Why the hate for Wolverine?

[x-fan]

i'll tell you why people hate wolverine, the same reason i cant stand cyke. to me cyke is an up tight control freak and wolvie is the guy that does what he wants on a whim and can careless what other thinks. i can relate to logan but not cyke so i tend to dislike him. same goes for wolvie haters the cant realate and therefore dont want him to be overshadowed by anyone else espesially logan. this is my opinion correct me if im wrong

what the xmen need for a director because of the huge cast is atleast 2hrs of run time and a director...not singer...who can handle large casts like the guy that directed the oceans movies which had upwards or 15 cast members who all had screen time

 

[Hulkster]

hulkster he didnt ruin the movie all the reviews praise his performance and say that the movie sucked inspite of his outstanding performance, i have never read a review that was negetive toward hugh. some of his movies but he is the only thing good in those according to the critics

The point is, Hugh Jackman is nothing if it wasn't for the character Wolverine. If he's not playing Wolverine in his movies, it would probably suck. He just got lucky that he was chosen to be Wolverine, because if they pick another actor, that actor would be the one getting the attention in all 3 X-movies.

i'll tell you why people hate wolverine, the same reason i cant stand cyke. to me cyke is an up tight control freak and wolvie is the guy that does what he wants on a whim and can careless what other thinks. i can relate to logan but not cyke so i tend to dislike him. same goes for wolvie haters the cant realate and therefore dont want him to be overshadowed by anyone else espesially logan. this is my opinion correct me if im wrong

what the xmen need for a director because of the huge cast is atleast 2hrs of run time and a director...not singer...who can handle large casts like the guy that directed the oceans movies which had upwards or 15 cast members who all had screen time

What I hate about the Wolverine character is, he's "always the star", "always the diva" and alway's the "center of attention". Who would want a character who alway's push the other characters and make them look like they aren't part of the team.

I agree with you that the X-men really needs a good director and also a good writer.

 

[Retroman]

Why the hate for Wolverine?

I like the character but stuff like this

X-Men Make Last Stand on DVD in October

Monday, July 31, 2006
By: Ryan Ball

X-Men: The Last Stand, the summer’s biggest movie before Captain Jack Sparrow pulled into port, is set to arrive on home video on Oct. 3. The Fox Home Entertainment release will include three alternate endings, ten deleted/extended scenes and commentary from director Brett Ratner. There will also be a special collector’s edition that will be packaged with an exclusive X-Men comic book written by franchise creator Stan Lee, his first original Marvel Comic in five years. Completists will also be able to pick up The X-Men Trilogy Pack featuring all three films.

In X-Men: The Last Stand, lines are drawn between mutants when a cure for mutations is discovered and certain tortured superheroes are seduced by the possibility of leading normal lives. Hugh Jackman returns to lead the good guys as Wolverine, while Frasier star Kelsey Grammer joins the cast as Dr. Hank McCoy, a hairy, blue mutant also known as “Beast.” The film features visual effects work by MPC, Soho VFX, Weta Digital, Cinesite, Framestore CFC, Rhythm & Hues and Kleiser-Walczak. The DVD will be available for the suggested retail price of $29.98 and includes commentary by writers Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg, and producers Lauren Shuler-Donner, Ralph Winter, Avi Arad and David Gorder. Fans will also find a couple of Easter eggs and an inside look at the upcoming Ben Stiller fantasy-comedy, A Night At The Museum.

X-Men: The Last Stand Collector's Edition will include a 100-page commemorative book featuring Lee’s original comic, "The Unlikely Saga of Magneto, Xavier and Stan." The comic boasts art by some such legendary Marvel artists as iJohn Romita Jr. (Spider-Man), Pasqual Ferry (Ultimate Fantastic 4), Leinil Francis Yu (The Avengers), Howard Chaykin (Hulk Girl), Ben Oliver (Ultimate X-Men), Ron Frenz (Spider-Man), Sean Chen (-Men: The End) and Ron Lim (Silver Surfer). Also included are Lee's personal favorite selections for three classic X-Men comic reprints. The edition will list for $39.98, while the X-Men Trilogy Pack sells for $44.98.

Sources: http://www.animationmagazine.net/article.php?article_id=5716

and the tons of promo shots of him( These are just a few) and what at time seem liked forced usage of his character in X3.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

i think Wolverine had more promo pics than the whole cast together...

 

[ntcrawler]

I like the character but stuff like this

Hugh Jackman returns to lead the good guys as Wolverine

And that, is the root of the problem and of my gripes. Last time I checked,, in X2, a certain one red-eyed gentleman and a bald man were leading the good guys.

My but how things have changed since X1.

 

[Jan Irisi]

He has a point why are you so freaked out?

Um....it's fictional characters we are talking about here folks. FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!!!!! Wolverine can't have some sick demented plan to "screw over Cyclops" and take over his life...because they are both fictional characters!!!!

It's getting a bit scary reading some of these posts now. I can't help but get the impression that some are blurring the line between real life and fantasy.

The character of Cyclops got a raw deal, that none of us can deny. But some of the so called reasons behind it that I have been reading here are....I mean really...Wow.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Um....it's fictional characters we are talking about here folks. FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!!!!! Wolverine can't have some sick demented plan to "screw over Cyclops" and take over his life...because they are both fictional characters!!!!

It's getting a bit scary reading some of these posts now. I can't help but get the impression that some are blurring the line between real life and fantasy.

The character of Cyclops got a raw deal, that none of us can deny. But some of the so called reasons behind it that I have been reading here are....I mean really...Wow.

I don't think anyone said Jackman had anything to do with Cyclops limited role. In fact, you have some who really like Jackman and know that he's an actual nice guy.

But it's been documented by the decision to remove Cyclops was political, childish, and blasphemous. Look, I'll explain it to you:

Didn't you see how weird it was that FOX only jumped at a X-Men 3 until it was announced Singer left to do Superman Returns? They took such a long time signing a director when they should've locked him up for three movies. People are disappointed because after three years this is what we get?

We get the leader killed off, we get Wolverine becoming WolvClops, Storm being placed in charge, Mystique being cured, Rogue being cured, Xavier dying, Magneto being cured, and a very anti-climatic battle that was supposed to be, "the battles of all battles", "much like Return of the King", and blah, blah, blah.

But it seems really weird that they only jumped on it once Singer started directing Superman Returns. Instead of them taking their time to release a much better film, they felt the need to rush and become a very political operative campaign which kept it from being the best film. That is why the likes of Nolan and Raimi are respected.

Can you imagine Batman Begins going through what X3 did? Can you imagine Spider-Man 3 going through this? No. Because unlike Fox the WB and Sony know that a profit isn't made from rushing a movie like X3 was.

 

[Angamb]

do you think is possible that the introduction of Gambit in the franchise will change things a little? to a more x-men film, and less Wolverine?

 

[x-fan]

i hate to say it but nice guys finish last and it is obvious in the xmen series....but remember i have stated that i too believe that cyke was screwed over in the whole series not just the last one, something else i have noticed ove my 20 some od years of reading and collecting most people that like wolverine hate cyke and visa versa. its like ford or chevy lol

 

[x-fan]

Can you imagine Batman Begins going through what X3 did? Can you imagine Spider-Man 3 going through this? No. Because unlike Fox the WB and Sony know that a profit isn't made from rushing a movie like X3 was.

i think it was the studio that screwed the whole series, they didnt even want singer i dont think look at the way they wouldnt give him a decent budget, then in comes brett and boom big money budget...makes you wonder dont it

 

[LastSunrise1981]

do you think is possible that the introduction of Gambit in the franchise will change things a little? to a more x-men film, and less Wolverine?

Doubt it. Wolverine is far more known to the non-fan than Gambit is. If anything Gambit would receive the same treatment that Cyclops, Rogue, Colossus, and Angel received.

 

[danoyse]

And that, is the root of the problem and of my gripes. Last time I checked,, in X2, a certain one red-eyed gentleman and a bald man were leading the good guys.

My but how things have changed since X1.

Last time I saw X2, I had forgotten Cyclops was in it.

Has it come to this now? Finding conspiracy in promotional articles about the X-Men DVD? Is sales material now flying in the face of comic book lore? Why is no one complaining that Kelsey Grammer was the only other cast member mentioned in that description?

 

[danoyse]

The point is, Hugh Jackman is nothing if it wasn't for the character Wolverine. If he's not playing Wolverine in his movies, it would probably suck. He just got lucky that he was chosen to be Wolverine, because if they pick another actor, that actor would be the one getting the attention in all 3 X-movies.

He's where he is now because of how well he played Wolverine, not just because he played Wolverine.

 

[The Batman]

Again, I will repeat it again, for clarity. Simple and without the bells and whistles for you.

Jackman clicked with the audience in the first film. Marsden did not.
Fox would be absolutely foolish not to capitalize on the fact that Jackman made an impact on the audience. So indeed, Fox utilized the one character/actor that made an impact on the crowd. Both actors were unknowns at the time. Both had the same opportunity to click with audiences. Again, Jackman clicked, Marsden did not. This process was set about from the first film. It didn't all of a sudden come to light with the third.

And I just need to point out one tiny little detail to you. Look at your own circumstances before you begin throwing stones at "Storm fans" or "Wolverine fans" because right at this very moment, Cyclops fans have nothing to crow about, and have no cause to run around with the "I'm better than you" attitude. None.at.all.

I'm sorry....are you still talking?

Orlando Bloom is loved by girls all over the world....and you dont see legolas being the one who destroys the ring....you dont see him take aragons role and bangin liv tyler.

Same with Harrison Ford. His Han Solo is loved by many....and in the end, hes not the one who fights the emperor and darth vader. luke is.

So please, stop with this "The audience likes him more, so he must be the most important guy!" because history shows that, even while some characters are loved more than others, they dont end up saving the day.

Wolverine and Storm fans have nothing to crow about either. So this sad defense of the character...isnt.really.necessary.at.all.

 

[The Batman]

Can´t you see, danoyse? We Wolverine fans are mean people. Bad, bad, terrible people - that´s what we are! We can´t understand the inner goodness, sharing souls and pure spirit of Cyke fans.
Sweet Jesus...what next?

Its not that you guys are mean...

Its that you guys are annoying and honestly havent a damn clue....

 

[CapBeerCino]

Last time I saw X2, I had forgotten Cyclops was in it.

Good for you!

 

[Jan Irisi]

Its not that you guys are mean...

Its that you guys are annoying and honestly havent a damn clue....

Who hasn't a clue? I can get a more reasoned discussion with my nine year old, without insults.

And by the way, for the record, you are the one who is mean spirited.

 

[The Batman]

i'm only mean spirited when I read absolute stupidity.


You people honestly havent a clue. Seriously. People are offering reasons for why they feel they way they do, and you and the others offer is stupid crap like "You take these characters too seriously" or "Marsden just didnt have it" whatever the hell that means. Even a mentally incapacitated monkey has a better understanding of the cyke fans point than you guys do.

This isnt a reasoned debate. This board has never been about reasonable debate....so stop acting like it is.

 

[Jan Irisi]

I'm sorry....are you still talking?

Orlando Bloom is loved by girls all over the world....and you dont see legolas being the one who destroys the ring....you dont see him take aragons role and bangin liv tyler.

Same with Harrison Ford. His Han Solo is loved by many....and in the end, hes not the one who fights the emperor and darth vader. luke is.

So please, stop with this "The audience likes him more, so he must be the most important guy!" because history shows that, even while some characters are loved more than others, they dont end up saving the day.

Wolverine and Storm fans have nothing to crow about either. So this sad defense of the character...isnt.really.necessary.at.all.

Sad defense of a character? God get a grip. So you are saying that since people are fawning over a character who isn't Cyclops, their like of the character is invalid? Who died and made you king?

Once more, it is not just the actor, it is the actor making a connection as the character that makes the difference. Yup, little girlies go gaga over Orlando Bloom, but that doesn't mean that Legolas made that strong of an impact as a character. Can you understand what I am saying, or do I have to repeat it ad nauseum? It is Jackman as Wolverine that made the impact with the audience. Not Jackman alone.

 

[Jan Irisi]

i'm only mean spirited when I read absolute stupidity.


You people honestly havent a clue. Seriously. People are offering reasons for why they feel they way they do, and you and the others offer is stupid crap like "You take these characters too seriously" or "Marsden just didnt have it" whatever the hell that means. Even a mentally incapacitated monkey has a better understanding of the cyke fans point than you guys do.

This isnt a reasoned debate. This board has never been about reasonable debate....so stop acting like it is.

When offered crap like "Wolverine stole everything" as a reason why you all are pissed off, then...it is a sad day indeed. And yes, you do take things waaaaaaaaay to seriously.

 

[undomiel]

Hey, Jan. Hey, Bat. What's up? It's been a while, I know. So -- little tense around here, isn't it? I've actually missed these crazy debates, I think.

Well, let's all try to fight nice.

Now, about this hate-for-Wolverine issue...I have one question. What do people mean by "over exposed"?

 

[Celestial]

Now, about this hate-for-Wolverine issue...I have one question. What do people mean by "over exposed"?

You're right. The only kind of overexposure I've seen was the backlight in X2. And how come the CGI pants stayed on at the end of X3?

 

[danoyse]

Orlando Bloom is loved by girls all over the world....and you dont see legolas being the one who destroys the ring....you dont see him take aragons role and bangin liv tyler.

That was because all 3 LOTR movies were filmed at the same time--aside from pickups. There was no re-signing Orlando to a sequel to get a bigger part in LOTR due to fan appeal.

But it did happen with POTC.

Same with Harrison Ford. His Han Solo is loved by many....and in the end, hes not the one who fights the emperor and darth vader. luke is.

And again, Luke was set as the hero to face Vader from the first movie.

Also on that note, who ended up with the better career after Star Wars?

So please, stop with this "The audience likes him more, so he must be the most important guy!" because history shows that, even while some characters are loved more than others, they dont end up saving the day.

Wolverine and Storm fans have nothing to crow about either. So this sad defense of the character...isnt.really.necessary.at.all.

So everyone with an opinion that isn't yours is wrong?

 

[undomiel]

You're right. The only kind of overexposure I've seen was the backlight in X2. And how come the CGI pants stayed on at the end of X3?

I've a feeling it is destined to become one of the world's great mysteries.

 

[x-fan]

its sad really, why hate wolverine ...because he is an uber popular character??? shouldnt we be hating on the people you are responsible for placing him over everyone else instead, dont hate the player hate the game, in this case the movie makers/ writers/ studio