worst CB movie so far

worst CB movie

  • x-men 3

  • batman and robin

  • elektra

  • catwoman

  • steel


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SR is amazing though....

Crow 4 should be up there instead of X3


Yeh NO SR was anything but an amazing nap for most folks and again the BIAS to put X3 in there and ignore SR is just wrong.

Check your numbers X3 did way way way better than SR at the BO and in DVD sales so the average person liked X3 more than SR by a longshot.

also the crow movies are not based off comic books, comic books were written about the crow after the movie came out at least I am pretty sure on that.
 
Yeh NO SR was anything but an amazing nap for most folks and again the BIAS to put X3 in there and ignore SR is just wrong.

Check your numbers X3 did way way way better than SR at the BO and in DVD sales so the average person liked X3 more than SR by a longshot.

BO is not a good gauge of quality, for example, look at SM3. If you wanna look at critical opinion, SR is vastly superior to Sm3, X3 etc etc.

I agree the unfair bias on X3 though, it IS crap, but there are other films that are worse.
 
BO is not a good gauge of quality, for example, look at SM3. If you wanna look at critical opinion, SR is vastly superior to Sm3, X3 etc etc.

I agree the unfair bias on X3 though, it IS crap, but there are other films that are worse.

I am not going to get into it with you but BO is the only indicator of whether a movie is good or not as everything else is opinion and DVD sales really show if people like a movie as not many buy something they did not like hence the reason I mentioned DVD sales as well as BO.

But I do not want to thread jack just thought it is unfair X3 is in a worst CB movie list when it is clearly one of the best liked at least at this point in time based on how well it did in BO as well as DVD sales which were excellent.

Also it is your opinion SR is better than spiderman3 I do not agree with that at all and do not put SR anywhere near any spiderman movie.
 
I am not going to get into it with you but BO is the only indicator of whether a movie is good or not as everything else is opinion and DVD sales really show if people like a movie as not many buy something they did not like hence the reason I mentioned DVD sales as well as BO.

But I do not want to thread jack just thought it is unfair X3 is in a worst CB movie list when it is clearly one of the best liked at least at this point in time based on how well it did in BO as well as DVD sales which were excellent.

BO only indicates Marketing really. DVD sales are still related to marketing heavily also.

These are my worst 10 CB films in rough descending order.

Ghost Rider
Batman and Robin
Fantastic Four
Man-Thing
Superman III
Elektra
The Crow 4
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Catwoman
Steel -WORST
 
BO only indicates Marketing really. DVD sales are still related to marketing heavily also.

These are my worst 10 CB films in rough descending order.

Ghost Rider
Batman and Robin
Fantastic Four
Man-Thing
Superman III
Elektra
The Crow 4
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Catwoman
Steel -WORST


We will have to agree to disagree then as by DVD time its not marketing that is selling DVD its WOM at least IMO.

You may not think BO is an indicator but that is merely your opinion facts show otherwise and studio's only care about BO and DVD sales as no sequel is ever made because a film was well made or looked good they get made based on BO and DVD sales.
But again I am not going to debate BO vs critic's with you as this is not the thread for that so I am done responding in this thread i have said my points and stick with them.
 
We will have to agree to disagree then as by DVD time its not marketing that is selling DVD its WOM at least IMO.

You may not think BO is an indicator but that is merely your opinion facts show otherwise and studio's only care about BO and DVD sales as no sequel is ever made because a film was well made or looked good they get made based on BO and DVD sales.
But again I am not going to debate BO vs critic's with you as this is not the thread for that so I am done responding in this thread i have said my points and stick with them.

Studio's care about money, not quality.

By your reasoning, SM3 is one of the best films ever made?:whatever:
 
To put it simply, X3 sucks as a movie and it's a tterrible follow up to the first 2 films.
 
Its a close one for me between B&R and X-3, but I have to give the edge to B&R as being the worst one listed.
 
To put it simply, X3 sucks as a movie and it's a tterrible follow up to the first 2 films.

Yeah but why does it suck? I do not see what is so terrible about this film. Maybe it's because I never really got into the X-Men comics, who knows? But as a film, I see nothing wrong with it. It's not amazing or brilliant, mind you, it's just not horrendous either. I was wondering if someone could tell me why they think it is so bad.
 
Yeah but why does it suck? I do not see what is so terrible about this film. Maybe it's because I never really got into the X-Men comics, who knows? But as a film, I see nothing wrong with it. It's not amazing or brilliant, mind you, it's just not horrendous either. I was wondering if someone could tell me why they think it is so bad.

I think that's part of the reason some people didn't like it. Many people here are very passionate about the X-Men comics and stories and were upset because Cyclops and Xavier died etc.

I also never got into the comics but loved the cartoon and the movies. Admittedly X3 isn't as good as X2 but I think it's just as good as X1 personally and imo it's fine as a movie and adaptation of the comic books. I'm sorry but people are seriously deluded if they think it's as bad as the likes of B&R and Catwoman!
 
To put it simply, X3 sucks as a movie and it's a tterrible follow up to the first 2 films.


In your opinion sorry to bad so sad no one but you cares about your opinion.

Many more liked X3 than dislike it in fact I would go as far as to say only haters do not like X3 and most of the haters are singerites who also defend the terrible SR IMO anyways.
Check BO and DVD sales and tell me how everyone bought that terrible X3
on DVD when it just sucks so bad huh?
While I can see the issues many have with X3 I just love how they praise the first two and ignore the fact the first two are just as bad if you are going to call X3 bad call a spade a spade and say the whole series is crap because Singer got it all wrong from the get go.
I would list the problems with X1,X2 and X3 but they have been hashed and re-hashed a dozen times by now.
But there is no way to make X3 better when you have to follow the flawed messed up plots from X1 and X2 and have Fox dictating what they want in the movie for X3.
 
X1 and X2 were nothing like the third installment, direction, writing, tone, and even the actual characters changed in the third film. The flawed messed up points of X1 and X2????

A perfect set up for the phoenix....did singer set up this cure rubbish? The basic story of X3 is good, but execution from writing onwards was attrocious.
 
X-MEN: THE LAST STAND

X-Men: The Last Stand, is the third instalment in the successful 'X-men' franchise based upon the comic books of the same name. However with a different director at the helm and a slightly different writing team, would the film keep up the quality of the previous movies?

The mutant world is shocked when one boy's powers can help permanently 'cure' other mutants of their powers. Magneto(Ian McKellan) leads a rebellion to stop this, whilst mysteriously Jean Grey(Famke Janssen) returns, however she is not quite the same anymore. Once again the X-men must stop Magneto before it's too late.

The narrative itself seems rather ill-conceived, a lot is crammed in which results in none of it having integrity. There are some unusual plot twists that the audience do not see coming at all, these are handled with basic skill.

The choice of locations in this movie are absolutely awful, using very plain and dull exteriors that are overused. The characters themselves have been turned into one dimensional beings since 'X2' and the level of writing makes for bad performances all round.

The direction is exceedingly uninspiring, using a rotating pan far too often and using the camera in the most basic of fashions, which comes across to the viewer in a bad light. This would seem the product of a film school, generic and stereotypical with no creativity.

The constant usage of second rate computer generated images distances the audience from the movie, as we can clearly see it's very fake and the director makes no attempt to hide this, coupled with atrocious wirework, only the make-up effects deserve credit.

In conclusion, this may very well be the film that has killed off the franchise. Changing established characters into clichéd stereotypes through a narrative that fails repeatedly, not too mention the lack of artistic talent and poor set decisions. This movie is below mediocre, it can entertain for a while, but certainly goes down hill after twenty minutes. Keep your expectations very low.
 
^not the worst one, but still, not a good film at all. Does it deserve to be in the bottom five list? No. Bottom 10? yes.
 
In your opinion sorry to bad so sad no one but you cares about your opinion.
Wow, you really opened my eyes to what's true.:whatever:
Many more liked X3 than dislike it in fact I would go as far as to say only haters do not like X3 and most of the haters are singerites who also defend the terrible SR IMO anyways.
Actually X3 pretty much splits the fans right down the middle. And I'm not a "Singerite"; I enjoyed SR, but I can find the flaws in the movie.
Check BO and DVD sales and tell me how everyone bought that terrible X3
on DVD when it just sucks so bad huh?
BO & DVD sales mean crap when it comes to quality.
While I can see the issues many have with X3 I just love how they praise the first two and ignore the fact the first two are just as bad if you are going to call X3 bad call a spade a spade and say the whole series is crap because Singer got it all wrong from the get go.
I agree he ot it wrong, b he made the first two enjoyable movies that were more than just CGI crapfest.
I would list the problems with X1,X2 and X3 but they have been hashed and re-hashed a dozen times by now.
But there is no way to make X3 better when you have to follow the flawed messed up plots from X1 and X2 and have Fox dictating what they want in the movie for X3.
Oh yeah, the Phoenix set up was nowhere to be seen. And Prof X was always planned to die as a exploding pinata. The cure was atually created by Stryker but there wasn't enough time in X2.:whatever:
X1 and X2 were nothing like the third installment, direction, writing, tone, and even the actual characters changed in the third film. The flawed messed up points of X1 and X2????

A perfect set up for the phoenix....did singer set up this cure rubbish? The basic story of X3 is good, but execution from writing onwards was attrocious.
Exactly. Thank you.
 
I know it's gonna be a popular statement, but Superman Returns sucked it hard. Like sucking a golf ball through a hose hard.
 
also the crow movies are not based off comic books, comic books were written about the crow after the movie came out at least I am pretty sure on that.

The Crow was a comic book way before a movie came out
 
also the crow movies are not based off comic books, comic books were written about the crow after the movie came out at least I am pretty sure on that.

If there was ever a time when someone should have visited Wikipedia before posting....:cwink:
 
X1 and X2 were nothing like the third installment, direction, writing, tone, and even the actual characters changed in the third film. The flawed messed up points of X1 and X2????

A perfect set up for the phoenix....did singer set up this cure rubbish? The basic story of X3 is good, but execution from writing onwards was attrocious.

But is the cure ‘rubbish’? It was part of Joss Whedon’s Astonishing X-Men series. Do you think the bigoted notion of curing those who are different is too offensive to be tackled as a story? Is it any more offensive than a legacy virus to kill off mutants (parallels to Aids), or Sentinels, or Genosha mutant death-camp (parallel’s to Nazi Germany).

And do you think the Phoenix is enough to carry a movie on its own? Jean comes back from the lake...and then what? You’d need a lot more than Jean’s descent into darkness to fill a movie and to satisfy the socio-political themes.

Also, you say the direction, writing, tone and characters changed. But isn’t that self-evident? The writers and director of X1 and X2 didn’t stick around to be involved in X3, therefore Fox had no choice but to involve diferent writers and a different director. Whoever had been involved would have created a different tone to Bryan Singer. That shouldn’t even need to be stated.
 
To put it simply, X3 sucks as a movie and it's a tterrible follow up to the first 2 films.


X3 is great as a movie and is mediocre follow up to the first 2 films.

Just because it was not what you (or I) wanted the film to turn out, does not mean it was not a good film.

Its a shame that its being grouped with the worst CB movie ever, Because it is head and shoulders higher than Catwomen, steel, GR, Constaintine, Elektra, Hulk

If X3 is on this list, then Spiderman 3 should be too. Even though neither are the worst. (Both were equally dissapointing and deserved better) But are NOT the worst CB movies!
 
The narrative itself seems rather ill-conceived, a lot is crammed in which results in none of it having integrity. There are some unusual plot twists that the audience do not see coming at all, these are handled with basic skill.

I don’t think too much was crammed in....but editing/pacing made it seem so because of the final running time of the film. And maybe one or two characters could have been trimmed out.


The choice of locations in this movie are absolutely awful, using very plain and dull exteriors that are overused. The characters themselves have been turned into one dimensional beings since 'X2' and the level of writing makes for bad performances all round.

I find nothing wrong with locations as such. The mansion/school obviously has to feature - for the first time we see the gardens (funeral scene), the Danger Room, and a modified infirmary; Jean’s parents’ house is fine; the Dept of Mutant Affairs; Worthington Labs main HQ and Alcatraz site; Magneto’s forest base; the church where the mutant community action meeting was held; Alkali Lake. I don’t think other locations or sets were necessary for that script. The Washington showdown, and a ‘wrath of Phoenix’ destruction in SF didn’t happen because of script changes to create more closure and a ‘happy’ ending.

I agree there was some dodgy acting and cheesy dialogue in places. Bryan’s work in the previous movies was never cheesy, for sure.

The direction is exceedingly uninspiring, using a rotating pan far too often and using the camera in the most basic of fashions, which comes across to the viewer in a bad light. This would seem the product of a film school, generic and stereotypical with no creativity.

I sort of agree. Considering that Phillipe Rousselot and then Dante Spinotti worked on this movie, it’s surprising (astounding in fact) that the cinematography wasn’t more breathtaking. The colour palette was nice and rich though. A few nice shots - looking over Alkali Lake, Angel’s flight of freedom, the slow motion in the Phoenix vs Xavier battle, the initial tearing away of the bridge, the X-Men’s arrivals at Alcatraz. But... the camerawork is not that inspired in many other superhero movies. SR has visual craft in places but that’s NOT enough to make an overall good movie. The cinematography in X1 and X2 is nothing remarkable. The tiny CGI figure of Jean holding back the wave in X2 (shot fom above) is annoyingly as fake as the tiny figure of Superman lifting the island in SR - an attempt to show scale that doesn’t work. Far better to begin with a close-up of the characters and then zoom out, which gives scale and keeps a convincing sense of reality.


The constant usage of second rate computer generated images distances the audience from the movie, as we can clearly see it's very fake and the director makes no attempt to hide this, coupled with atrocious wirework, only the make-up effects deserve credit.

The CGI seemed excellent. Where do you think it was second rate? Only two bad pieces of wirework - Beast’s horizontal flying leap at Alcatraz and Phoenix’s stiff-legged levitation on Alcatraz. Otherwise fine. Remember the previous movies where Storm’s elevator flight was awkward, most of Toad’s movements were awkward, Sabretooth’s leap into the trees looks fake, the police cars raised by Magneto look obviously hoisted in the air by crane. Storm’s flying at Jean’s house, her tornado twirling and her descent on Alcatraz were fine. Effects for Magneto were as good as always, though the lack of synchronisation between hand gestures and vehicle movement when he attacks the prison convoy does irritate me a little (though the delayed response is not a flaw and was seen before with the police cars in X1).

In conclusion, this may very well be the film that has killed off the franchise. Changing established characters into clichéd stereotypes through a narrative that fails repeatedly, not too mention the lack of artistic talent and poor set decisions. This movie is below mediocre, it can entertain for a while, but certainly goes down hill after twenty minutes. Keep your expectations very low.

I find it above mediocre, but can see where it disappoints.
 
X3 is great as a movie and is mediocre follow up to the first 2 films.

Just because it was not what you (or I) wanted the film to turn out, does not mean it was not a good film.

Its a shame that its being grouped with the worst CB movie ever, Because it is head and shoulders higher than Catwomen, steel, GR, Constaintine, Elektra, Hulk

If X3 is on this list, then Spiderman 3 should be too. Even though neither are the worst. (Both were equally dissapointing and deserved better) But are NOT the worst CB movies!

Well said, X3 is a flawed movie but it's way too extreme to count it as one of the worst alongside the likes of Catwoman and B&R!
 
How can anyone consider Hulk in the same league as Steel, Catwoman, et al?

Whatever problems you have with Hulk, it has superb production and technical values. It has some really spectacular visuals, and ambitious action scenes. This alone raises it above the TV movie quality Steel, and the music video-esque Catwoman.
 

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