Will we see a Venom that sucks?

[FaT_tONle]

We talked about this man... the ideal scenarios... while evryone wants it... won't happen... let's just hope for the best as we agreed yesterday

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thats fine, but you keep throwing out different scenarios where waiting doesn't work. I am simply countering them.

 

[FaT_tONle]

they should film SM3 & 4 together like POTC....

it would give me hope...

If they had the budget they would've done exactly that... but then you'd be talking 400-450 million... that's just way too much... as long as they nail Venom's appearance... we shouldn't be b:tching nearly as much as we are now

 

[Reikowolf]

I am sorry, but if Spidey faces Venom and the Sandman, from a special effects perspective, the Lizard would look like they downgraded.

I think/hope they will hold off on Venom for SM4.

it's actually the opposite.

special effects wise
the impossible is easy... it's making a human/lizard hybrid would be hard if they were really trying to make it look realistic

man turning into sand.. living suit.. are easier because there's nothing to compare them to.

old school CGI was all about the manipulation of shapes.. probably because the manipulation of geometric formulas is easier than trying to make the same formula create believable skin textures etc.

but I do hope they hold off on Venom
based on the amount of plot in 3

 

[FaT_tONle]

Thats fine, but you keep throwing out different scenarios where waiting doesn't work. I am simply countering them.

I thought i was talking to a different person... look if they signed the cast and producers on I'd have no problems with your idea... but that's the real trick isn't it... you can't just say they will all be back... I am sure you have followed other trilogies to know that this is rarely the case... the only exception that comes to mind is LW4... any others let me know... (and the Stallone movies don't count)

 

[Spider-Fan]

it's actually the opposite.

special effects wise
the impossible is easy... it's making a human/lizard hybrid would be hard if they were really trying to make it look realistic

man turning into sand.. living suit.. are easier because there's nothing to compare them to.

old school CGI was all about the manipulation of shapes.. probably because the manipulation of geometric formulas is easier than trying to make the same formula create believable skin textures etc.

but I do hope they hold off on Venom
based on the amount of plot in 3

Lizard would just be a humanized raptor with a lab coat and pants. Could easily be done.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Lizard would just be a humanized raptor with a lab coat and pants. Could easily be done.

Everything is a piece of cake to you isn't it... you have no idea how hard it is bringing these characters to life... and I can give you 250 million reasons why...

 

[Spider-Fan]

I thought i was talking to a different person... look if they signed the cast and producers on I'd have no problems with your idea... but that's the real trick isn't it... you can't just say they will all be back... I am sure you have followed other trilogies to know that this is rarely the case... the only exception that comes to mind is LW4... any others let me know... (and the Stallone movies don't count)

How many franchises really go 4 films? Since I don't have Rocky, or soon Rambo to work with, the first to come to mind would be the early Bond movies. They did them, before Roger Moore took over way past 4.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Everything is a piece of cake to you isn't it... you have no idea how hard it is bringing these characters to life... and I can give you 250 million reasons why...

My point is the technology, and something similar have been done. With money, and a decent effects company, it can be done.

 

[Reikowolf]

Lizard would just be a humanized raptor with a lab coat and pants. Could easily be done.

do it then.

also you'd have to avoid being sued by other production companies and their dino-designs.

go on.. we're waiting

 

[Reikowolf]

How many franchises really go 4 films? Since I don't have Rocky, or soon Rambo to work with, the first to come to mind would be the early Bond movies. They did them, before Roger Moore took over way past 4.

superman (first run)
batman (first run)
kick boxer
delta force

well pretty much all popular 80's franchises

 

[FaT_tONle]

How many franchises really go 4 films? Since I don't have Rocky, or soon Rambo to work with, the first to come to mind would be the early Bond movies. They did them, before Roger Moore took over way past 4.

You are talking about one guy... the face of the franchise... now the question is... is Tobey that valuable? And if you invest all your money in him... can you really give him a supporting cast... it's like being the GM... but not everyone is the New York Yankees and can just buy everyone out there... but if Sony feels Tobey is that guy... let's just say that would be a huge risk for anyone to take regardless of what these films have done in the Box Office...

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't have the money, but Sony does. You guys act like it is oh so hard. For me, it is. For a MAJOR company, it isn't.

 

[FaT_tONle]

superman (first run)
batman (first run)
kick boxer
delta force

well pretty much all popular 80's franchises

Batman didn't have the same casts... and please... Delta force were the only movies Norris could have starred in in his life... so don't bring them into this discussion...

 

[Spider-Fan]

You are talking about one guy... the face of the franchise... now the question is... is Tobey that valuable? And if you invest all your money in him... can you really give him a supporting cast... it's like being the GM... but not everyone is the New York Yankees and can just buy everyone out there... but if Sony feels Tobey is that guy... let's just say that would be a huge risk for anyone to take regardless of what these films have done in the Box Office...

Ummmmm, Bond had other supporting characters. And look at the other guys post. He helped me.

 

[Reikowolf]

I don't have the money, but Sony does. You guys act like it is oh so hard. For me, it is. For a MAJOR company, it isn't.

we're not talking money

you said it would be a step backwards SFX wise
when it takes more to create a believably non-CGI looking character

it's more the artistic difficulty than the money involved.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Batman didn't have the same casts... and please... those were the only movies Norris could have starred in in his life... so don't bring them into this discussion...

What about Superman then?

 

[Spider-Fan]

we're not talking money

you said it would be a step backwards SFX wise
when it takes more to create a believably non-CGI looking character

it's more the artistic difficulty than the money involved.

For someone like the Sandman, who can do anything, and if they decide to have the suit have effects (which they might not have it move when on someone), I think that is a little harder then blending a man and a raptor.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Supes 3/4 were crap... but why am I even bringing this up? I'll tell you why... THEY WANT SIX MOVIES... do the math... you can't expect to sign these people when they hit 35/40... recasting is inevitable...

 

[Spider-Fan]

It is, but you don't have to recast after 3. That can be done once you set up Venom in SM3, and use him SM4. SM5 and SM6 can use a new cast. (I doubt there will be a 5 or 6, in any case.)

 

[Spider-Fan]

Also, Lethal Weapon, and Star Trek can be added to that list of 4's with the original cast.

 

[FaT_tONle]

It is, but you don't have to recast after 3. That can be done once you set up Venom in SM3, and use him SM4. SM5 and SM6 can use a new cast. (I doubt there will be a 5 or 6, in any case.)

They will always leave some ends open here and these... tell me this... what if you signed everyone else for two more beyond sm3... then you have an MJ/Parker marriage with like Gyllenhal and McAdams (popular choices to replace the characters)... how akward would that be... you can't just say they are going to finish everything by SM4... cause if it isn't the Venom saga... it will be the Lizard saga.. or some other BS... you think Sony is just going to ditch the last two movies knowing they can't be as successful than the first four with entirely new casts and stories... look... everyone is a fan of some character... if the Venom fans get what they want... then the Lizard fans will get d:cked over... if the Lizard fans get what they want... then Mysterio/Electro fans feel d:cked over... someone always gets d:icked over regardless...

 

[Spider-Fan]

What you guys have to realize is that not all franchises last very long. I think after SM4, we will see less of a demand for SM movies, and thus they won't get made. Six movies for any franchise (with a few exceptions, horror movies don't count) is pushing it. I see this series ending at 4, with them redoing Spider-Man's origin with a new cast somewhere down the line.

Being a Mysterio fan, I can tell you that even in 6 movies, he isn't popular enough to get one.

You can't please everyone.

 

[FaT_tONle]

If there is still any confusion between us... what you want... I pretty much want... big fan of Venom and if they could bring back Tohper, Dunst, Raimi, and Tobey... I want exactly what you want... but again... will Sony make this happen or will they move on... that's the million dollar question... I'll wait five years for that movie... make it ten years...

 

[Spider-Fan]

I hope Sony makes it happen. I was just giving my input on recasting, and the franchises future.