Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix Skepticism Thread

[RalphieRandy]

I do understand what your saying. I feel Fox knew what people meant if they did indeed hear people speaking of someone new that they meant someone who has never touched the movies or worked on them lol there being shady. I dont always express my concern for this movie but they are there Im just seeing what that first trailer looks like and how the movie is when it comes back hoping for the best. Im hopeful that it all works out and we get a great movie.

And that's what I'm waiting for, also. When we first see things, then I'll form more opinions. But I'm not going to automatically start throwing my hands up and screaming that everything is doomed off of little to no info yet months and months before we even see anything.

 

[X-Maniac]

I do understand what your saying. I feel Fox knew what people meant if they did indeed hear people speaking of someone new that they meant someone who has never touched the movies or worked on them lol there being shady. I dont always express my concern for this movie but they are there Im just seeing what that first trailer looks like and how the movie is when it comes back hoping for the best. Im hopeful that it all works out and we get a great movie.

I agree. I'm crossing fingers, toes, etc, for a good movie. But I have worries that there will be some cheesy dialogue or some other weak element in there. We know that Kinberg alone is responsible for the dialogue and, in fact, all the writing. Fingers crossed that any actor asked to say anything cheesy will question it, ask to try other lines and takes, and give the editing dept something to work with!

We know it was Singer who came up with the Quicksilver sequence to rescue Magneto (Kinberg had written in Juggernaut) and also the stadium drop on the White House (Kinberg had Mags flinging the Lincoln memorial).

I think I'd be more comfortable with Tim Miller directing. That man can make amazing use of a small budget and deliver great action and FX. But instead he's been jettisoned from the franchise.

 

[BeholdMe]

And that's what I'm waiting for, also. When we first see things, then I'll form more opinions. But I'm not going to automatically start throwing my hands up and screaming that everything is doomed off of little to no info yet months and months before we even see anything.

I agree though I will admit some of the rumors I heard I did get really nervous but in the long run im withholding final judgement until I finally see something just keeping my expectations low with the possibility of being surprised.. That first trailer is going to be so anticipated and I do look forward to seeing it.

I agree. I'm crossing fingers, toes, etc, for a good movie. But I have worries that there will be some cheesy dialogue or some other weak element in there. We know that Kinberg alone is responsible for the dialogue and, in fact, all the writing. Fingers crossed that any actor asked to say anything cheesy will question it, ask to try other lines and takes, and give the editing dept something to work with!

We know it was Singer who came up with the Quicksilver sequence to rescue Magneto (Kinberg had written in Juggernaut) and also the stadium drop on the White House (Kinberg had Mags flinging the Lincoln memorial).

I think I'd be more comfortable with Tim Miller directing. That man can make amazing use of a small budget and deliver great action and FX. But instead he's been jettisoned from the franchise.

Same here though I feel like all the movies had cheesy dialogue. I hope thats not the case a little bit is fine but to much is distracting. I do prefer QS over Juggernaut but seeing Mags throw the Lincoln memorial wouldve been cool to see. Im with you though hoping for the best with this movie, I just cant wait to see something from the movie.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Welp, fox didn't pick up on that.

they want a reboot with noone involved with film previously.and set in present so they can interact with deadpool and films to be like deadpool.

also according to them everyone except the deadpool team are hacks.

i am no fan of giving kinberg the director's chair.but the haters who post here make me look like a supporter.

 

[RalphieRandy]

I agree though I will admit some of the rumors I heard I did get really nervous but in the long run im withholding final judgement until I finally see something just keeping my expectations low with the possibility of being surprised.. That first trailer is going to be so anticipated and I do look forward to seeing it.

Same here though I feel like all the movies had cheesy dialogue. I hope thats not the case a little bit is fine but to much is distracting. I do prefer QS over Juggernaut but seeing Mags throw the Lincoln memorial wouldve been cool to see. Im with you though hoping for the best with this movie, I just cant wait to see something from the movie.

Personally, I've always liked seeing concept art from different movies. I like seeing the stuff we got and the stuff we could have gotten. I'd be ok with some of that within the next couple of weeks or months.

 

[RalphieRandy]

they want a reboot with noone involved with film previously.and set in present so they can interact with deadpool and films to be like deadpool.

also according to them everyone except the deadpool team are hacks.

i am no fan of giving kinberg the director's chair.but the haters who post here make me look like a supporter.

Lol!!! Stranger things have happened. He may be a pretty good director but an average writer. We won't know until we see some stuff. If things are going be epically disastrous like some people claim--and many hope--I hope it's not like fantastic 4 where the studio takes over and makes things worse. But I'm not gonna sit and say it sucks before even having anything to legitimately prove it's going to suck either.

 

[BeholdMe]

they want a reboot with noone involved with film previously.and set in present so they can interact with deadpool and films to be like deadpool.

also according to them everyone except the deadpool team are hacks.

i am no fan of giving kinberg the director's chair.but the haters who post here make me look like a supporter.

Who is this THEY you speak off?

Personally, I've always liked seeing concept art from different movies. I like seeing the stuff we got and the stuff we could have gotten. I'd be ok with some of that within the next couple of weeks or months.

I actually would love to see some concept art just to see what direction they are heading in. I enjoy seeing what they were considering. Lets keep our fingers crossed we get something like that sometime soon.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Lol!!! Stranger things have happened. He may be a pretty good director but an average writer. We won't know until we see some stuff. If things are going be epically disastrous like some people claim--and many hope--I hope it's not like fantastic 4 where the studio takes over and makes things worse. But I'm not gonna sit and say it sucks before even having anything to legitimately prove it's going to suck either.

most of us can agree kinberg as director is very puzzling move.yeah i get it's studio politics and it isn't first time a studio allows a writer or producer or actor in director chair for a franchise film.but some are like it is sure bomb and disaster probaly because they want that.as for me as x-men fan i want this to be better than i expect.

besides Kinberg as director this isn't much to say it will be disaster.

there is little information on this film as of yet.

 

[Mad Ones]

I'm scared because Jean is my favourite comic book character and the Dark Phoenix Saga is one of comics' best stories. I don't want to see them do another bad job adapting it. And I'm even more scared because we finally have a team of X-men again. If Kinberg does a lousy job, I don't want Fox to think audiences have no interest in this team and put all their efforts into spinoffs or solos.

BUT I'm forcing myself to be optimistic until we actually see something. If Kinberg is a talentless hack, then I'm praying to the Bright Lady that this movie is a fluke and turns out.

 

[kineticist]

I'm scared because Jean is my favourite comic book character and the Dark Phoenix Saga is one of comics' best stories. I don't want to see them do another bad job adapting it. And I'm even more scared because we finally have a team of X-men again. If Kinberg does a lousy job, I don't want Fox to think audiences have no interest in this team and put all their efforts into spinoffs or solos.

BUT I'm forcing myself to be optimistic until we actually see something. If Kinberg is a talentless hack, then I'm praying to the Bright Lady that this movie is a fluke and turns out.

Yes!! All this! haha I always agree with the stuff you have to say

 

[Lip]

And I'm even more scared because we finally have a team of X-men again. If Kinberg does a lousy job, I don't want Fox to think audiences have no interest in this team and put all their efforts into spinoffs or solos.

I think Singer, Kinberg, LSD and this creative team did a fantastic job with Logan, Eric and Charles. But how will the audience show interest or engange in characters completely underdeveloped or that has little to none development? Not to mention the one that barely have lines.

So is FOX that dumb to not realize that this creative team is what's wrong, or they simply rather keep a formula that has been, in a way or another, working for them? I think it's the latter, and that's why I hate that they are bringing back two of the highest paid actors in Hollywood right now, to play two characters that don't quite fit the story of Dark Phoenix at all.

 

[DOBSON10]

I'm one of the people that wants a complete and total reboot of the X-Men franchise. It doesn't have anything to do with Deadpool's success though, I've wanted that before Deadpool came along.

There just hasn't been one X-Men movie that I think has truly reached the franchises enormous potential. There have been some good movies, some decent movies and a couple bad ones, but I wouldn't call any of the X-Men movies great.

They've done a very good job with Xavier and Magneto, those two characters have come very close to reaching their full potential. Wolverine has been good overall, though I feel there is still room for improvement there as well. But pretty much every other character has been underwhelming, wasted or misused the majority of the time.

I'd like to see them set the team in present day as adults with comic accurate costumes for once (or at least as close as possible). Xavier, Cyclops, Wolverine, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Psylocke, Colossus, Gambit and Rouge would be my core team, with Nightcrawler, Jubliee, Archangel etc. subbing in or being introduced as time goes on. I'd like to see Mr. Sinister, Juggernaut, Sabretooth and Omega Red get into the action as villains. And eventually, after a break, Magneto and Mystique would pop up at some point, and Apocalypse be re-done as well (or done for the first time since you can barely call that disaster Apocalypse). You can probably tell my introduction to X-Men was the 90's cartoon from this list.

But that's all wishful thinking and we are where we are. I don't have much interest in this current direction they are going in with the kids mixed with the First Class group.

 

[Mad Ones]

Yes!! All this! haha I always agree with the stuff you have to say

Thanks! I always like your posts too!

 

[x-er]

who's the bright lady?

 

[X-Maniac]

who's the bright lady?

This seems a really random question, especially in this thread. Did you mean to post it here?

I see the Storm thread is titled 'By the bright lady' because that was an expression Ororo used in the comics. Were you referring to that? If so, the 'bright lady' is a name given to some ancient goddesses. I don't think it's a very African term though, as it's usually applied to western European deities and found in New Age neo-paganism and Wicca.

No surprise there as Claremont put elements of neo-paganism in his X-Men writing, with Storm and Phoenix being goddesses and Phoenix's various hallucinations (caused by Mastermind and Emma Frost) including the Horned One - a stag that she also saw as a man with antlers.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

who's the bright lady?

By The Bright Lady! I will avege these fallen mutants!

 

[psylockolussus]

They need to hire a creative team that followed/read the X-Men main titles from the 60s up to the 2010s (minus of courseANX). We should be in like X-Men 9 now and have already seen the team go to different rosters with faces like Betsy, Remy, Warren, Alex, Sean, Emma, Lucas, Forge, Ally, Lorna, Jubes, Tessa, Sarah, Shiro joining the team... But no, they went back to the past focusing on Xavier, Raven and Erik and completed a Logan trilogy. Geez I wish they had a creative team that cared about the X-Men as a team of mutants. Now, I'd be astonished and saddened if the X-Force and New Mutants are like the Avengers in terms of handling the characters equally, while Fox continues to fail doing that aspect with the actual X-Men!

 

[Eclipse]

They need to hire a creative team that followed/read the X-Men main titles from the 60s up to the 2010s (minus of courseANX). We should be in like X-Men 9 now and have already seen the team go to different rosters with faces like Betsy, Remy, Warren, Alex, Sean, Emma, Lucas, Forge, Ally, Lorna, Jubes, Tessa, Sarah, Shiro joining the team... But no, they went back to the past focusing on Xavier, Raven and Erik and completed a Logan trilogy. Geez I wish they had a creative team that cared about the X-Men as a team of mutants. Now, I'd be astonished and saddened if the X-Force and New Mutants are like the Avengers in terms of handling the characters equally, while Fox continues to fail doing that aspect with the actual X-Men!

yeah, because Wolverine was so unimportant in the comicbooks in this time period, right?!

 

[psylockolussus]

stop twisting my words. Maybe read the comic books about the X-Men too. Now if you can describe what journey it was for characters that aren't Logan, Erik and Xavier and how they honored the comic books after ten films... Raven doesn't count as she wasn't portrayed as some hero to the XMen.

yeah, because Wolverine was so unimportant in the comicbooks in this time period, right?!

 

[Eclipse]

stop twisting my words. Maybe read the comic books about the X-Men too. Now if you can describe what journey it was for characters that aren't Logan, Erik and Xavier and how they honored the comic books after ten films... Raven doesn't count as she wasn't portrayed as some hero to the XMen.

I was kidding. But the comic books also have a clear problem with Wolverine-centrism for many, many years. He was at several X-teams, Avenger's books, and X-Force at the same time. Right now he is supposed to be dead but that does not mean that there are not hundreds of Wolverine copies running around: X23, Old Man Logan, even Jimmy Hudson, Sabretooth, Daken...

X1, X2, X-Men: Apocalypse, and the gorgeous Days of Future Past are very balanced team movies to me. The only RIDICULOUS Wolverine-centric movie to me is X3.

I know it is a very unpopular opinion here but I really like what Singer did with Mystique in First Class and Days of Future Past. She is a great developed female character! (something that is extremely rare in the comic book movie genre! I congratulate FOX for that! I wished people here would stop the hate. The X-Men movie universe is a different universe that runs now for 17 years. It is legitimate as the comcbooks1)

 

[Frankeh]

X1, X2, X-Men: Apocalypse, and the gorgeous Days of Future Past are very balanced team movies to me.

DOFP is one of the weakest in that regard IMO. Unless you mean balance between Xavier/Magneto/Mystique.

The movie is good tho.

 

[Eclipse]

DOFP is one of the weakest in that regard IMO. Unless you mean balance between Xavier/Magneto/Mystique.

The movie is good tho.

+ add Beast and Logan...

 

[psylockolussus]

What Beast? Doesn't matter if someone is in the movie for 10000 minutes, Hank could be replaced by Alex and the movie would have been the same.

And Apocalypse isn't balanced. Especially when 3/4 of the horsemen got awful character development. Jubilee was wasted as an extra. And there was nothing special about the development of Cyke/Kurt. The dad reveal of Quicksilver felt forced and unnecessary. While Killing Alex was just something in order to get a reaction from Cyclops. Very balanced. Hilarious.

And making Mystique into a hero is an injustice to the comics especially when the likes of Rogue, Psylocke, Cyclops, Storm, Angel, Beast have yet to fully shine. Not to mention, the lameexcuse of Mystique still appearing in human form.

 

[psylockolussus]

I was kidding. But the comic books also have a clear problem with Wolverine-centrism for many, many years. He was at several X-teams, Avenger's books, and X-Force at the same time. Right now he is supposed to be dead but that does not mean that there are not hundreds of Wolverine copies running around: X23, Old Man Logan, even Jimmy Hudson, Sabretooth, Daken...

And that didn't stop for Iceman,Rogue,Kitty, Colossus, Gambit, Psylocke to get their own story arcs for how many decades now?

The films don't mirror the comic books, if Wolverine is used most of the time is also because of the character popularity but it doesn't get in the way of the other a-listers like Cyclops getting shafted.

 

[marvelrobbins]

yeah, because Wolverine was so unimportant in the comicbooks in this time period, right?!

well you have said to others what i have been trying to say for years.wolverine was most popular x-men character for years before the films.why do people think singer and donner wanted him to be focal character in first place.and marvel itself overextended his use in comics.ask people in 80's and 90's if there was ever going to be x-men films and they wouldn't use wolverine they would have thought you were crazy.