Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix Skepticism Thread

Yea and that was accomplished with the first two films it does not need to be rehashed every movie and thats not a good enough reason to keep bringing Magneto into every movie. That wasnt the only storyline the comics focused on so the films need to change it up or it can be mentioned without him having a prominent role in the movies. As I said he isnt the only villain the XMen have that have different views with Xavier so its just no excuse. I do agree as team the XMen have alot to offer that dynamic different memebers have which is why I want Ororo/Jean sisterly bond is touched on as well as them continue to develop the relationship between Scott and Jean. Make the audience invest in this group as a family.

Absolutely! And this is why I'm quite irritated by the new series THE GIFTED focusing on this dull family dynamic of a traditional family when the X-Men are actually about outcasts coming together to build their own families. The X-Men idea of family is a queer one. I really hope this series will get this right and will stop ASAP with promoting this family non-sense in posters!!

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I also hope we can finally develop other X-Men! But I also do not have a problem with many of the things that have been developed in the last couple of years. I love X1, X2, First Class, Days of Future Past, and Logan. These are amazing movies! I also don't share the common anger over Mystique...

I find Magneto so bloody compelling. Seeing Magneto finally become ruler of Genosha is something I really want to experience on screen. It does not have to happen next year already but developing his character further and further is just so much fun for me (if they do not repeat themselves again like they have done in "X:A"). However, yes I agree that they can make him part of the choir now. We know who Magneto is. Not need to give him more time than necessary. It is time for other characters to shine but maybe they can shine while Magneto starts a mutant revolution in Genosha?!?! Storm and Magneto together freeing enslaved mutants maybe? ;-)
In the movies you mentioned above not many got developed other than Xavier,Magneto,Wolverine,Raven and ill say Rogue was given something in the first two movies. What about the other XMen thats just not right 3 of the ones I mentioned shoud've been replaced with core XMen. I dont hate Mystique, I dislike Raven there is a maor difference I preferred Mystique in the OT not what they are doing with Raven in the FC. I understand you like Magneto and if they want to explore that then they should do his own movie this is XMen then can choose some other stories to focus on that do not involve Magneto but were still great nonetheless.
I don't disagree, but a lot of fans (including me) wanted to see more Fassbender after First Class set him up. He worked really well in DOFP, but not in Apocalypse (imo of course). I agree that they need to step back now.
I understand that some fans wanted to see that but people want to see the actual XMen more not only Fassbender or else his box office solo would match the XMovies. Its old and stale now and they really need to let it go. As I said no excuses.
 
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The first trilogy hinted that Xavier and Magneto had a complicated and interesting history together. I don't fault the filmmakers for filling this out and it worked wonderfully in First Class and DOFP. Apocalypse was a transition movie was just blah throughout. Hopefully that transition is over now.

Why do I get the feeling that the movie is going to start with Genosha already established with Magneto leading. That would be a missed opportunity.
Thats all that it needs to be if you want it explored they can do that in a solo film this is the XMen not Magento. It doesnt need to be explored how about we focus on the new XMen and establishing them. As I said 6 movies of that whether you want it fleshed out or not is more than enough the focus no longer should be there.
Absolutely! And this is why I'm quite irritated by the new series THE GIFTED focusing on this dull family dynamic of a traditional family when the X-Men are actually about outcasts coming together to build their own families. The X-Men idea of family is a queer one. I really hope this series will get this right and will stop ASAP with promoting this family non-sense in posters!!

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I dont care much about the Gifted tv show I likely wont check it out just as I didnt for Legion. I do agree the movies need to explore the family angle more how the world hates them but they have each others back and real family should.
 
X1 and especially X2 has a great balance to showcase a large ensemble. I guess if Singer wouldn't have left for X3 we would have already gotten the X-Men everybody is wishing for...
 
X1 and especially X2 has a great balance to showcase a large ensemble. I guess if Singer wouldn't have left for X3 we would have already gotten the X-Men everybody is wishing for...
No im glad Singer left, I personally wanted fresh blood and new ideas for the franchise. He did an amazing job with Xavier,Magneto,Wolverine but the focus was squarely on Wolverine. Singer did nothing with Storm character wise she was just there as a token and he completely screwed over Cyclops being outshined by Wolverine and not portraying his leadership qualities. So no I prefered someone new onboard to tackle the films. I will admit X2 and Dofp were both great films though.
 
There is no director in the universe that I wish more success than Singer. Really, I want him to direct a lot critical and box office success so he can finally move on from the X-Men franchise. Right now, it seems like X-Men is all he has.

About Fassbender, I love him as Eric. And Eric is one of the most fascinating characters I know. But I don't think he is essential for the X-Men movies. I certainly think he doesn't need to be in every movie. X-Men have a lot of villains and a lot of stories to tell. Dark Phoenix was the best time to get a break from him.

Now I'm all for a Brotherhood movie with Fassbender in it. Come on, DC made Suicide Squad, Sony want Sinister Six. Why not Brotherhood? I'd love it.
 
The Gifted poster looks extra lame especially none of those characters shown in the poster are from the comics. They should have at least included Polaris, Thunderbird and Blink some where in the poster. Fail.
 
Going to give Gifted a shot but I'm really not into the footage I've seen so far. It looks pretty terrible, all underwhelming TV set-pieces and melodrama. It's Singer though so surely he'll bring something to this, and Legion was fantastic. I'm still hoping a Patrick Stewart appearance happens eventually.

Is Captain Marvel gonna do the 90's better? Probably. I wonder what effect this rival might have on Fox moving forward (if any). I'm rooting for the time jumps to end, purely for my own sanity.
 
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I don't think it will be a big deal. So many movies take places in different decades.

I doubt Captain Marvel will stay in the past and it will just be this one film and then she'll be in Avengers 4. X-Men has this gimmick of jumping decades that I think is very specific to only them. But yeah, I have a feeling CM will have more of a legit reason of taking place there when all is said in done, but who knows. Not much is known there.

Apocalypse didn't really make much use of the 80s outside of really basic things. Something like Stranger Things or Adventureland makes that decade feel much more like it was used for a reason so I think it's more about the similarities of the plot. Like say comparing Wonder Woman with The First Avenger. That comparison is hard to avoid. Since XMDP and CM both deal with Alienc races plus the 90s maybe there could be some other things going on.
 
Going to give Gifted a shot but I'm really not into the footage I've seen so far. It looks pretty terrible, all underwhelming TV set-pieces and melodrama.
+1. It looks cheap (those Polaris effects in the last trailer look astonishingly bad) and generic, why they didn't greenlight a project on the many other existing X-Titles and chose this instead is beyond me.
 
Going to give Gifted a shot but I'm really not into the footage I've seen so far. It looks pretty terrible, all underwhelming TV set-pieces and melodrama. It's Singer though so surely he'll bring something to this, and Legion was fantastic. I'm still hoping a Patrick Stewart appearance happens eventually.

Is Captain Marvel gonna do the 90's better? Probably. I wonder what effect this rival might have on Fox moving forward (if any). I'm rooting for the time jumps to end, purely for my own sanity.
Ill give it a shot but honestly I have zero interest in this gifted show it just looks boring. Im not a fan of the Singerverse I dont like his vision. Polaris powers looked ok in the trailer but not so much and im not a fan of them putting streaks in peoples hair.
The Cpt Marvel question was one of mine as well being that both films take place in that time i was wondering if they may interwine but I know thats wishful thinking lol. I have no interest in that movie either though, lets hope the time jumps stop because its getting annoying and lost its appeal.
There is no director in the universe that I wish more success than Singer. Really, I want him to direct a lot critical and box office success so he can finally move on from the X-Men franchise. Right now, it seems like X-Men is all he has.

About Fassbender, I love him as Eric. And Eric is one of the most fascinating characters I know. But I don't think he is essential for the X-Men movies. I certainly think he doesn't need to be in every movie. X-Men have a lot of villains and a lot of stories to tell. Dark Phoenix was the best time to get a break from him.

Now I'm all for a Brotherhood movie with Fassbender in it. Come on, DC made Suicide Squad, Sony want Sinister Six. Why not Brotherhood? I'd love it.
Yes to all of this.
 
Absolutely! And this is why I'm quite irritated by the new series THE GIFTED focusing on this dull family dynamic of a traditional family when the X-Men are actually about outcasts coming together to build their own families. The X-Men idea of family is a queer one. I really hope this series will get this right and will stop ASAP with promoting this family non-sense in posters!!
Agreed 100%. The movies need to get weirder and freakier and redefine beautiful and normal. The nuclear family couldn't be further from the spirit of the X-men comics. Yet this is a movie franchise that has featured a bisexual character (Mystique) 6 times without a hint to her queerness (or her greatest love, Destiny).

These movies (and this genre) are so behind but I expect so much from the X-men.
 
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Just like Captain America and Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel will just be an origin story set in the past and she is appearing in avenger movies which are set in the present.

Now why in the world should the X-Men continue to stay in the past for how many films now? Eyes rolling.
 
Agreed 100%. The movies need to get weirder and freakier and redefine beautiful and normal. The nuclear family couldn't be further from the spirit of the X-men comics. Yet this is a movie franchise that has featured a bisexual character (Mystique) 6 times without a hint to her queerness (or her greatest love, Destiny).

These movies (and this genre) are so behind but I expect so much from the X-men.
i really wish we could get Destiny in a movie to be able to introduce her diaries.
 
This movie is gonna be a huge mess isn't it? :( lol


Also I would love for Destiny to be introduced and end up with Raven.
 
This movie is gonna be a huge mess isn't it? :( lol


Also I would love for Destiny to be introduced and end up with Raven.
Idk yet if it will be a huge mess or not until I see a bit more but they seem to going the route of Logan by not revealing anything until it finished and ready to come out. The difference is though that Logan was critically well received so if DP is crap keeping everything a secret really isnt going to make it any better.
 
This movie is gonna be a huge mess isn't it? :( lol


Also I would love for Destiny to be introduced and end up with Raven.

This will be the Pirates 5 and Transformers 5 of 2018. A sequel to a bad film, that is expectedly turned out to be bad too. And at the box office, a box office underperformer. Even Apes 3 is underperforming this year despite the good reception of the film and its predecessor. Now what about Dark Phoenix, especially there's New Mutants, Deadpool 2, Legion and The Gifted already giving the public their mutant dose. Not to mention, the other cb films coming out next year. The X-Men isn't that special anymore with these spin offs and the other fresh franchises, plus the reception of it would just bury it more.
 
This will be the Pirates 5 and Transformers 5 of 2018. A sequel to a bad film, that is expectedly turned out to be bad too. And at the box office, a box office underperformer. Even Apes 3 is underperforming this year despite the good reception of the film and its predecessor. Now what about Dark Phoenix, especially there's New Mutants, Deadpool 2, Legion and The Gifted already giving the public their mutant dose. Not to mention, the other cb films coming out next year. The X-Men isn't that special anymore with these spin offs and the other fresh franchises, plus the reception of it would just bury it more.

I have exactly the same feeling about Dark Phoenix after all these "old" franchises keep underperforming. They should have find a way to make the X-Men young, fresh, and new. But Kinberg really does not seem to be the right guy for the job of re-inventing the franchise.

A horribly-bad movie like Suicide Squad shows how a movie with a total lack of substance can still be successful when the character-designs and marketing is on point. I doubt that Kinberg can pull that off and make the X-Men "cool again".

but in the end we had a great run for 17 years and FOX gave us some of the greatest superhero movies of all time with X2, Days of Future Past and Logan. That's pretty impressive.
 
noone knows much about dark phoenix and too many people are already declaring it a bomb who needs haters with some of these so called fans:whatever:

dawn of planet of the apes box office is total result of crowded field In july.pirates is result people don't want to see films with johnny depp.

dark phoenix moved out of crowded summer release date which some around here used to want.

people are ignoring fact foregin box office is fast becoming even mor einportant to studios.it's why they care so much on films playing in china.it's why no major studio will ever again do film with critices china or has chinese bad guy.

i know full well the doom and gloom posters here eather want fox to give it to disney or want fox to reboot x-men as supporting characters in deadpool franchise and retcon deadpool as first installment of deadpool & X-men franchise.all those moaning people used to do about wolverine and they want
to do same thing with deadpool:whatever:

the problem is the fox and x-men haters here are making me who is huge
skeptic of kinberg as director look like Kinberg defender.

and have people here actully read the comics? in 1980's and 1990;s comcis had plenty of darkness and seriousness to them.the prejudice allegory wasn't created for films.in comics they even had allegary for aids with legacy virus.

when i hear about cable being funny in deadpool 2 i am like in comics cable and funny aren't usualy 2 words that go together.but i am sure some here
will be fine as long as deadpool in comic accurate outfit and it's r rated MCU lite.

those who called spider-man homecoming so great and yet continue to crap on every fox x film not deadpool,and yes there are those who crap on x2,dofp and logan,don't have leg to stand on,on fiathfulmess moaning anymore.

Dark phoenix is not a brand new franchise.it's part of exsisting franchise.it's sequel to fc,1973 parts of DOFP,and Apocalypse.people are ignoring they introduced more comic booky outfits in apocalypse.while they may not be exactly the same outfits as in apocalypse with new disgner and new director very doudtful they won't have colorful costumes.
 
noone knows much about dark phoenix and too many people are already declaring it a bomb who needs haters with some of these so called fans:whatever:

dawn of planet of the apes box office is total result of crowded field In july.pirates is result people don't want to see films with johnny depp.

dark phoenix moved out of crowded summer release date which some around here used to want.

people are ignoring fact foregin box office is fast becoming even mor einportant to studios.it's why they care so much on films playing in china.it's why no major studio will ever again do film with critices china or has chinese bad guy.

i know full well the doom and gloom posters here eather want fox to give it to disney or want fox to reboot x-men as supporting characters in deadpool franchise and retcon deadpool as first installment of deadpool & X-men franchise.all those moaning people used to do about wolverine and they want
to do same thing with deadpool:whatever:

the problem is the fox and x-men haters here are making me who is huge
skeptic of kinberg as director look like Kinberg defender.

and have people here actully read the comics? in 1980's and 1990;s comcis had plenty of darkness and seriousness to them.the prejudice allegory wasn't created for films.in comics they even had allegary for aids with legacy virus.

when i hear about cable being funny in deadpool 2 i am like in comics cable and funny aren't usualy 2 words that go together.but i am sure some here
will be fine as long as deadpool in comic accurate outfit and it's r rated MCU lite.

those who called spider-man homecoming so great and yet continue to crap on every fox x film not deadpool,and yes there are those who crap on x2,dofp and logan,don't have leg to stand on,on fiathfulmess moaning anymore.

Dark phoenix is not a brand new franchise.it's part of exsisting franchise.it's sequel to fc,1973 parts of DOFP,and Apocalypse.people are ignoring they introduced more comic booky outfits in apocalypse.while they may not be exactly the same outfits as in apocalypse with new disgner and new director very doudtful they won't have colorful costumes.

People are so confusing here. First they didn't want x-men to release in the summer now they say it'll be its downfall because it's not. Then they said too much wolverine, now they say the series won't survive without him. Then they say they need to be more fantastical and less grounded, now they say it's not gonna work. Then they said they want new people on board and a different director and now that's not good enough. Then they say they want present day but logan messes it all up.

Then what do they want? Then when some of us point this flip flopping out they claim we're causing trouble or "flipping out". Do they even know what they want? Excuse us for not being so sinister in our thinking 24/7. I have reservations about some things too but man..........and like you said, all THIS when we know extremely little. Dang, just wait.
 
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Well this is the thread to be skeptical about this film and air it all out and not get criticized for it.
 
Then they said they want new people on board and a different director and now that's not good enough.
Are you serious? Written, Produced and Directed by Simon Kinberg is "new people on board"?
 
Are you serious? Written, Produced and Directed by Simon Kinberg is "new people on board"?


Did people not say that they wanted bryan singer out and SOMEONE ELSE to direct it? Yes or no?

Well, you people got your wish. It's just not exactly what you were wishing for. Funny how ya prayers get answered sometimes, huh?
 

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