being attached gave them a little hope. they also acknowledged that ILM doing the effects would be one of the best things about the movie.

i know it won't be the same for DB because everything about this movie indicates that this movie was fast tracked and rushed.....and James Wong is NOWHERE NEAR as good at directing action as Michael Bay is.

it does seem to be going through similar cycles tho. but maybe you weren't around for when the people started complaining about how all the robots apparently looked like crap. how steven Spielburg should have been the director cause michael bay sucks, or how they thought that the movie was more about the humans than the robots, and it should be more faithful to the source material. Oh, and you might not be awhare, but there are still a few people who like what they've seen for db. and b4 piccolo was revealed, everybody thought james marsters was gonna be the guiding light for db.

Look, I'm not saying I think it'll turn out as good as tf, cause I don't. I'm just saying it's easy for me to see why people can look at db & think about transfromers. or even movies like batman and x-men.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

it does seem to be going through similar cycles tho. but maybe you weren't around for when the people started complaining about how all the robots apparently looked like crap. how steven Spielburg should have been the director cause michael bay sucks, or how they thought that the movie was more about the humans than the robots, and it should be more faithful to the source material. Oh, and you might not be awhare, but there are still a few people who like what they've seen for db. and b4 piccolo was revealed, everybody thought james marsters was gonna be the guiding light for db.

Look, I'm not saying I think it'll turn out as good as tf, cause I don't. I'm just saying it's easy for me to see why people can look at db & think about transfromers. or even movies like batman and x-men.

Definitly i saw so many of those endless discussions bout tf.

Wong may not be the greatest director but he is quite good.

In the same way that spielburg was the guiding light for tf, i personally think that masters with his enthusiasm for db and steven chow`s influence as producer will keep this film heading in the right direction. I mean you can say many things but i don`t think you can fault steven chow`s ability and dedication.

 

[DorkyFresh]

it does seem to be going through similar cycles tho. but maybe you weren't around for when the people started complaining about how all the robots apparently looked like crap.

every movie goes through similar cycles and criticisms, however, the results are hardly ever the same....which is why i know that DB won't turn out a result like TF.

Look, I'm not saying I think it'll turn out as good as tf, cause I don't. I'm just saying it's easy for me to see why people can look at db & think about transfromers. or even movies like batman and x-men.

i understand why people compare this movie to other movies as well, but i ask them not to compare them to the movies that i feel that this movie isn't comparable to. while TF was plagued with similar problems (faithfulness, unpopular director, etc.) it still had a solid foundation. this movie, however, has SOME good aspects but the foundation is flaky.....which is why i don't think this movie should be compared to TF.

Wong may not be the greatest director but he is quite good.

i wouldn't say he's QUITE a good director but i wouldn't say he's a bad director either. i think he's an OKAY director.

In the same way that spielburg was the guiding light for tf, i personally think that masters with his enthusiasm for db and steven chow`s influence as producer will keep this film heading in the right direction. I mean you can say many things but i don`t think you can fault steven chow`s ability and dedication.

honestly, if they had been given more time to prepare i think this movie would've been much better than it eventually will be. i still think James Wong would have made unnecessary changes and left things out that could have been put in, but i think the quality of the over all film would've been better. my main problem with this movie is that it was rushed.....which indicates exploitation rather than a genuine attempt to reinvigorate the franchise.

 

[scatterax]

every movie goes through similar cycles and criticisms, however, the results are hardly ever the same....which is why i know that DB won't turn out a result like TF.


i understand why people compare this movie to other movies as well, but i ask them not to compare them to the movies that i feel that this movie isn't comparable to. while TF was plagued with similar problems (faithfulness, unpopular director, etc.) it still had a solid foundation. this movie, however, has SOME good aspects but the foundation is flaky.....which is why i don't think this movie should be compared to TF.


i wouldn't say he's QUITE a good director but i wouldn't say he's a bad director either. i think he's an OKAY director.


honestly, if they had been given more time to prepare i think this movie would've been much better than it eventually will be. i still think James Wong would have made unnecessary changes and left things out that could have been put in, but i think the quality of the over all film would've been better. my main problem with this movie is that it was rushed.....which indicates exploitation rather than a genuine attempt to reinvigorate the franchise.

fair enough