The Dark Knight Rises Without Lucius Fox should Batman go back to the basics?

[Mr. Earle]

^ He used the button in his boot to call a swarm of bats though. That was awesome!
I hope he uses it again.
Maybe he is injured and has to stay away from action for some time and villains and gothamites think he is dead. Then just as the villain is about to complete his plan, *screech*, *screech*, *screech* tons of bats fly to the top of a skyscraper with batman standing in the middle of the cloud they form. He flies with them over gotham to find the enemy who barely doesnt piss his pants! People in the streets clap at the awesome they experience!
Obviously that would have to happen after Batman redeems himself.

 

[returntovoid]

Since Batman will be on the run from the cops, I don't think he'll able to be present at Wayne Enterprises meetings as Bruce Wayne.

This is why I think Lucius will have to take care of Wayne Enterprises, this way Batman relies less on him for the gadgets.

It's better he relies less because another incident like Mr. Reese finding plans of some Bat-vehicle on paper lying around Wayne Enterprises in TDK should not happen again and besides, Batman also has tech skills.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Batman being on the run does not mean Bruce is you know. He'll still be at work, still have access to his own technology, the whole thing. In fact I think he'll just up his game and go more technological so it'll impossible for them to track him with their limited resources.

 

[DACrowe]

Actually Lucius being there makes A LOT OF SENSE. Batman is just starting out, as hard as it is to believe, a college drop out who spent 7 years living in poverty and learning the tricks of martial arts, magic and whatever else he did is not an MIT tech genius instantly as well. Somebody who can help him develop his technology and gadget motif.

Indeed, it is not accepted by fans for him to be there, but they accept his use of Oracle and a crew of sidekicks later down the line. Well in the early days he still could have used that sort of support and Fox being the one to do it works just fine.

 

[Piuchén]

Actually Lucius being there makes A LOT OF SENSE. Batman is just starting out, as hard as it is to believe, a college drop out who spent 7 years living in poverty and learning the tricks of martial arts, magic and whatever else he did is not an MIT tech genius instantly as well. Somebody who can help him develop his technology and gadget motif.

Indeed, it is not accepted by fans for him to be there, but they accept his use of Oracle and a crew of sidekicks later down the line. Well in the early days he still could have used that sort of support and Fox being the one to do it works just fine.

I agree and prefer Lucius than Oracle and a crew of other assistants.

 

[TheBatman072]

Since Batman will be on the run from the cops, I don't think he'll able to be present at Wayne Enterprises meetings as Bruce Wayne.

This is why I think Lucius will have to take care of Wayne Enterprises, this way Batman relies less on him for the gadgets.

It's better he relies less because another incident like Mr. Reese finding plans of some Bat-vehicle on paper lying around Wayne Enterprises in TDK should not happen again and besides, Batman also has tech skills.

Uhh...why?

 

[DieSmiling]

People who don't think Lucius will be back didn't understand the end of the movie.

"Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded."

Seriously... You'd think with how much some people obsess about these movies they'd understand major plot points.

 

[Two-Face]

It was same in Begins where somebody made a thread about if Fox knew Bruce is Batman of course he does he gave the Tumbler and saw it on the news.....


In TDK it's same again long as the machine was at WE Fox won't be that's why Bruce gave him to do it and the machine was destroyed by typing his name. It's that simple Fox WILL be back which means Morgan Freeman WILL be back.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Actually Lucius being there makes A LOT OF SENSE. Batman is just starting out, as hard as it is to believe, a college drop out who spent 7 years living in poverty and learning the tricks of martial arts, magic and whatever else he did is not an MIT tech genius instantly as well. Somebody who can help him develop his technology and gadget motif.

Indeed, it is not accepted by fans for him to be there, but they accept his use of Oracle and a crew of sidekicks later down the line. Well in the early days he still could have used that sort of support and Fox being the one to do it works just fine.

People in here have no idea who Oracle is. They only know Batman from the movies and BTAS. In comics, just like you say he has support from Oracle, Robin, Nightwing, sometimes he trains and cooperates with the Outsiders, the Justice League, etc.
Yeah he is a loner, but he has help from time to time. I only dislike Oracle's role to be honest.

I agree and prefer Lucius than Oracle and a crew of other assistants.

Agreed.

 

[COMPO]

I think what with Reese finding the the plans Bruce will be building some of his plans more, since he's on the run the police will want to find Reese to question him, which might lead back to Fox and WE. So he takes plans and hides them and starts making this gadgets himself.

But I agree what a poster said a few posts up, he is a college drop out although, he was about 23 at the time meaning he only had what one year of college left (Am I right? just incase I've got the math wrong) so he might have learnt something about engineering, plus I'd imagine he'd learn something from Lucius which I got from the scene where they're analysing the Joker's bullet for finger clips.

 

[Mr. Earle]

With the cave now built, he can have a huge workshop in which to design and build his arsenal. Fox could work in there as well.

 

[COMPO]

Na, I think Fox should go into the cave. I think it would be like the less I know the better mentality with him.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I wouldnt want him in the cave too much, but he could work his projects there.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Maybe if you did a Batman movie based in the 40's. Which, although it would never happen, i would love to see.

Why wouldn't they have a 1940s period in a Batman movie?

 

[Brother Jack]

Why wouldn't they have a 1940s period in a Batman movie?

Too out there, too risky.

 

[DACrowe]

People in here have no idea who Oracle is. They only know Batman from the movies and BTAS. In comics, just like you say he has support from Oracle, Robin, Nightwing, sometimes he trains and cooperates with the Outsiders, the Justice League, etc.
Yeah he is a loner, but he has help from time to time. I only dislike Oracle's role to be honest. Agreed.

I actually prefer TAS to the comics continuity and that includes pre or post-crisis! Yeah, I do enjoy the Bat comics, but TAS has such a better flow with a clear beginning, middle and end. I love The Killing Joke as the best ever Joker story, but I prefer Barbara Gordon growing old as Batgirl, having an relationship with Bruce and eventually growing bitter and wise as a commissioner herself to always being on the comm link. I love Death in the Family, but the transition from Dick to Tim was far better with Dick Grayson being a rather cool character from the beginning and his relationship with Batman being far deeper (and more brutal). My only complaint of TAS continuity is we never get resolution for Dick like we do for Bruce, Barbara, Tim and even Joker (and Mr. Freeze for that matter).

And while TDKR is an amazing piece of literature and brilliant piece of writing (though I disagree with the severity of that interpretation and its fascist undertones), I much prefer BB's vision of Batman's future and old age.



With all that said I like Oracle. And either continuity (if we could imagine Nolan's Batman doing it for 20-30 years and Gary Oldman's Jim Gordon having his petite daughter becoming Batgirl for example) fans accept this team dynamic which I'm for the most part fine with. But this "Gotham Knights" era has made Batman not a loner for the last 15 years in the comics and the latter parts of TAS. Well in imagining a realistic vision of Batman's early days, Bruce having a network of people, just not Gordon and even Dent, makes sense. He has Alfred and Gordon still, as well as Dent, but also Rachel Dawes and Lucius Fox who can do the more high-minded work for him and give him limited assistance. More technical support than he has ever had in the fantastical comics, but less on-the-ground support than he has had in decades in the comics or animation.

 

[Mr. Earle]

BTAS is my favourite version of Batman as well. And i prefer Batman Beyond as a possible future for Bruce than TDKR.

 

[returntovoid]

Maybe if you did a Batman movie based in the 40's. Which, although it would never happen, i would love to see.

BTAS had a 40's setting except the technology Batman was using was much more advanced, in the show.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

He'll probably be back

 

[COMPO]

I do hope in this film Batman starts building some weapons of his own yet taking stuff from Wayne Industries as he's always done in the comics.

 

[raynorWilm]

I'm not sure why we are assuming that Lucius will be gone. He will be back and will help Bruce develop technology based on his immediate needs and not stuff that Wayne Int. already has...

 

[COMPO]

I'm not seen Lucius is gone, I'm just saying Bruce should make some stuff himself.

 

[mothy]

BTAS is my favourite version of Batman as well. And i prefer Batman Beyond as a possible future for Bruce than TDKR.

it's very close for me as well.

btas has the novelty of being totally watchable by both children and adults. i can't think of any too many animated shows you can say that about.

when i read the comics, i think of batman as being able to move so quickly that it seems plausible somehow that he could dodge a bullet. the show communicated that idea pretty well with a pretty heavy 1940's/noir/crime atmosphere.

btas is an awesome show. they just don't make cartoons like they used to.

 

[Mr. Earle]

it's very close for me as well.

btas has the novelty of being totally watchable by both children and adults. i can't think of any too many animated shows you can say that about.

when i read the comics, i think of batman as being able to move so quickly that it seems plausible somehow that he could dodge a bullet. the show communicated that idea pretty well with a pretty heavy 1940's/noir/crime atmosphere.

btas is an awesome show. they just don't make cartoons like they used to.

You should also watch JL, JLU, Batman Beyond, and the Brave and the Bold. They do make them like they used to.
Brave and Bold is just amazing. After a few episodes you'll fell in love with it like i have.

 

[Fresh Prince]

BTAS took place in the 1940s?...I thought in the 1990s, but had a 1940s atmosphere?....Or timeless like Burton's movies?.