Will the Batman reboot be as accepted as Nolan's?

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  1. Squaremaster316 Registered

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    Or will some fans inevitably reject the very idea of a new film, especially if it's rushed into development?
     
  2. Anno_Domini Registered

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    Batman Begins came off a disaster called Batman & Robin so it was obvious if a lot of people accepted a new reboot, even if it didn't quite show in the box office. It's hard to tell, though, that another reboot will be as accepted because of the love that fans have of the Dark Knight Trilogy. It could be a TAS-M thing where the fans of the past series may not be so thrilled, but if the reboot shows its worth and is a crowning achievement then the reboot will be loved no mater what.
     
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    Some anti-Nolan fans will say the reboot's first teaser trailer will be better than Nolan's trilogy.While I love Nolan's take I'm looking forward to whatever is to come. I'm sure it will be a generous blend of the most popular and successful interpretations of Batman over the past few decades such as Nolan's,B:TAS and Arkham City.
     
  4. kewlmatto Registered

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    Fans aren't the primary target audience of the studios.

    I think in general it will be tough gig for any new Batman film to get the level of excitement this trilogy managed (let alone gross as much). But the character will always be popular and successful.

    I think there will be an inevitable backlash from fans and some of the general public (Begins took a while to gain traction because people had Bat-fatigue at the time). Look at how some have decried Amazing Spider-Man, a perfectly good film.

    But ultimately it won't matter. If WB is smart and sticks to their guns with a respectable reboot and a talented director, the rewards will come - perhaps not with the first film, but with the second and third.

    I'm of the disposition that a new Batman movie is a good thing no matter what (yes, even if it ends up being fairly ordinary) - I often can't understand why more fans aren't like this too and would rather attack a new film about a character they love.
     
  5. Anno_Domini Registered

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    If anything, though, the reboot could at least make much more than Batman Begins.
     
  6. Brother Jack The Third Revelation

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    Depends on how good it is to be honest. But it does have a lot to live up to. Hopefully it will be judged based on its own merits and not on the Nolan trilogy's.
     
  7. Homer J. Fong Not a golem

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    If it doesn't come too soon, and, more importantly, if it's good, then yes, the next reboot will be accepted. Before anything, Nolan's take was greeted with great positivity because it was taking the character/mythos seriously and deconstructing it in a way that zeroed in on exactly what it was about. If the next version does that, but in a fresh way, and with a good distance from the just-concluded Nolan trilogy, then it'll be fine.
     
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    If it is good as Burton/Nolan films then yes. We have to wait and see.
     
  9. Cassandra Cain YAS KWEEN!

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    Hopefully it will be quite a while before the next reboot is even considered. I personally love Nolan's take on Batman's origins. Batman Begins was a nearly perfect story demonstrating how Bruce Wayne became Batman, and realistically for that matter. At this time I can't imagine a better origin story, and it may be better if the next director strays away from another origin story and takes the Burton approach: where Bruce Wayne is already in the midst of his career as Batman.

    Right now it looks like Warner Brothers is concentrating their focus on a Justice League movie so who knows what this means for a future Batman reboot. Perhaps WB will base their newest Batman on this Justice League movie and follow up from there.
     
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    I hope we see a few 'one-shot' films before WB start a new Batman series. Reboots are becoming a little tedious. Knock out a few solid single films (including Justice League) then a few years down the track start a new Batman series, one which skips the origin.

    I'd rather see good movies than an interconnected 'movieverse' which could topple the second another Green Lantern hits. Sadly it seems WB just want to copy Marvel.

    I'd love a smaller budget pulpy Gotham Noir as well as Batman Beyond. These would be great single movies without the necessity of sequels and franchise fatigue.
     
  11. mjbull23 Beyond Good and Evil

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    I think you hit upon it. As long as a reboot or even a one off doesn't come too soon, then the fans will react positively. I would give it at least 4-5 years.
     
  12. Nave 'Torment' Vigilante Detective

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    A reboot shouldn't even be considered at this point. Wait a few years, get people to actually miss a live-action Batman, then make something out of it. I say sometime next decade. Not now.

    You already have a trilogy that's commercially and critically revered. You don't reboot that, you respect it and try to get your money from somewhere else. There are so many untapped properties in DC's library that another Batman movie right now will be just shameless milking.

    Also, the Dark Knight trilogy, unlike most "rebooted" franchises, was stellar. It doesn't need a start-over to be better, it already was the definitive Batman trilogy on a live-action screen and people loved it. Hell, it WAS the reboot trilogy. Why is that such a hard idea to accept!?

    I think ol' Joe-Levitt said it best in an interview: Batman will always be fashionable. So make a movie of it when the trend changes. It already has this time around. Imagine the next Batman movie being just as big a landmark on the genre as The Dark Knight was, but for that impact to come again you'd need to give it a good number of years. It's why I'm opposed to a JLA movie right away -- it's just in poor taste.
     
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  14. Homer J. Fong Not a golem

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    It's far too early to even betalking about the reboot...but this is what we do. We speculate about what could come next, we discuss what we want next, what we haven't seen yet, on and on, to the point of ridiculousness. I wouldn't want to see the next Batman movie series for several more years, for many reasons, not least of which is respect for the Nolan trilogy that just ended. It will happen, though, probably before it should going by recent trend, but it probably won't be the "oh crap, do-over!" kind of reboot, but rather the, "Let's do something different with this property" kind of reboot. I would hope, anyway. Regardless, it shouldn't happen for some time. That's why I don't see Fassbender or many of the other actors - most of whom are damn good and would be good in the role - for Batman. If there's a Justice League movie in 2015. I'd actually rather not see Batman in at least the first JL movie, because I think that's too soon to see the next iteration of him on the big screen.
     
  15. Travesty Registered

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    If you're a fan of Batman, you should be excited about a new Batman movie: bottom line. Who cares if TDKR just came out. You weren't getting a new one from Nolan anyways, so might as well get excited about more Batman on film. Why not?
     
  16. DaRkVeNgeanCe An Epic Film Guy

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    As long as it has a great cast and creative team behind it im psyched for it, but a strong director is necessary.
     
  17. kewlmatto Registered

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    Yes.

    As a Batman fan I welcome any new Batman movie. And, really, so should all fans. I don't really understand 'camps' of Nolan vs. Burton etc - you don't have to hate the other one to have a favourite.

    The same goes for any future movies. They will be compared to Nolan's, of course. But to hate it just because it is a new series is foolish. I can't believe how much of the hate Amazing Spider-Man got online. It's a great movie. The Raimi trilogy was (mostly) great. It's win-win.

    The only thing WB has to be cautious of is the 'fatigue' that can set in in the mainstream audience. They have to do something different this time - like introduce Batman in JL or do a standalone 'elseworlds' or 'one-shot' film like Batman Beyond to have that fresh feeling for the general public. After that, start a new series.
     
  18. Bruce Malone Registered

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    If you're a batman fan you should care more about quality than quantity. One of the things that made the nolan series so good was the time he took between films to make sure nothing was being rushed.

    Not to mention that period between films that made you appreciate the films even more in anticipation of the next.

    Other studios would have likely forced him to fastrack the sequels.

    I want to see WB take their time with the next batman incarnation and not just try to strike while the iron is hot. The batman reboot will come when the time is right not just to satisfy people's demand to see anything batman because he's so hot from the nolan series. That's how the schumacher situation came about with the studio just slopping down batman to satisfy the public.

    I'll add for the next series to be as "accepted" as nolan's it needs time i can't stress that enough and frankly it's been proven that even 5 years is too little time to establish an independent identity. Look at how TASM is still struggling to get out of the raimi shadow. TIH was the worst case scenario of that as well.
     
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  19. Brother Jack The Third Revelation

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    Except if you're not a fan of the people involved. I wouldn't be excited for a Brett Ratner Batman movie, for example.
     
  20. Travesty Registered

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    Your comparison don't really apply, unless the next series starts off with Batman running off to train with Ra's in the first movie. People didn't want to see another origin for TASM. It's totally different.
     
  21. Homer J. Fong Not a golem

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    It's not just about it being another origin story. It is also that it was a brand new series only five years after the last one went out with a whimper, being asked to invest in a new Peter Parker when we hadn't been away from the last one all that long. The fact that it was a new origin story made it more frustrating, but there was a feeling of "too soon" in some people beyond that aspect.
     
  22. Bruce Malone Registered

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    ^^^

    My point exactly. Same with TIH it was wasn't even an origin story and people still felt it was too soon as well.

    If WB is smart they won't rush this one. The Dark Knight series for lack of a better comparison perhaps is pretty much the star wars trilogy of comic book films. It has had that big an impact. It will be hard to follow up this without some space.

    WB should focus on the MOS series and maybe JL if that gets off the ground then when a good story presents itself come back to batman.
     
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    I'm just not buying your explanations. Sure, "some people" like you said, but not all, or even the majority for that matter. Hell, even user ratings like on Rotten have rated it the same as SM2. The GA liked it enough, so I don't know why you keep playing it up like it bombed or something. Sure, you may not have liked it or appreciated it, but the GA sure did.

    Either way, just get ready, cause it's going to happen, and if you're a Bat-fan, you should be excited. It's a bit strange that you're not.
     
  24. Homer J. Fong Not a golem

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    I didn't make it out be a flop or say the "general audience" hated the movie, I said that there were reservations beyond just that it was an origin story, a feeling that it might be too soon.

    (For the record, although I did think it was too soon to rehash the origin story, I liked the movie, although not nearly as much as either of Raimi's first two.)
     
  25. Squaremaster316 Registered

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    A Batman fan shouldn't be excited just because a new Batman film comes out sooner than later. They should allow the current franchise some breathing room and allow the future incarnations to come at a significantly later date rather than trying to process and squeeze it out. It just seems disrespectful to the previous filmmaker's work.

    Should Ninja Turtles fans be 'happy' and 'thankful' that Bay's giving them a new live action Turtles film?
     

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