Would the movie have been better without Venom?

[LordSimen]

Yes. Venom should have been saved for the fourth movie, Harry and Sandman could have carried their own movie.

 

[November Rain]

hmmm, cant see sandman killing harry based on the story we get in this one...


although if the symbiote was used, i can see harry needing another dose of goblin formula to recover from the original blasts to his face and this being the resultant reasoning of his demise in the last film.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I think the movie would have been great without Sandman. Keep all the other elements and build up Harry's stalking and messing with Peter, and Peter's decent due to the symbiote, resulting in seriously hurting Harry and slapping MJ. Then have Venom take MJ, Pete go to save her, Harry go to save her, Pete fighting off both Harry and Venom. And when Pete is getting a beating from Venom and Harry and Venom is going in to finish it, Harry remembers their friendship and steps in to save him and get's killed by Venom in the process. Then Pete takes out venom.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Yeah, guys, Harry didn't need to be KILLED.

Or are we forgetting the comics? Harry died because he overdosed on Goblin serum.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Actually, the movie probably would have been worse without Venom. Why? Because if the rumours are true, then they would have used the Vulture in his place, and I think that wouldn't have worked as well within the theme of the movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, guys, Harry didn't need to be KILLED.

Or are we forgetting the comics? Harry died because he overdosed on Goblin serum.

It was a great homage to one of the best comics of all time, though. Thus, I loved that scene.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Yeah, guys, Harry didn't need to be KILLED.

Or are we forgetting the comics? Harry died because he overdosed on Goblin serum.

But how anti-climactic is that? He'd save Peter then collapse on the street and say that he took to much serum? I know that's how it went down in the comics, but that would not work for a movie.

 

[Eddie Brock]

But how anti-climactic is that? He'd save Peter then collapse on the street and say that he took to much serum? I know that's how it went down in the comics, but that would not work for a movie.

Yes, it absolutely would.

Harry became so encompassed by his thirst for revenge that he disregarded his own health.

 

[mjbull23]

I can't say for certain it would've been better w/o Venom, but they definitely did the character a disservice by shoving him into the final act of the movie for a total of perhaps 15 mins screen time... He should have, and could have had his own movie.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I didn't really care much for Venom. There could have been more of him, but the movie was still good nonetheless.

 

[SlyGuyTtjn]

No, Venom ruled.

 

[Anwar]

They had to have another villain in this for Peter to fight aside from Harry: Harry could never be the central villain for commercial reasons, the Goblin had already been done and the studio wanted someone new.

It couldn't be Venom either, because if you're doing the symbiote storyline Venom only happens after Peter loses the symbiote.

Also, they had to have Peter going bad before he got the suit and the suit only amplifies what he's already feeling. If they gave us Dark Spider-Man as a direct result of the suit the general audience would complain that Raimi used the symbiote as a plot device to give us a "Dark" Peter instead of having him go bad on his owna nd the darkness be a truer part of the story. Having the suit be responsible worked in the cartoon because it was a cartoon. It wouldn't work on a big-screen version.

Therefore, this new villain had to have done something to Peter so awful it would make him want to kill him even before he got the symbiote, and only killing someone he loved would do that. They couldn't get rid of MJ or May so they had to tie this villain to soeone Peter loved that was dead. Ben was the only choice.

And since they thought this was the last film, they had to not only introduce all the amjor players but WRAP THEM UP as well, this includes Venom.

Probably for the best they did use Venom in this. If they hadn't and then someone else later did the Venom story the audience would be all "why are they doing another Dark Peter story? They did it before and he didn't need this alien goo as a plot device to go bad, it was his own inner demons. And he beat them so why is this happening again?" It would rob the symbiote of its potency.

 

[Blader5489]

I think the "problem" with Venom is that he was the secondary villain in SM3. Fighting and defeating him was the final step in Peter putting his dark side behind him. And the only reason this is a problem is because Venom is praised and worshiped by a ridiculously hardcore fanbase, probably more so than any other Spidey villain.

Venom can't get his own movie, that just doesn't make sense. Venom's whole schtick fits in with this movie's theme of revenge/forgiveness and the "battle within." Putting Venom in a separate film makes this one thematically incomplete. Not to mention that Venom is, visually, a boring character to base an entire film about. He's an evil version of Spider-Man. It's about as creative as the New Goblin (who really only works as a good villain because the new SFX allow him to do what Green Goblin didn't).

Venom worked best as the secondary villain in SM3. People need to accept this. A few more scenes to flesh out Brock's character and a few extra minutes of Venom fighting would have all been great, but it wouldn't have changed the role that Venom ultimately plays, and fulfills, in the movie. And you know what? That's perfectly fine. There's nothing else that can truly be done with the character.

Get over it.

 

[BruceBanner]

hmmm, cant see sandman killing harry based on the story we get in this one...


although if the symbiote was used, i can see harry needing another dose of goblin formula to recover from the original blasts to his face and this being the resultant reasoning of his demise in the last film.

Yeah, didn't he did in the comics cos he was poisoned by the Goblin formula? Didn't he did? Didn't he die.

 

[BruceBanner]

they would have used the Vulture

Anyone else wanna see the Vulture in a future movie? I heard somewhere Ben Kingsley was gonna play him. There's really no one else for the role is there?

 

[BruceBanner]

that would not work for a movie.

Don't see why not.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Holy thread ressurection Batman

 

[Spider-Vader]

It would of been better without the dancing. :P
Venom would of been a cooler character with more screen time.

 

[omid17]

By far the weakest and easiest villain that spidey defeated

 

[Anwar]

At least Spidey had to use his brain to beat Venom, all the other guys he pretty much just wailed on them with his fists.

Venom can't hold a movie on his own, he lacks the finesse and depth of guys like Norman or Harry.

 

[matthooper]

Venom saved the movie.

That said, the problem was the symbiote. Of course if you take out the symbiote you have no Venom. Catch 22.

I think the movie would have been great with the same storyline. Pete gets a bit of a fat head and gets cocky. We have Sandman and another villian. We have the exact same story arc with Harry. Pete and Harry fight, then join as heroes to defeat Sandman and the other villian. No black suit. I still enjoyed the movie, but the black suit story line was so awkward and rushed.

 

[omid17]

At least Spidey had to use his brain to beat Venom, all the other guys he pretty much just wailed on them with his fists.

Venom can't hold a movie on his own, he lacks the finesse and depth of guys like Norman or Harry.

exactly

 

[Uber Venom]

Either way, I think "3" would always have been mediocre. They used the 2 best villains already.

 

[>>>venom<<<]

i wouldnt say it would be a better movie w/o venom per say but i think the problem was that there was just too much going on in the movie. too many things intertwining together, to the point the plot or story lined suffered. i think the director did very well with all the pressure he was getting from fans, producers and the studio. i think the venom storyline wouldve been great if raimi didnt have to worry about time or budget constraints. plus, the pressure he was getting from producers and studio probably didnt help either.

 

[WalterKovacs]

woulda been better...story didnt need him much. hes a lousy villain.