Superman Returns Would You Prefer Confirmed Sequel OR Confirmed Restart

[LexCorp]

Yup!

I can not believe that the vote is split like that

 

[mego joe]

I can not believe that the vote is split like that

What do you mean?

My own sensibilities tell me that Reboot should be in the lead by far, but there is just no accounting for taste. Remember some folks think that SR actually honored the character instead of laying waste to the content of his character.

On the other hand, it does seems to fairly accurately reflect the verbalized opinions on the board.

 

[LexCorp]

What do you mean?

My own sensibilities tell me that Reboot should be in the lead by far, but there is just no accounting for taste. Remember some folks think that SR actually honored the character instead of laying waste to the content of his character.

On the other hand, it does seems to fairly accurately reflect the verbalized opinions on the board.

I mean the same thing - SR I thought would have called for the favour of a reboot.

But a split mean almost as much as no poll at all.

 

[mego joe]

I mean the same thing - SR I thought would have called for the favour of a reboot.

But a split mean almost as much as no poll at all.

To me it means a significant number of fans dislike SR to the point that most likely would not support a sequel to SR. To me this sounds like bad news for WB and SInger. I think it's this response which slowed down the development of a sequel from the beginning. It's not just this website, but others, mixed reviews, no overt praise from comic professionals of significance, and I'm sure letters to WB.

WB knows that the huge numbers from a comic book property come from a product that hits a home run with general audience and fans alike. It gives each segment of demographic what it wants in said film. It's pretty clear that SR didn't do this. Even almost immediately after it's release Singer was back-peddling with excuses that he had to re-intro the character first, but the NEXT film would be more action packed and he would go "Wrath of Khan."

The biggest thing WB has to determine is WHY didn't SR hit that home run.
Action?
Story?
Characterizaton?
Editing?
Vision?
Directing?

It's no one thing. The different segments of the demograpic responded to different elements. The fact is they all played a part in why SR limped to it's final Box Office total.

To me this poll says, to really hit the home run with the fans a sequel or reboot has to address all the above concerns in some way.

Also, WB knows that if the fans love it they will give it good word of mouth and send all their non-comic book nerd friends and family out to see it. But if the fans think it stinks, they will destroy it. That's pretty much what happened to SR. That segment of fan that didn't like SR has given it bad word of mouth to everyone he/ she knows.

The bottom line is this. About 1/2 the fans favor dropping the SR-verse entirely. That cannot be encouraging to WB. I think it will take more effort to right the ship than to reboot. A direct sequel requires dealing with certain storylines that were problematic to the fans and limits what can come next to an extent, a reboot gives the freedom to do any Superman story without expectations of storylines.

 

[LexCorp]

I agree if half the fans want a new take on Superman then they should get it.

The SR that we have now does not seem to inspire enough hype - not like his counter part Batamn does.

 

[nintendo nerd]

I agree if half the fans want a new take on Superman then they should get it.

The SR that we have now does not seem to inspire enough hype - not like his counter part Batamn does.

Still, more people watched SR than BB.

 

[batman44]

Still, more people watched SR than BB.

Maybe, but it appears that BB was liked more.

 

[mego joe]

Still, more people watched SR than BB.

That's a demographic thing though. Superman has an accessibility that Batman doesn't. By that fact alone it's going to have a different draw.

 

[mego joe]

Maybe, but it appears that BB was liked more.

And that's what WB has to figure out, why SR was not liked as much.

 

[LexCorp]

Still, more people watched SR than BB.

In what multiverse?

 

[batman44]

In what multiverse?

He's right. Worldwide SR beat BB, though it is interesting that BB beat out SR in the domestic box office.

 

[LexCorp]

He's right. Worldwide SR beat BB, though it is interesting that BB beat out SR in the domestic box office.

Well world wide Superman is more reconisged. That would explian the global response.

 

[cronosred]

I would rather have a reboot for a movie that doesn't confuse itself with movies that were made 20 years ago.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I think the problem is not humanizing Superman. It is that they did it in the wrong way. Superman for all seasons, for example, humanizes Superman waaay more than SR and is light years a better representation of Superman than SR will ever be.

My vote is Reboot.

 

[cronosred]

I think the problem is not humanizing Superman. It is that they did it in the wrong way. Superman for all seasons, for example, humanizes Superman waaay more than SR and is light years a better representation of Superman than SR will ever be.

My vote is Reboot.

For me almost everything that happend in this movie felt like they did it the wrong way. A vague (not clear,not definite or exact, not distinct) sequel that feels like a sequel but it supposedly isn't, Lex's stealing the crystals could have went any number of ways (robots,weapons,Metallo,Braniac) but they picked the worst one (land development), Superman being a father it's a fine idea but again they went the wrong way with it (Superman is away his first 5 years of life, when he finds out about him instead of having a decent talk with Lois about it all he says is that he'll be around, plus we never find out if anyone knew Richard wasn't the biological father in the first place.
Reboot please!!!

 

[LexCorp]

For me almost everything that happend in this movie felt like they did it the wrong way. A vague (not clear,not definite or exact, not distinct) sequel that feels like a sequel but it supposedly isn't, Lex's stealing the crystals could have went any number of ways (robots,weapons,Metallo,Braniac) but they picked the worst one (land development), Superman being a father it's a fine idea but again they went the wrong way with it (Superman is away his first 5 years of life, when he finds out about him instead of having a decent talk with Lois about it all he says is that he'll be around, plus we never find out if anyone knew Richard wasn't the biological father in the first place.
Reboot please!!!

Indeed

Correct sir

 

[SuperDaniel]

For me almost everything that happend in this movie felt like they did it the wrong way. A vague (not clear,not definite or exact, not distinct) sequel that feels like a sequel but it supposedly isn't, Lex's stealing the crystals could have went any number of ways (robots,weapons,Metallo,Braniac) but they picked the worst one (land development), Superman being a father it's a fine idea but again they went the wrong way with it (Superman is away his first 5 years of life, when he finds out about him instead of having a decent talk with Lois about it all he says is that he'll be around, plus we never find out if anyone knew Richard wasn't the biological father in the first place.
Reboot please!!!

Yeah...i didnt want to get in details again. I had endless debates in this board.

 

[charl_huntress]

Reboot!!!! Reboot!!!! Reboot!!!! And throw Singer to a pack of trannies while you're at it.

 

[Super Kal]

well, I wouldn't put it in those terms... but yeah, a reboot is needed.

 

[El Payaso]

Reboot.Superman Returns just showed fans that WB is afraid to let go of Donner and Reeve`s classic Superman and Superman II movies.Do something new.

Afraid? You said it; it's classic. I could live totally happy with no Donner's references (including Williams' theme) but the saying "If it's not broken" counts here also. Was WB afraid to let go Batman's black armored suit from Burton's franchise? Or did they think it worked so well that it needn't to be changed?

At the same time, the Superman's son issue is quite new from the Donnerverse where no dramatic change to the characters' lives was allowed to endure.

To me it means a significant number of fans dislike SR to the point that most likely would not support a sequel to SR. To me this sounds like bad news for WB and SInger. I think it's this response which slowed down the development of a sequel from the beginning. It's not just this website, but others, mixed reviews, no overt praise from comic professionals of significance, and I'm sure letters to WB.

I wouldn't call 66 people a "significant number" to base a huge project like this on.

Then, studios know that only a little percentage of the audience are fans.

The reviews were mostly positive (77%) and comics professionals' opinions are just like any other person's opinions. I'd rather hear a film expert opinion since movies are not comic books.

That's a demographic thing though. Superman has an accessibility that Batman doesn't. By that fact alone it's going to have a different draw.

Are you saying that worldwide there are more Superman fans than Batman fans?

Other than that, kids seems to know Batman and Superman the same.

In what multiverse?

Planet Earth.

He's right. Worldwide SR beat BB, though it is interesting that BB beat out SR in the domestic box office.

That is, 1 country. But how much more it was? 200,081,192 205,343,774

5 millions only.

 

[batman44]

That is, 1 country. But how much more it was? 200,081,192 205,343,774

5 millions only.

Okay, it still beat it out, so what if it was only 5million I wasn't trying to come as if BB beat out SR by this large number if that is what you're thinkng. Just pointing out the fact.

 

[superbaby]

Reboot!!!! Reboot!!!! Reboot!!!! And throw Singer to a pack of trannies while you're at it.

agree.
saw the hulk reboot trailer. and it was damn good. i think it's gonna do great as the story seems good and hulk is the hero saving the day now.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The Hulk re-boot looks extremely poor IMO, i have read the script, and it takes so many departures from the comics its unbelievable.

So definately a Superman sequel for me with Routh and Singer, though i could live if Singer left and Routh stayed.

 

[stargazer]

Afraid? You said it; it's classic. I could live totally happy with no Donner's references (including Williams' theme) but the saying "If it's not broken" counts here also. Was WB afraid to let go Batman's black armored suit from Burton's franchise? Or did they think it worked so well that it needn't to be changed?
At the same time, the Superman's son issue is quite new from the Donnerverse where no dramatic change to the characters' lives was allowed to endure.



I wouldn't call 66 people a "significant number" to base a huge project like this on.

Then, studios know that only a little percentage of the audience are fans.

The reviews were mostly positive (77%) and comics professionals' opinions are just like any other person's opinions. I'd rather hear a film expert opinion since movies are not comic books.



Are you saying that worldwide there are more Superman fans than Batman fans?

Other than that, kids seems to know Batman and Superman the same.



Planet Earth.



That is, 1 country. But how much more it was? 200,081,192 205,343,774

5 millions only.

Well said, buddy.

Okay, it still beat it out, so what if it was only 5million I wasn't trying to come as if BB beat out SR by this large number if that is what you're thinkng. Just pointing out the fact.

Also remember that BB stayed on theaters longer than SR, and BB didn't have a jugernaut such as Pirates ( being a sequel from a successful movie) to compete with.

BB 142 days
SR 128 days

 

[SFII]

as long as the story is good, i'm in. but the story of Superman Returns sucked. now it seems like a big mess with that damn kid in the mix.