Will Hulk be leaping and running fast in the movie?

[Ahura Mazda]

There you go from the Hulk feats page.

 

[thegameq]

no mater how "fantastical" a story is... when on film your supose to make it BELIEVABLE... like you could actually picture yourself there..

like Spider-man, Superman, Pirates, Star Wars, Star Trek........very believable...it's fantasy, yes there's a degree of versimultude as in the Marvel Way, but let's not get carried away with the whole BELIEVABLE thing. Your supoposed to suspend belief with these films, though not entirely check one's brain at the door, *cough* Bay film *cough*.

 

[WalterKovacs]

leaping im fine with, just not flying.

 

[Weadazoid]

Mcfarlang had the gray Hulk Leaping all over the place IMO..he lept miles



Hulk has always been a jumper

 

[spideyboy_1111]

like Spider-man, Superman, Pirates, Star Wars, Star Trek........very believable...it's fantasy, yes there's a degree of versimultude as in the Marvel Way, but let's not get carried away with the whole BELIEVABLE thing. Your supoposed to suspend belief with these films, though not entirely check one's brain at the door, *cough* Bay film *cough*.

all those movie make me feel like i could be in that world though, thats the point

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I guess spideyboy would perhaps want more of a pause inbetween landing, recovering and then jumping again.

This is respectable as long as with each landing there is a considerable amount of ground damage.

that and he fell as fast as he was jumping... thats impossible with the laws of phyisics, unless hes hitting an invisible shield hellicarrier lol... (fyi im just talking about his cliff jumping right before his big "flying" jump

 

[Sentinel X]

NO WAY should they get rid of the running...that was just awesome!!! A lot of people who saw the film liked that bit...the jumping though, they thought was a little too over the top...so I say keep the jumping but dont make it too high like in the first

 

[carrrnuttt]

... and looks kinda like he's flying

Like this?

C'mon people.

You want "reality"? The reason fleas can jump the scale equivalent of a human jumping over a 480ft tall building, is because its leg's strength is so much greater than the actual weight of its body.

If the Hulk's legs can literally support a mountain, what do you think happens when he releases all that strength and energy in a jumping movement, supporting only a microfraction of the mountain's weight (his own body weight)?

Even then, the basic fact is, we are portraying a comic book character, and this is said character's many staples. IF you are really a Hulk/comic book fan, why the hell are you so worried about what the "mainstream" thinks? Don't you think if they play it well enough, that the fact that the Hulk jumps great distances will THEN become "mainstream" itself, sort of like Superman's flying?

It's your job as an actual fan to actually educate the up and coming fans - not cater to "what they would think".

 

[Spade]

People will salivate over the leaping if it's done well enough in this film anyways. Like I said- if this is good, you won't care. You might even find yourself liking it. It's useless to cut out a canon ability because it might look silly as the power of a 7-foot green beast who is known for logic-defying strength.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I think the TV show has a lot to do with the average person's reaction to the jumping.

 

[Doc Samson]

I think the TV show has a lot to do with the average person's reaction to the jumping.

The TV show has a lot to do with the average person's reaction to EVERYTHING, which is the extremely frustrating part of any Hulk movie that will ever be made. The film will have to really be great to get the general public to accept the character for what it really is, similar to what Batman has to go through everytime someone decides to add a "POW" to the screen or a pair of rubber nipples to the suit...

 

[Spade]

I agree. I love the TV show and all, but the fact that the show couldn't do all of the crazy effects of the comics doesn't mean that this film shouldn't.

 

[HulkStomps!]

Like this?

C'mon people.

You want "reality"? The reason fleas can jump the scale equivalent of a human jumping over a 480ft tall building, is because its leg's strength is so much greater than the actual weight of its body.

If the Hulk's legs can literally support a mountain, what do you think happens when he releases all that strength and energy in a jumping movement, supporting only a microfraction of the mountain's weight (his own body weight)?

Even then, the basic fact is, we are portraying a comic book character, and this is said character's many staples. IF you are really a Hulk/comic book fan, why the hell are you so worried about what the "mainstream" thinks? Don't you think if they play it well enough, that the fact that the Hulk jumps great distances will THEN become "mainstream" itself, sort of like Superman's flying?

It's your job as an actual fan to actually educate the up and coming fans - not cater to "what they would think".

Thats Right!!!

 

[Comicfan]

HI GUYS, YOU KNOW THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT THE FIRST ONE WAS THE ORIGIN AND THAT THEY LEFT OUT RICK JONES, I MEAN HOW HARD WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TO NAME HARPER, RICK, JUST TO INTRODUCE HIM TO THE MOVIEVERSE!!! DON'T GET ME WRONG, I LOVED THE FIRST ONE, I JUST REALLY WISH RICK WAS PART OF THE STORY!!! OH AND BY THE WAY THE LEAPAGE AND THE RUNAGE IN THE FIRST ONE WAS DA BOMB!!!up:

That guy was named Harper????.... ...For some reason I tought he was Rick... and I have seen the movie several times...

 

[Advanced Dark]

Like this?

C'mon people.

You want "reality"? The reason fleas can jump the scale equivalent of a human jumping over a 480ft tall building, is because its leg's strength is so much greater than the actual weight of its body.

If the Hulk's legs can literally support a mountain, what do you think happens when he releases all that strength and energy in a jumping movement, supporting only a microfraction of the mountain's weight (his own body weight)?

True except when he jumps by releasing that much force he should leave a huge crater in the ground just from jumping. If you were standing still and had enough power to jump up a mile...the ground would not just remain the same.

 

[HulkStomps!]

True except when he jumps by releasing that much force he should leave a huge crater in the ground just from jumping. If you were standing still and had enough power to jump up a mile...the ground would not just remain the same.

Yes, your right and that would show a great expulsion of Hulk's power, and look pretty Bada$$!!!

 

[dark_b]

True except when he jumps by releasing that much force he should leave a huge crater in the ground just from jumping. If you were standing still and had enough power to jump up a mile...the ground would not just remain the same.

i agree that was a problem.

 

[roadrage]

So, let me get this straight: Running at speeds of 170 mph to 300 mph looks ridiculous, but jumping distances that defy all known physics somehow doesn't? The more I read this forum, the more amazed I am. Leaping may be "Hulk," but it was entirely UNrealistic in the first film, if you ask me. I mean, here they are making a serious film and then they have Hulk do something that - even with all of his strength considered - would never be possible without legs that rival those of a grasshopper or something else of comparable elasticity. Hulk's legs have no such characteristics and it completely took away from the movie's believability. At least with Spider-Man, the things that his webs can do have some sense of credibility about them. A green monster bounding all over the globe has no credibility whatsoever. So, if you want another Hulk that fails in the box office, just keep having him leap from plateau to plateau... just like you want it. And then blame the writer or whomever else would be responsible for the movie's failure to live up to your expectations.

i think that kind of leaping ability is possible when you think about how his legs supported a 150 billion ton mountain.

by the way, rarely does anything that a super-powered hero does believable. IMO, hulk's leaping didn't cause the first movie to flop. ang lee is responsible for that fiasco. the comic book panels, the hulk's pretty boy looks and his feminine roar were for more detrimental than leaping great distances.

 

[HULKFish]

i think that kind of leaping ability is possible when you think about how his legs supported a 150 billion ton mountain.

by the way, rarely does anything that a super-powered hero does believable. IMO, hulk's leaping didn't cause the first movie to flop. ang lee is responsible for that fiasco. the comic book panels, the hulk's pretty boy looks and his feminine roar were for more detrimental than leaping great distances.

Yep... Agreed. HULK's leaping should be destructive in itself, crater up crater down.

The jumping problem in the first movie too was the whole bouncing into it with little effort. Everytime he lands there should be a DEEP squat and a thunderous BOOM!!! Once he's in the air though he should pretty much glide like the first film. Even too the extent that they should drop a 1200 pound piece of metal from like 1000 feet to get an idea of the feel of what would actually happen. There are different levels of jumping too, you can soft jump up onto something or even down onto something but if he's doing a foot stomp while landing it's going to level some STUFF!!!

 

[Figs]

i think that kind of leaping ability is possible when you think about how his legs supported a 150 billion ton mountain.

by the way, rarely does anything that a super-powered hero does believable. IMO, hulk's leaping didn't cause the first movie to flop. ang lee is responsible for that fiasco. the comic book panels, the hulk's pretty boy looks and his feminine roar were for more detrimental than leaping great distances.

Are you referring to Secret Wars?

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

You all are finally starting to get it. Hulk's jumping simply has to look real... that's all I'm saying. I'm NOT saying that it ruined the first movie or that everything about the Hulk has to be believable. It just helps when it corresponds with the laws of physics. Hulk springing off the ground like a flea and landing with no obvious impact corresponds with NOTHING, just the wild imagination of fans who don't know or care about physics.

 

[carrrnuttt]

True except when he jumps by releasing that much force he should leave a huge crater in the ground just from jumping. If you were standing still and had enough power to jump up a mile...the ground would not just remain the same.

Actually, not quite, although you are correctly implying Newton's Third Law:

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

I know what you're thinking: "Since the Hulk is exerting 100 tons (or some other huge random number/force measurement) of force to propel himself that high/far, then the ground should feel that force."

Think of it this way. When a vehicle like the Bagger 288 exerts force to move, it's actually exerting a LOT more than its rated weight of 13,500 tons, or otherwise it won't move at all.

Check this pic: click. (Warning: high-res at 5075 X 1490 pixels)

Notice that the loose ground underneath it is not ripped up by all that force. This is because the only thing resisting on the other side of the equation is - AIR. If you park the Bagger in front of a mountain, and try to move it against that mountain, then you will see the effect of the tens of thousands of tons against the ground, as long as the tracks underneath hold, and you will see the ground underneath ripped to shreads.

When the Hulk jumps, only air is resisting his going up/forward. The only forces the ground should actually feel is his estimated 1,200 to 1,500lb weight, and whatever little air resistance there is as his body coils up. This is assuming his feet are already in contact with the ground. I agree with others, in that the bunny-hop thing with no effect on the ground is altering the laws of Physics, because that "hop" will cause the force being exerted to the ground to be not only his weight, but will also include the force of his leg coming down, like a jackhammer.

Speaking of jackhammers, notice that they would be useless if you are somehow able to hold them in a way where the top half is moving up and down, while the cutting tip stays in contact with the ground.

As far as with coming down from such a tall jump, there is such a thing as Terminal Velocity (Vt), where the resistance of the air equals that of the mass that's falling.

A normal freefalling human's Vt has been estimated at about 155mph. Although the Hulk will have more air resistance, being a lot bigger than a normal human, we all know his weight, hence his downward force, is much higher than a normal human's. So let's just assume that the Hulk's Vt will be about 200mph. This is not taking into consideration tucking in your arms and legs, which can allow a skydiver to reach said 200mph. We'll also assume that the Hulk will be flailing his arms and legs, which actually add to the air resistance.

So, in this scenario, we can picture an F1 car, that weighs about 1400 lbs, crashing at around 200 mph. The biggest difference is, the F1 car is designed to absorb some of that impact. But so can the Hulk, though not as much, by bending his legs.

I would say that there will be a crater upon impact, but not much larger than what the 2,500+ lb ball of rubber made, when it was dropped from a plane. I'm at work, and can't go to video sites, but you can watch this episode online by searching YouTube. Here's the episode: http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/shows/ripleys/database/ep_411.html.

Remember that a sphere experiences much less drag than a human shape, so that ball will likely to have been travelling faster than the Hulk would be.

 

[carrrnuttt]

You all are finally starting to get it. Hulk's jumping simply has to look real... that's all I'm saying. I'm NOT saying that it ruined the first movie or that everything about the Hulk has to be believable. It just helps when it corresponds with the laws of physics. Hulk springing off the ground like a flea and landing with no obvious impact corresponds with NOTHING, just the wild imagination of fans who don't know or care about physics.

I started my last post well before yours, and was just slowly completing it in between working, thus not seeing your post before I posted mine.

I would like you to put your Physics in writing too, Mr. "Reality", not to mention you are looking for real world Physics in a fantastical tale.

Hey, how about you explain Superman's "Physics" aye? How about why Spiderman doesn't break all those glass windows he's jumped from. I mean, he can exert tons of force himself too, can't he?

I gave you details: I require as much from you, for me to take you even remotely seriously.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Okay, you win. I can't give you the details you're looking for, because I would be fumbling over myself trying to find them and then articulate them in a way that makes any sense. That said, I can appreciate your cerebral response on the issue, including the links to the outside sources. You and my brother, who works in Goodyear's research division designing tires, would get along real well. I'm actually thinking about copying your second-to-last post and sending it to him for his amusement (that we're having this discussion) and/or a response, in case he would have anything to add.

So admittedly, no, I don't know the actual physics as you do... but I'm still approaching this from a "what looks right" standpoint and, to me, the instances when Hulk jumps in the first movie just look wrong.

You challenged me, so now's my turn: Have you watched the movie? In your expert opinion, do the physics all add up? Considering Hulk's "estimated 1,200 to 1,500lb weight" and any of the air resistance that you allude to, can you tell all of us with a straight face that his jumps and the landings, therein, align perfectly with the physics that would be behind them? I was watching the movie again last night and paid particular attention to the jumps. While the movie does provide some "thuds" and crash landings, they seem minor compared to what should be there. Hulk also gets a running start on several leaps - a triple jump, more or less - and these leaps, to me, seemed the most believable of any. But the majority of the jumps, while he's trekking across the desert, are single bounds and it looks ridiculous.

Let's put this way: If a flea "can jump the scale equivalent of a human jumping over a 480ft tall building" because its legs are sufficiently stronger than the weight of its body, are you suggesting a.) that Hulk's physical makeup more closely resembles that of a flea than anything else and b.) that Hulk jumping like a flea in the movie is something we should actually want? Are there other examples in nature that maybe Hulk would be better taking on the form of? A kangaroo? A grasshopper?

You have all the answers, chief. Let loose.

 

[DarthAlani]

I tell u right now its a comic movie u are supposed to see things u don't see everyday. I hope Hulk is extremly powerful in the film. I want him swating tanks away with casual backhands.