Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix Skepticism Thread

[Smilodon]

I dig it Smilodon

Yeah, it's not even some really complex idea. The first Avengers film did something similar with Cap and Tony. If X3 had gone as Singer intended, it probably would've seen the same happen, only with Scott and Logan working together. First Class had a similar deal with Charles, Erik and Moira after Shaw's attack.

Hell, I think Bobby, Rogue and Pyro were a pretty interesting trio in X2. They had some good drama between them. There's examples of good relationships between characters in these films, we just need to apply them to others. I think that's also why many of us are wary of going cosmic so early though, the spectacle might overshadow the character work.

 

[henzINNIT]

No giving someone else the leader role ****s up his character, that says alot about the character when his purpose is to be the leader and once thats gone there is nothing to him.

Captain america is the leader of the avengers but there isn't this feeling that is all he is.

Captain America wouldn't work if he wasn't the leader. His unwavering morals and inspiring leadership is the core of his character.

 

[def28]

Captain America wouldn't work if he wasn't the leader. His unwavering morals and inspiring leadership is the core of his character.

Yeah, it's not even some really complex idea. The first Avengers film did something similar with Cap and Tony. If X3 had gone as Singer intended, it probably would've seen the same happen, only with Scott and Logan working together. First Class had a similar deal with Charles, Erik and Moira after Shaw's attack.

Hell, I think Bobby, Rogue and Pyro were a pretty interesting trio in X2. They had some good drama between them. There's examples of good relationships between characters in these films, we just need to apply them to others. I think that's also why many of us are wary of going cosmic so early though, the spectacle might overshadow the character work.

Exactly!

 

[Smilodon]

No giving someone else the leader role ****s up his character, that says alot about the character when his purpose is to be the leader and once thats gone there is nothing to him.

Captain america is the leader of the avengers but there isn't this feeling that is all he is.

My god, people aren't saying that's all there is to Scott. It's one of his many defining characteristic of his yeah, but that's what Jean and Charles and Logan and Storm etc. are there for throughout the history of the X-Men.

Let's build up the character before we start deconstructing him ala Cap, and secondly, I'd be much more worried that we're just gonna get Scott crying over Jean the entire time.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

My god

He's a contrarian it's his schtick

 

[GuestStar2004]

Let's build up the character before we start deconstructing him ala Cap

Thats what id prefer personally.

 

[Smilodon]

Thats what id prefer personally.

And you build him up by making him lead and having him fall in love with Jean. You know, the basic bones of his comic book character.

 

[GuestStar2004]

And you build him up by making him lead and having him fall in love with Jean. You know, the basic bones of his comic book character.

Hopefully there is way more to him then just those things.

Yes its pre-X1 cyclops but jean and being the leader was what he was in X1 and it didn't make him a stand out.

 

[Frankeh]

Hopefully there is way more to him then just those things.

Except that might not fit in this movie, maybe in a TV Show in a filler episode. Only Magneto and Quicksilver and Mystique get to have their subplots.

 

[Lip]

Hopefully there is way more to him then just those things.

Yes its pre-X1 cyclops but jean and being the leader was what he was in X1 and it didn't make him a stand out.

The reason why he didn't stand out has nothing to do with being a leader or having a relationship with Jean. He wasn't written to be a stand out. He was written to be *****ing about Logan.

We've barely seen his relationship with Jean, or him leading the team.

So Sheridan's Scott can very well have his leadership skills developed and his relationship with Jean too. And he can still stand out being the team's leader and Jean's boyfriend. It's two of the defining traits of him.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Except that might not fit in this movie, maybe in a TV Show in a filler episode. Only Magneto and Quicksilver and Mystique get to have their subplots.

Want your rattle back?

 

[marvelrobbins]

Want your rattle back?

be intresting if magneto and mystique actuly have smaller roles.for me it would reduce my skeptism of them overshadowing jean and cyclops in dark phoenix.

while i would still be skeptical of kinberg's capabiltys it would be step in right direction.

 

[EnDz0n3]

No giving someone else the leader role ****s up his character, that says alot about the character when his purpose is to be the leader and once thats gone there is nothing to him.

Captain america is the leader of the avengers but there isn't this feeling that is all he is.

That's because the good captain is actually a major character with actual character arcs. It also doesn't hurt that he's starred in his own movies outside the Avengers flick.

Also he's not relegated to play second (or fifth) fiddle to a villain that was retconned to be the lead character's step-sister.

 

[JP]

Kinberg is the KING of failing upwards. I've never seen anything like it in any industry.

 

[BeholdMe]

Magneto and Raven returning
Raven returning
Kinberg as Director
Very little development of Storm again

 

[Zarex]

Kinberg is the KING of failing upwards. I've never seen anything like it in any industry.

I'd nominate Scott Buck in TV and POTUS in politics.

 

[psylockolussus]

This is probably going to be the worst CBM next year! Especially if Aquaman and Venom surprise the critics with a good film..

 

[GuestStar2004]

This is probably going to be the worst CBM next year! Especially if Aquaman and Venom surprise the critics with a good film..

If this film was starring the original cast you would be far more optimistic even if Kinberg was directing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I am thinking this thread might be a good thing, will give some people a place to let out some criticism and some vented exaggeration.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

If this film was starring the original cast you would be far more optimistic even if Kinberg was directing.

If this movie has the OT only I'd feel exactly like him. So I can't really fault him hating the FC cast. I hate the OT cast.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If this film was starring the original cast you would be far more optimistic even if Kinberg was directing.

you shouldn't respond to him.remember both of us were told to ignore him.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

My concerns about this movie are:

-> Spend too much time dealing with Xavier and Magneto bromance.
-> Mystique being the leader of the x-men AGAIN
-> Mystique and Beast looking like humans the whole movie cause the actors don't like using props/make up.
-> Cyclops and Jean end up having a small role again.
-> They cut from the movie a awesome Storm scene again like the one that got deleted from X-Men Apocalypse where she explain her motivations to follow Apocalypse.
-> Quicksilver having only 2 scenes

Overall I'm just afraid that they'll focus too much on Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Beast and forget about the other characters.

 

[marvelrobbins]

My concerns about this movie are:

-> Spend too much time dealing with Xavier and Magneto bromance.
-> Mystique being the leader of the x-men AGAIN
-> Mystique and Beast looking like humans the whole movie cause the actors don't like using props/make up.
-> Cyclops and Jean end up having a small role again.
-> They cut from the movie a awesome Storm scene again like the one that got deleted from X-Men Apocalypse where she explain her motivations to follow Apocalypse.
-> Quicksilver having only 2 scenes

Overall I'm just afraid that they'll focus too much on Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Beast and forget about the other characters.

all valid but i don' think they care very much about beasthe gets the least from the first class cast

 

[2kt09]

My concerns about this movie are:

-> Spend too much time dealing with Xavier and Magneto bromance.
-> Mystique being the leader of the x-men AGAIN
-> Mystique and Beast looking like humans the whole movie cause the actors don't like using props/make up.
-> Cyclops and Jean end up having a small role again.
-> They cut from the movie a awesome Storm scene again like the one that got deleted from X-Men Apocalypse where she explain her motivations to follow Apocalypse.
-> Quicksilver having only 2 scenes

Overall I'm just afraid that they'll focus too much on Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Beast and forget about the other characters.

Ok, so the way I've understood it is that Cyclops came into X-MA as the "Wolverine" of the group. Jean ends up with more to do and say in the movie's 2nd half.
Unfortunately, Quicksilver has definitely gotten enough focus and spectacle to end up hogging the limelight again so much so that he becomes the new punching bag. So, I doubt he won't have a pertinent or show stealing role.

 

[BeholdMe]

This is probably going to be the worst CBM next year! Especially if Aquaman and Venom surprise the critics with a good film..

That's a major reach, not seeing anything from the movie yet but heresay. Wait a bit later before having a meltdown over the OT not returning.