Would the movie have been better without Venom?

[Victarion]

Well, if not for Venom, it would've been Vulture...

 

[Iron Man's Dad]

My belief is it would have been better if either the Venom or Sandman story dropped. Harry's story was necessary for this movie to wrap up the trilogy, that was a given, but the inclusion of both characters was at both's expense and each was criminally undeveloped and sloppily written as a result.

What was the mystery illness and the cure for Sandman's daughter? What was that experiment trying to accomplish and why were they performing it in the middle of the night? How did Eddie wind up in the same church out of the thousands of churches in NYC? Why doesn't Eddie question the black ooze that just took over his body and just accept that he has all of Spidey's powers? Why does he immediately team up with Sandman, didn't he always want the pleasure of killing Spidey?

Venom I thought was the most shortchanged, I, admittedly, was never a big Sandman fan but I thought he was well realized visually (didn't like the whole flying sandstorm thing though) if not as a character. His origin was pure 50’s B movie in a bad way. Venom should have had a scene where he explained to Eddie why "they" were Venom. The film missed the opportunity to show Spiderman against a villian invisible to his spider sense. Instead of Peter spinning around and being grabbed from above, imagine after a prolonged chase and Spiderman moves into a dark room, up in the corner of the ceiling Venom's white eyes opening in the darkness. While I'm ranting, how about this scene ripped from the comics, where he comes to Aunt May's house as Eddie and asks for Peter, they then walk down the street and Eddie explains how this was personal and he wouldn't hurt people like Aunt May, "innocents"? Visually he looked the part but I'm afraid he was VINO, in my humble opinion.

Ok, I feel better.

Ultimately I think that they should have introduced the symbiote, developed the Sandman, and finished the Goblin storyline. In Spidey 4 you could have introduced and developed Venom properly. Oh well, too late.

My $.02.

IMD

 

[Frodo]

I think they could have reworked some of the idea's and left other's on the cutting room floor .
I think they should have Had the Hobgoblin , Symboite along with Eddie Brock as sort of a side villian.

Here's how it could have worked :

SM3 takes place a year after , SM2. Things are going great for Peter AND for MJ. He's getting good grades and he's at the peak of his career as Spiderman. In the meanwhile MJ's Modeling/acting career is taking off . As a result they're spending less time together . MJ would still be coming to terms with Peter being Spiderman , and still a bit unsure if she could deal with losing him.

Harry would already be the Hobgoblin unbeknown to Peter . His goal would be to destroy his friend in every way possible . To hurt his career's as both Peter Parker and Spiderman , and to make his life a living hell . After that he would make the kill . I'd make the Hobgoblin far more physically powerful then his father . It would give Harry an edge over Peter in every encounter . In the first battle then have it would Peter with a broken shoulder . This would further add to MJ worries about Peter and Harry's feud. Peter would begin to worry that he's not powerful enough to protect the ones he cares about.

But matters are complicated when Harry meets a classmate and mutal friend of Peter and MJ named Liz Allen . He begins to fall for her yet at the same time he's still haunted by images of Norman telling him to avenge him . Harry much like Peter in Spiderman 2 ,is now leading a double life and must choose between revenge and Happiness.

Eddie Brock would be given Sandman's back story about the the sick daughter. He would still be a loser accept he would work for Gossip rags and the bugle to pay for his daughter. He wouldn't turn into Venom until the last shot of the film.

The Symboite would be brought back to earth by John Jamesson much like in the animated series . The symboite would break of out it's containor and attack John mid entry thus causing the crash . Spiderman would rescue the unconcisus Jamesson from the crash . In the process it would get on his suit .
Like in cartoon, Brock would snap pictures of Spiderman making it appear he's stolen the symbiote . John would be in a coma. The city thinks Spiderman's gone rouge.

I would have switched the casting around and had Thomas Hadden Church as Eddie Brock . IMO he was more suited for this role then Sandman. Think of his character in Sideways. A guy u know is a major jerk yet he always seems to escape punishment. I'd have Bryce Dallas Howard as Liz Allen . I'd keep out Sandman, the Stacy's,Uncle Ben's subplot,

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Like I said before, they should have built Brock's character in the first two movies. The story for SM3 might have been better if they did that IMO. The short time he gets is what made SM3 bad.

 

[Visionary]

The short time Venom had on screen made SM3 really good for me, now if the comic books could follow suit.

 

[Avangarde]

He'll be back.

 

[Capt. Jack]

yeah i believe the film would have been much better without venom

now before anyone backlashes i love venom as a character and also loved him for the short time he was in spider-man 3

but his presence took too much away from the rest of the film's characters and plots and subplots which there were thousands

it would be the same if it were sandman not in the film instead of venom not being in it which i would prefer but that was not the question

i believe that the cutting of any semi large plot no matter how cool it was or could have been would have improved this jumble of a film

so yeah

 

[TheCaptain22555]

Tough call, I enjoyed the Venom scenes and even hope he'll come back somehow. One thing is certain a lot of the hype surrounding the movie was because people initially figured that Venom would show up in the last moments of the movie without much time at all.

 

[Chris B]

I liked Topher Grace's performance, but I think Spider-Man 3 should've omited the symbiote, Eddie Brock, and Venom, and I think the film would've been better.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Venom adds more coolness to the film. I mean Venom shows how somebody lets the darkness consume them and it shows what happens when you do that. Not to mention he is the biggest Challenge Spidey has ever faced so it's very unique and very entertaining. Not to mention that Eddie Brocks Character is great to watch because he lost everything and now he seeks revenge against Spidey so he accepts the power that has been given to him and he lets it consume him.

 

[bullets]

it was good to see venom cant complain about that

 

[Lantern Venom]

I'm afraid he was VINO, in my humble opinion.

Ok, I feel better.

Ultimately I think that they should have introduced the symbiote, developed the Sandman, and finished the Goblin storyline. In Spidey 4 you could have introduced and developed Venom properly. Oh well, too late.

My $.02.

IMD

DING! DING! DING! You win the prize.

 

[Iron Man's Dad]

DING! DING! DING! You win the prize.

Balloon or Cupie Doll?

 

[Lantern Venom]

Balloon or Cupie Doll?

Velvet pic of dogs playing poker.

 

[darklugia777]

there needed to be more venom i mean come on **** sandman ,gimmie more venom

 

[Iron Man's Dad]

Velvet pic of dogs playing poker.

Cool!

(waits by the mailbox)

 

[Blader5489]

I think the only problem with removing Venom from the movie is that you lose the threat and immediacy of the final battle. Sandman wasn't evil, he "just had bad luck." His actions, while bad, were derived from good intentions, so I can't imagine him deliberately kidnapping MJ and using her to lure Peter.

And without Venom, how does Harry sacrifice himself? I can't see Sandman doing what Venom did.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Venom was not the problem with the film,Emotional Peter was.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Emotional Peter was not the problem with the film, uptight fanboys were.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No, the movie would not have been better without Venom. He was essential to the theme of the movie. While the other characters were searching for some form of forgiveness, Venom wasn't. He blamed everyone else for his problems, and not himself. The other characters faced inner turmoil. Without Venom, these characters never get to finish their examinations of their inner selves. Sandman had to see people die to realize how wrong his methods were becoming. Harry needed to see Peter in grave danger to help and forgive him (the Sandman alone wouldn't cut it). Peter needed to face Venom in order to face and get passed all the bad he did with the suit (remember Aunt May's speech?). We needed the suit story to bring out Peter's dark side (thats why I am glad they didn't go the Vulture route...this theme would not have been done as well).

Venom was essential. Had they done this in two movies, I guarantee people would be saying (much like the Matrix sequels) why didn't they do it in one awesome movie instead of two overly dragging ones.

 

[Blader5489]

Venom was not the problem with the film,Emotional Peter was.

"Emotional Peter" was the star of SM2. SM3 Peter (at least when he wore the black suit) was anything but emo.

Btw, Spiderfan, that was a nice way to put it. Thinking about it now, none of the characters would have been able to redeem themselves if Venom hadn't been there.

 

[Gigo]

I agree that this movie needed venom for the plot it was trying desperatley to have us all follow.

That being said, I think the problem is with the scrpit/concept for this movie. By jumbling together the seperate storylines of 4, wait, no 6 characters ( many of whom were just barely touched on) the juxtaposition of peter/venom is easy to skip right over. It's given as much screen time as the 'battle' between Gwen and MJ.

Venom felt like a cameo. " OMG, was that venom?!? Coooool" and not an intricate part of the plot. A nod to the fanboys with a slapdash effort to involve it in the overall plot.

IMO this movie did need Venom, but neither did Venom need to be in this movie, nor did this movie realy even need to be made. It serves a sagging plot to include him, but the sagging plot does very little for him, and why use the sagging plot at all?

A better (more focused) plot would have served us all better. If we were to compare this to a house it would be like trying to decide whether to replace the shingles or siding while the foundation crumbles away.

 

[Spider-Fan]

"Emotional Peter" was the star of SM2. SM3 Peter (at least when he wore the black suit) was anything but emo.

Btw, Spiderfan, that was a nice way to put it. Thinking about it now, none of the characters would have been able to redeem themselves if Venom hadn't been there.

Exactly. I can see where people were unhappy with Venom's portrayel ( wasn't, but different strokes for different folks), but at the same time, people need to recognize how important Venom's short lived life was to the movie.

 

[MultiWizard]

I agree with a lot of you here:

In retrospect, I would have introduced the symbiote in SM3, had Peter wear it most of the movie, have him realize it was a symbiote near the end and have Doc Conners contain it in some way to be studied. Peter goes back to the ol' red and blue for the remainder of the pic. Eddie Brock is introduced in SM3 and has the whole film to show everyone how he operates. Refine the Sandman storyline and finish up the Harry plot.

In SM4, have Doc Conners experimenting with lizard DNA, during one of his experiments, the container holding the symbiote falls and is opened allowing the symbiote to escape and find Peter, but instead of finding Peter first, it finds Eddie, thus creating Venom without Peter's knowledge. Then you can have Venom turn the city against Spider-man by impersonating Spidey. He can tease Peter with revealing his identity and there could be some good fightin' for all throughout the movie.

Now, I can see the problem in doing this with the actor's and Raimi's contracts, but it would have given enough time for Sandman in 3, Venom in 4, and set up Lizard for 5.

Just my two cents...

 

[Blader5489]

^But the problem is that Avi Arad was pressuring Raimi into putting Venom into this movie. When Raimi was first told to include Venom, one of his initial thoughts was to end the film on the cliffhanger of Brock becoming Venom. It took more cajoling from Arad for Raimi to make Venom a part of the storyline and not just a way to end the movie.