Loganbabe said:
And that´s exactly what he´s talking about. Teamwork. But still, he was THE Magic Johnson. The one player people recognized, the face of the team. I, for instance, don´t know a thing about American basketball. I don´t know the players, if they´re good or bad - and I don´t care. But I know Magic Johnson. Why is he famous? I suppose that´s because he is (or was) good, isn´t it?
Your reasoning is flawed. To you Magic Johnson may have been the most recognized and famous players, but Kareem, Michael Cooper, and A.C. Green were not slouches in the fame department. Magic Johnson may have had the winning smile and what you consider to be
*IT*, but so did the rest. However, despite fan's demands for more Magic, Johnson was neither the team captain (Kareem was), nor did he play in the most starring or best pasition (he was Guard). The fact that you recognize him does not mean he was made to be the hero or displaced someone else to be the hero. The point being that fangirls might have screamed how much they love him or how much they want to see more of him and get more exposure, but that did not mean that he was made Captain, a Forward or Center, nor does it mean that he was given the most court time, or that everyone kept passing him the ball so that he could be the one making the shot. And none of this resulted in the managers trying to use him to displace anyone else. He was where he could do the most good for the team and there was always a
balance. Nor did he get top billing. Kareem was the team captain and always mentioned first.
The same does not apply to X3, where Wolverine's character was unfairly thrown into the spotlight in the movie, made to do things that were completely out of character for Wolverine and unfair to the rest of the characters. Despite what you may say or think, Wolverine is not a leadoer, a family man, or a team player. Wolverines are not "wolferines". Wolverines are solitary, not pack animals. He may tag along with the team and help out, but when the mission is over he usually moves on his own, like he did in X1. His strategies are supposed to revolve around him with him risking his life in a haphazard way to save the day. The things he did in X3, such as leading the team and giving those inspirational speeches are clearly parts meant to be played by Cyclops. In addition, after Cyclops Storm is next in line to be team leader, and when it comes to strategies and tactics, Storm is supposed to be next qualified after Cyclops. Instead, Wolverine shoves her aside to do both. Storm is shown to be neither a leader or a tactician. She's mostly there in a supporting role to provide the team with cloud cover and fog. And the team effort obviously collapses when it comes to Jean. Logan brashly tells her that only HE can save her and that basically the rest should'nt interfere. To even hint that the rest of the team would not care or even try to reach out to someone they have known and been close to as family for years and years is again also wrong. If this is how X3 interprets the X-men story or franchise, then it is not an excuse to say that it is simply a new interpretation. On the contrary, this is a wrong interpretation, because this is not how it is done in every other portrayal, every other comical universe or timeline, and in both the Animated Series and Evolution. If you deny any of these things then you are only fooling yourself.
Because he was is a good character, interesting, original.
So is Cyclops. Again, your opinion. What you consider interesting and original about Wolverine, I can do the same with Cyclops. So we're on an equal footing.
Better than the others? No, but he had something that connected him to the fans. It wasn´t Marvel that made him so famous, the fans did it.
See above for my sports analogy. Shoving a player into the spotlight because of fame does not work for the team or winning the game, and it clearly does not work here especially when that involves displacing others.
never a chance that Cyke would be the main character in X3.
Again, information including clippings from interviews with Singer have been posted to indicate otherwise. Read the other threads and you'll be able to see that.
We can all agree that he was given a raw deal, but it´s unrealistic to expect his role would be bigger than Wolverine´s, Phoenix saga or not.
No, it's not unrealistic. It's part of the storyline that is the Phoenix Saga., which is a story of love, sacrifice, and redemption between Scott and Jean. Not a tragic love story between Logan and Jean. This is how it always has been portrayed, and because it was not portrayed this way in X3 is exactly why X3 is wrong and fails to properly portray the franchise known as the X-men. You may enjoy your romantic tales of Logan and Jean, sigh dreamily at night thinking about their wedding and having children. That is fine. But don't try to call that vision the X-men. Because it is not. That may be your vision and the vision of other Wolverine fans, but it is not the X-men.
To sum it up, the Phoenix saga revolves around Scott and Jean, with Logan at best a supporting character. Therefore, a larger role for Cyclops is not only expected, but obvious.
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