Superman Returns Would this movie have been better, without the KID

[TheBlueWolf]

Would this movie have been better WITHOUT the kid??? YES, it would have been much better!!!

Seriously, the movie would have been 10X better without the distracting significant yet highly insignificant KID (and if you saw the movie, you will know what I mean by that)...hell, he was only a cheap gimmick/shock device...that COMPLETELY RUINS the movie!!!!!!! Much worse than anything in MUMMY RETURNS or LEGEND OF ZORRO, at least in those movies, the KID was a highly active and dynamic element of the story (even though they ruined their respective movies).

YES, I have seen the movie, I saw it last night at midnight (and I can confirm that the Spiderman III trailer was attached, which was awesome, but I am still worried on the amount of material in it). I didn't get home till about 3:30am...and then had to get up for work at 8am...that is dedication!!!

The FX was AWESOME, better than anything in X2 or X3...or Spiderman II...BUT, there were some things that just did not make sense. In some scenes, this Superman was powerful like he should be, and in other scenes, he was really under powered, like with the plane thing…and the missile thing. But the story was lackluster, and some things just did not make sense...like they were only thrown in because of the coolness factor. And yes, there IS a twist at the ending which does make this whole KID thing a cheap gimmick...he completely RUINED THE MOVIE!!! This movie with the kid is a 4 on a scale of 1-10.

Routh and the FX are the only good things about this moive. Believe it or not, Routh was awesome as Superman, though he did not sell me on Clark Kent. He is not a very good Clark...it is the way he delivers his lines, and he is just too stiff. When the promo pictures were released, I really did not like the Super Suit, but on screen, it is much better looking, and yes it is dark, but it is also very bright in some scenes, which made me happy. Because I want the colors to be very bright, and they were in various day light scenes.

On the other hand, Spacey sucked...too campy even if he was sadistic, he could have been sadistic without being campy! He should have been like how he was towards the end of Usual Suspects or even in K-PAX…he is a great actor and I think that his approach to LEX was the wrong way to go. He can do serious and sadistic…he was a bit screwed in the head in LA Confidential too being so hung up on Ego, he could have just been really great as a super serious LEX. I’m sorry to all the Smallville haters out there, but the incantation of LEX on Smallville, is one of the best ever! Serious, Evil, and a Billionaire…that is the way to go. OR Lex like how he was depicted on Superman The Animated Series (Not the JLU though, because towards the end, he was getting completely insane). Leave the campy crap out of my movie please! If I want to see the Joker, I’ll watch a Batman movie. Lois was okay…though, I think she was miscast…Kate did not sell me. To be honest, they should have went with an unknown…that would have been the best thing that they could have done with that IMHO. But yeah, the KID killed this movie for me. Without the STUPID KID...the movie would have been an easy 7 or 8 out of 10.

Oh on a side note, I thought that whole PIANO thing was just false rumors, and was not going to be in the movie???

They should have just left out the KID factor, and saved it for a sequel…

 

[Superman79]

Prepare to be flame broiled my friend.


Personally, I need to see it yet before I agree/disagree

 

[DorkyFresh]

i like the idea of Lois having a kid,

Spoiler

i just wish it wasn't Superman's kid.

 

[The Kid]

The Kid can help superman... be his super-sidekick fellas. Come on. shine lights on dark corners so you can see the whole picture.
And the kid is a new obstacle.

 

[dpm07]

Having the kid is lame, IMO. If they wanted to go with Superman at some point mentoring someone younger, they should have gone with Supergirl.

 

[Superman79]

The Kid can help superman... be his supersidekick fellas. Come on. shine lights on dark corners so you can see the whole picture.

PLEASE BE JOKING PLEASE BE JOKING PLEASE BE JOKING PLEASE BE JOKING PLEASE BE JOKINGPLEASE BE JOKINGPLEASE BE JOKING!!

 

[Bad Superman]

The Kid can help superman... be his supersidekick fellas. Come on. shine lights on dark corners so you can see the whole picture.
And the kid is a new obstacle.

Batman and Robin. . . we all know how that turned out.


cool cartoon.

 

[Uncanny]

They should have had "Supergirl" or "Batman" if Superman will ever need help in the later movies.

 

[The Kid]

PLEASE BE JOKING PLEASE BE JOKING PLEASE BE JOKING PLEASE BE JOKING PLEASE BE JOKINGPLEASE BE JOKINGPLEASE BE JOKING!!

Nevah.

I believe it could work.

 

[Cinemaman]

The kid's storyline is new and it has some logical ways of storytelling

 

[TheBlueWolf]

Just because something is NEW does not necessarily make it GOOD or the BEST way of doing things.

They should have left out the whole kid thing, and introduced the KID in a sequel...even have a Superboy spin off if they wanted, with a Krypto dog and all...that would be a gold mine for the WB execs, think of all the toys they could market...leave the kiddy stuff in a kid film...leave Superman to be serious and realistic...

If they wanted NEW they should have given Lois and Supes a GIRL instead of a BOY to put a new spin on the Super Girl mythos. ;-)

 

[Cinemaman]

Just because something is NEW does not necessarily make it GOOD or the BEST way of doing things.

They should have left out the whole kid thing, and introduced the KID in a sequel...even have a Superboy spin off if they wanted, with a Krypto dog and all...that would be a gold mine for the WB execs, think of all the toys they could market...leave the kiddy stuff in a kid film...leave Superman to be serious and realistic...

If they wanted NEW they should have given Lois and Supes a GIRL instead of a BOY to put a new spin on the Super Girl mythos. ;-)

Imagine if they didn't put the kid, then Clark and Lois's relationship would be boring and banal.

New was always something fresh.

And Superman is enough serious. If there is a kid, it doesn't mean Superman will be funny. The kid makes more serious aspects about his future.

Of course he will not be superhero. But then who he will be? This question is very intersting like the idea of the kid and it's development.

 

[Bad Superman]

Imagine if they didn't put the kid, then Clark and Lois's relationship would be boring and banal.

New was always something fresh.

Not neccesarily. It depends on how it's written.

 

[ProductionMusic]

Not neccesarily. It depends on how it's written.

The same can be said with the Kid situation

 

[Bad Superman]

The same can be said with the Kid situation

True and it seems there's a bunch (at this time) that don't like it.

 

[Superman79]

Imagine if they didn't put the kid, then Clark and Lois's relationship would be boring and banal.

New was always something fresh.

And Superman is enough serious. If there is a kid, it doesn't mean Superman will be funny. The kid makes more serious aspects about his future.

Of course he will not be superhero. But then who he will be? This question is very intersting like the idea of the kid and it's development.

I say have the kid have minimal or no superpowers pack him up and send him to Batman to be the new Robin. Bats' is better with kids

 

[DorkyFresh]

leave Superman to be serious and realistic...

what's more realistic than realizing you knocked up someone? that'll bring you to reality REAL quick.

 

[Cinemaman]

Not neccesarily. It depends on how it's written.

It isn't necessary, but it should be. It is more realistic aspect than you think.

We should see the movie to know did it work or not.

 

[Bad Superman]

I say have the kid have minimal or no superpowers pack him up and send him to Batman to be the new Robin. Bats' is better with kids

Shhhh. . . Don't give WB any ideas!

 

[Cinemaman]

I say have the kid have minimal or no superpowers pack him up and send him to Batman to be the new Robin. Bats' is better with kids

LOL You are right.

 

[Superman79]

Shhhh. . . Don't give WB any ideas!

Sorry...but hey, at least it'd be better than Super-Lad the sidekick

 

[Bad Superman]

It isn't necessary, but it should be. It is more realistic aspect than you think.

We should see the movie to know did it work or not.

Hey, I'm just going with what other posters that have watched it have written.

 

[ProductionMusic]

True and it seems there's a bunch (at this time) that don't like it.

& they should see the Movie first before 100 % complaining. Sure its one thing to have issues but to fully decide on things like not seeing the Movie based on Pictures & the Novel which always turns out A HELL OF ALOT MORE DIFFERENT THEN THE MOVIE is silly but hey w/e floats your boat. Maybe if those that hate what they see saw the Movie first before giving this Movie such a hard time like they are now they would be able to come up with some real arguments & not based on soemthing like the Novel which will always be different in many ways then what we get in the Movie. Those simply choosing to not like it now are basically just immature & can not accept change & should give this Movie a fair chance before fully being able to judge it

 

[NateGray]

Would this movie have been better WITHOUT the kid??? YES, it would have been much better!!!

Seriously, the movie would have been 10X better without the distracting significant yet highly insignificant KID (and if you saw the movie, you will know what I mean by that)...hell, he was only a cheap gimmick/shock device...that COMPLETELY RUINS the movie!!!!!!! Much worse than anything in MUMMY RETURNS or LEGEND OF ZORRO, at least in those movies, the KID was a highly active and dynamic element of the story (even though they ruined their respective movies).

YES, I have seen the movie, I saw it last night at midnight (and I can confirm that the Spiderman III trailer was attached, which was awesome, but I am still worried on the amount of material in it). I didn't get home till about 3:30am...and then had to get up for work at 8am...that is dedication!!!

The FX was AWESOME, better than anything in X2 or X3...or Spiderman II...BUT, there were some things that just did not make sense. In some scenes, this Superman was powerful like he should be, and in other scenes, he was really under powered, like with the plane thing…and the missile thing. But the story was lackluster, and some things just did not make sense...like they were only thrown in because of the coolness factor. And yes, there IS a twist at the ending which does make this whole KID thing a cheap gimmick...he completely RUINED THE MOVIE!!! This movie with the kid is a 4 on a scale of 1-10.

Routh and the FX are the only good things about this moive. Believe it or not, Routh was awesome as Superman, though he did not sell me on Clark Kent. He is not a very good Clark...it is the way he delivers his lines, and he is just too stiff. When the promo pictures were released, I really did not like the Super Suit, but on screen, it is much better looking, and yes it is dark, but it is also very bright in some scenes, which made me happy. Because I want the colors to be very bright, and they were in various day light scenes.

On the other hand, Spacey sucked...too campy even if he was sadistic, he could have been sadistic without being campy! He should have been like how he was towards the end of Usual Suspects or even in K-PAX…he is a great actor and I think that his approach to LEX was the wrong way to go. He can do serious and sadistic…he was a bit screwed in the head in LA Confidential too being so hung up on Ego, he could have just been really great as a super serious LEX. I’m sorry to all the Smallville haters out there, but the incantation of LEX on Smallville, is one of the best ever! Serious, Evil, and a Billionaire…that is the way to go. OR Lex like how he was depicted on Superman The Animated Series (Not the JLU though, because towards the end, he was getting completely insane). Leave the campy crap out of my movie please! If I want to see the Joker, I’ll watch a Batman movie. Lois was okay…though, I think she was miscast…Kate did not sell me. To be honest, they should have went with an unknown…that would have been the best thing that they could have done with that IMHO. But yeah, the KID killed this movie for me. Without the STUPID KID...the movie would have been an easy 7 or 8 out of 10.

Oh on a side note, I thought that whole PIANO thing was just false rumors, and was not going to be in the movie???

They should have just left out the KID factor, and saved it for a sequel…

This has been one of my biggest concerns regarding the movie and I have been flamed almost non stop when I post anything about it.
Another person who reviewed the movie said he is explained well enough (my biggest concern regarding him thanks Mentok) but I also have fears he will detract from the overall movie.
I will have to see it to say for sure but this review parrots my other fears about the movie and him being added(I personally do not like the idea of superman having a kid at all much less in the first movie again thats just my opinion) and well once I have seen it I will post a review of how I feel the overall movie was and how the kid part played out for me.

 

[Bad Superman]

& they should see the Movie first before 100 % complaining. Sure its one thing to have issues but to fully decide on things like not seeing the Movie based on Pictures & the Novel which always turns out A HELL OF ALOT MORE DIFFERENT THEN THE MOVIE is silly but hey w/e floats your boat. Maybe if those that hate what they see saw the Movie first before giving this Movie such a hard time like they are now they would be able to come up with some real arguments & not based on soemthing like the Novel which will always be different in many ways then what we get in the Movie. Those simply choosing to not like it now are basically just immature & can not accept change & should give this Movie a fair chance before fully being able to judge it

They have seen the film. You better chill out before you start a war with your antangonizing tone.