Will we see a Venom that sucks?

[Reikowolf]

For someone like the Sandman, who can do anything, and if they decide to have the suit have effects (which they might not have it move when on someone), I think that is a little harder then blending a man and a raptor.

lets compare

when the sandman is in human form you have THC playing him.. with stunt men of course.. and a CGI double for effects. then you have the sand-powers. which would requiring a morph effect.. which by all means isn't easy.. but a lot of the original CGI pioneered was based on morphing solid objects into non-solid objects.. think about the first mummy movie.. visually stunning but the effects were surprisingly easy to do based on the fact that the animators could use their imaginations.

The lizard would in essense seem easier but you'd have to consider morphing effects from a human actor to some sort of hybrid.. which even to date hasn't been quite perfected (look at the newest underworld as an example.. but I suppose this is a matter of objectivism so we'll let it go)
now after that matter you'd have to create a model which is unique but also usable in the sense that it would have to move a certain way (the lizard would not move like a normal human)... this may be easy or not depending on the design but what happens afterwards is that your imaginationw itht he character is limited to the bounderies of the model's movements. Think about the CGI spidey in the first movie.. his movements did not match the weight and force to which he moved which a lot of critics, including ebert, commented on. then you'd have to go with texture of skin movement, breathing.. etc.. for both the monster model and the human model.

I'm sure there is more to say about sandman but can you at least see what I'm trying to get across regarding the lizard?

 

[FaT_tONle]

As Reikwolf talks about the CGI... let me add one thing... whoever mentioned they were going to do six movies is a complete dumbass with no vision... I mean how long can you exhaust these characters for the sake of movies... end it with Venom in SM4... end of story... **** the lizard and Kraven and all these other lamos only fanboys want to see... maybe ten years from now make em... but SM4 should be the last with Venom alone...

 

[Reikowolf]

As Reikwolf talks about the CGI... let me add one thing... whoever mentioned they were going to do six movies is a complete dumbass with no vision... I mean how long can you exhaust these characters for the sake of movies... end it with Venom in SM4... end of story... **** the lizard and Kraven and all these other lamos only fanboys want to see... maybe ten years from now make em... but SM4 should be the last with Venom alone...

haha in retrospect I shouldn't have written so much lol

oh but the movies will go on until they stop making money... hollywood logic

 

[FaT_tONle]

Not saying don't make em... but they really have to come full circle with this plots... they probably will with Harry... no one is sold on Venom though... it's possible it might work... but unlikely if Venom comes up and goes down that quickly from middle to end...

 

[AnimeJune]

lets compare

when the sandman is in human form you have THC playing him.. with stunt men of course.. and a CGI double for effects. then you have the sand-powers. which would requiring a morph effect.. which by all means isn't easy.. but a lot of the original CGI pioneered was based on morphing solid objects into non-solid objects.. think about the first mummy movie.. visually stunning but the effects were surprisingly easy to do based on the fact that the animators could use their imaginations.

The lizard would in essense seem easier but you'd have to consider morphing effects from a human actor to some sort of hybrid.. which even to date hasn't been quite perfected (look at the newest underworld as an example.. but I suppose this is a matter of objectivism so we'll let it go)
now after that matter you'd have to create a model which is unique but also usable in the sense that it would have to move a certain way (the lizard would not move like a normal human)... this may be easy or not depending on the design but what happens afterwards is that your imaginationw itht he character is limited to the bounderies of the model's movements. Think about the CGI spidey in the first movie.. his movements did not match the weight and force to which he moved which a lot of critics, including ebert, commented on. then you'd have to go with texture of skin movement, breathing.. etc.. for both the monster model and the human model.

I'm sure there is more to say about sandman but can you at least see what I'm trying to get across regarding the lizard?

Wow - do either of you have experience in CGI animations or animation technology? And if so - in what field?

Or are you just theorizing?

 

[drmick]

It seems to me that most of these Venom threads revert back to pro-Topher and anti-Topher comments. Perhaps there should be a specific Topher thread, and we can just have Venom threads for Venom?

I have a few points/questions I'd like to raise:

1.SIZE part 1
One of the first posts I ever made on SHH, I asked if the symbiote enhances the strength of the owner to stronger than Spidey then from a strength point view a 5yr-old girl could play Venom. Think of Dunst's character in Interview with a Vampire, but with the symbiote........

2.SIZE part 2
Following on from symbiote-enhanced people being threatening, I concur with those who have said that small people can be threatening. I doubt many Americans have seen the film but Ben Kingsley's character in Sexy Beast proves that a good actor can portray psychopathic menace regardless of size.

3.SIZE part 3
One last point on size, I promise. Assuming Brock has to be big, just how big do you go? Ryan Reynolds from Trinity? Bale from Batman Begins? The Rock post-wrestling? The Rock during wrestling career (there is a difference)? 1980s Arnie?


4. VENOM HIMSELF
I posted this in the Venom discussion thread:

Anybody consider that movie Venom won't shoot webs at all?

Licensing/image-wise shooting webs is so pathognomic of Spider-man that the studio execs might not want anybody else to do it.

In the comics (and apologise if I am wrong) only Spidey and Venom shoot webs as we know them. Carnage, Spider-Women etc don't. In fact there are several superheros in the comics, who with a little stretch of imagination could potentially shoot webs, or at the very least web-swing (albeit not on "webs", Daredevil, Batman, Spawn etc).

And Venom only shoots webs because the black-costume predated his existence by several years.

So is it possible no Webs or Swinging for Venom? He could stick to walls ok, and do big jumps like the computer game, but maybe no web-s(l/w)inging. Cos that's a Spidey trademark.

Er, am I making sense?

...but only one person replied before the thread changed topic slightly. Someone else has commented how SM3 Venom looks like it might mirror 616 Scorpion's origin and powers. Is this a bad thing for non-comics fans?


5. COMIC vs MOVIE
Unfortunately across all these boards, a lot of the discussion more or less revolves around those who would prefer comics being translated as faithfully as possible, versus those who prefer the changes.

Examples: Organic Webshooters, Dr Doom, Doc Ock, various costumes, (Gwe)MJ etc etc. When civilised these debates are truly fascinating. The first time. But over time they begin to grate. Especially when most threads eventually evolve into the same old debate (pro or anti-Topher/Raimi/Dunst).

So I have a solution! If a thread does evolve into such a debate, then it gets closed or something, and the posters get directed to a specific COMIC vs MOVIE thread where everybody can argue with ease.

If you only check SHH every other day or so, the X3 forum is too unwieldy. The SM3 one will go that way as we approach May 2007. My worry is that every thread will evolve into said debates with some GG2 and Gwen Stacy discussion as well.

Which side of the MOVIE vs COMIC thread do I fall on? I'd like to think that nobody could guess yet based on my previous posts. However I do feel that more posters probably fall on the Comics side, while most lurkers on the Movie side.