Why the hate for Wolverine?

[x-fan]

ohh and marvel for it in the comics, which they are atoning for now by pulling him out of several books thank goodness, i couldnt afford them all

make sure you read 475 also this will make more sense just incase you didnt read up

 

[danoyse]

You're right. The only kind of overexposure I've seen was the backlight in X2. And how come the CGI pants stayed on at the end of X3?

That was truly when the Wolverine fans were screwed.

 

[My Red Sight]

In the X2 second disk, he was being intereviewd, and the person asked him if he's following any of the comics. And Hugh said that he read a "fantastic" series called the origin, which is about Wolverine. And than he said "yeah, it's all about me, me, me." or something like that.

And I thought "YUP!"

 

[x-fan]

In the X2 second disk, he was being intereviewd, and the person asked him if he's following any of the comics. And Hugh said that he read a "fantastic" series called the origin, which is about Wolverine. And than he said "yeah, it's all about me, me, me." or something like that.

And I thought "YUP!"

i need to see that cause i dont recall him ever saying anything like that, he isnt the selfish sort by any account i have heard

 

[narrows101]

i need to see that cause i dont recall him ever saying anything like that, he isnt the selfish sort by any account i have heard

Hugh would never say anything like that - if anything, he is a total team player and usually gives credit to his co-stars. As an example, when he was on Broadway and critics gave him rave reviews but not the play, he said something like he didn't understand why he would get all the accolades because the play was a team effort and if it wasn't for everyone working together to put out the best possible product there would be no show. He is NOT a "me me me" type of guy - totally the opposite.

 

[My Red Sight]

i need to see that cause i dont recall him ever saying anything like that, he isnt the selfish sort by any account i have heard

He was only kidding, I just thought it was funny because the X-movies are kind of like that. It was in the X2 Global Webcast Highlights.

 

[Celestial]

^ It was in the live webcast.

It's also available online. Start realplayer, then File>Open and paste in the following:
rtsp://media.real.com/showcase/xmen2globalchat/hugh_jackman.smil
There's also clips of other cast members if you can spell their names.

Aahhh! The days leading up to the release of X2, when everyone was happy and excited and people still loved Wolverine.

 

[The Batman]

Sad defense of a character? God get a grip. So you are saying that since people are fawning over a character who isn't Cyclops, their like of the character is invalid? Who died and made you king?

Once more, it is not just the actor, it is the actor making a connection as the character that makes the difference. Yup, little girlies go gaga over Orlando Bloom, but that doesn't mean that Legolas made that strong of an impact as a character. Can you understand what I am saying, or do I have to repeat it ad nauseum? It is Jackman as Wolverine that made the impact with the audience. Not Jackman alone.

And it was Harrison Fords Han Solo that made an impact as well. Or do I have to spell it out for you?

At the end of the day, it was still Luke who saved the day. Not Han. Period.

No,what I'm saying is, you wouldnt see me in a "Why the hate for Cyclops" thread saying stuff like "People are just jealous" or "Hugh Jackman didnt have 'it' and James Marsden did", and all this weak garbage I've been reading sofar. No ones stopping you from liking wolverine.

 

[My Red Sight]

I think Cyclops clicked with the audience. A couple of my favorite moments in X1 were: I at the train station when the little kid looks at Scott and laughs and: the way Cyclops responds when wolverine called him a dick.

I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same way as I do.

 

[The Batman]

Nope! Dont you see?!?!?!?!?! Jackman had "IT". And Marsden did not! It couldnt be because Fox was intent on making Wolverine the star from the beginning, even calling their early scripts "Wolverine and the X-Men"!

 

[The Batman]

Nope! Dont you see?!?!?!?!?! Jackman had "IT". And Marsden did not! It couldnt be because Fox was intent on making Wolverine the star from the beginning, even calling their early scripts "Wolverine and the X-Men"!

 

[ntcrawler]

Orlando Bloom is loved by girls all over the world....and you dont see legolas being the one who destroys the ring....you dont see him take aragons role and bangin liv tyler.

Same with Harrison Ford. His Han Solo is loved by many....and in the end, hes not the one who fights the emperor and darth vader. luke is.

I absolutely agree with this! And I think I understand the reasons why things were like this and no longer are. Both Star Wars and LOTR had creative control in the hands of the director and his writers. The studio's execs did not interfere in either case. The way movies have been made has changed since that point with the studio figuring out who the most popular or potentially profitable characters are and blatantly shove them into the forefront, even if it messes up the consistency and logic of the plot.
In addition, Han Solo and Luke if anything are on equal terms as far as screen time and spotlight. They both fulfill critical roles in the story and complement each other instead of tryingto displace the other. Same deal with Legolas, Aragorn, Gimlee, Frodo, and Ganfalf. And this balance stays consistent in the films.

So please, stop with this "The audience likes him more, so he must be the most important guy!" because history shows that, even while some characters are loved more than others, they dont end up saving the day.

It seems that this movie-making philosophy has been changed with the blockbuster films, which are being tuned more for the "gee-whiz" factor and profit potential at the cost of compromising the story.

 

[My Red Sight]

Maybe "it" is only a matter of oppinion and has nothing to do with connecting with the audience.

 

[ntcrawler]

Last time I saw X2, I had forgotten Cyclops was in it.

Don't you think that's a little unfair?

Has it come to this now? Finding conspiracy in promotional articles about the X-Men DVD?

No, people are just pointing out errors and inconsistencies. FOX keeps changing their minds at the amount of deleted scenes for example. All sorts of numbers were tossed out, anywhere from 10 to 21, not to mention inconsistent information on alternate endings.

Is sales material now flying in the face of comic book lore? Why is no one complaining that Kelsey Grammer was the only other cast member mentioned in that description?

huh?

 

[ntcrawler]

I need to interject here

That was because all 3 LOTR movies were filmed at the same time--aside from pickups. There was no re-signing Orlando to a sequel to get a bigger part in LOTR due to fan appeal.

Not entirely correct. The cast was called back for each movie to refilm scenes or make changes as Jackson saw fit. If he wanted to change the outcome of certain scenes or change the scenes or give chars different or more exposure, he could have. If he wanted to bring more attention to Legolas or Aragorn or make Gimlee toss the ring, he could have. But he didn't.

But it did happen with POTC

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POTC is not an established franchise with as well known of a story base os LOTR, Star Wars, Spiderman, Batman, or X-Men. It does not have either the history or fanbase that these other franchises have.

And again, Luke was set as the hero to face Vader from the first movie.

Not entirely correct. Lucas did not write all three movies intending for them to be a trilogy. In fact, he didn't expect to make more than one film when he filmed ANH. when making sequels he could have completely changed the focus of the film or the roles of the characters and made Han the big hero who slays Vader and the Emperor, but kept the balance he originally established. The characters, their roles, and their place in the storyline all stayed consistent.

After the wild success of Empire Strikes back, Lucas could have realized that Han Solo was the most popular and loved character and potential cash cow and could have rewritten ROTJ to be all about him (of course the title would then be different). He could have had Luke die in the battle with Jabba the Hutt while Rescuing Han, who would then fight a duel with Vader, pitting the Falcon against his tie-fighter, blast him out of the sky (he was justified after the way Vader tormented him in the previous film) and then blast Palpatine's tower and been the big hero, but that didn't happen. Han overshadowed Luke, Han had "it" while Luke did not, yet Luke's role wasn't compromised.

Also on that note, who ended up with the better career after Star Wars?

Harrison Ford was already a bigger actor than Mark Hamil and during the course of making Star Wars' original trilogy already had other big roles which propelled him forward, including Raiders of the Lost Ark.

 

[undomiel]

Oh, please. This has been said a thousand times already, but is not Wolverine the most popular of all the X-men anyway? Why is it so hard to believe he would be made into the main character for the films? He seems like the most logical choice.

And leave Jan alone. If she believed Marsden didn't have what it takes, that's her opinion.

Oh, and one more thing. Technically, it was Anakin who saved the day, not Luke. Luke himself was not able to get rid of the Emperor. It took that dark, tragic figure known as Anakin Skywalker to do that.

 

[The Batman]

Yup......they continue not to get it...

 

[undomiel]

What are you saying?

 

[The Batman]

I'm saying that you dont get and will continue not to get it. Thats what I'm saying

 

[undomiel]

Get what? I haven't been able to read all the posts, so you're going to have to bring me up to speed. What's your point?

 

[Hulkster]

He's where he is now because of how well he played Wolverine, not just because he played Wolverine.

Don't be blinded by your desires for Hugh Jackman, he will not be as famous as he is now if he didn't play the Wolverine character.

 

[x-fan]

Don't be blinded by your desires for Hugh Jackman, he will not be as famous as he is now if he didn't play the Wolverine character.

i dont think anyone is doubting that the part gave him his start and that is why he loves the character, but he is a good if not great actor. read the reviews for any movie he has been in, read what is said about his performances. i have never seen a bad review of his acting...he has however been in some bad movies, but he performed well.

 

[Hulkster]

That was I was trying to tell to danoyse, that the Wolverine character boosted Hugh's career. But he doesn't want to believe it.

 

[Jan Irisi]

That was I was trying to tell to danoyse, that the Wolverine character boosted Hugh's career. But he doesn't want to believe it.

Frankly, I think he'd be much happier on stage. He was doing quite well on stage, and he has returned to the stage this summer, when he could be off making more movies. He took a year off to do Broadway instead of making movies. So....yeah. It was fortunate, but he wasn't exactly hurting either.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Oh, please. This has been said a thousand times already, but is not Wolverine the most popular of all the X-men anyway? Why is it so hard to believe he would be made into the main character for the films? He seems like the most logical choice.

And leave Jan alone. If she believed Marsden didn't have what it takes, that's her opinion.

Oh, and one more thing. Technically, it was Anakin who saved the day, not Luke. Luke himself was not able to get rid of the Emperor. It took that dark, tragic figure known as Anakin Skywalker to do that.

It makes business sense to use something that works.

And thank you for getting what I was trying to say. Instead of attacking me for being an apologist, or a fanboy, or what have you. That gets old, but it's funny as hell.