Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix Skepticism Thread

[Leo Zelinsky]

Last time I checked, Disney is making Homecoming. Go to the Homecoming boards and see the psychotic level of irrelevant nitpicks and complaints there. Your theory doesn't hold up.

Honestly Spider-Man fans don't deserve the lifeline Marvel gave them. They should've got Amazing Spider-Man 3 & Aunt May spin off. Really ungrateful lot

 

[marvelrobbins]

Last time I checked, Disney is making Homecoming. Go to the Homecoming boards and see the psychotic level of irrelevant nitpicks and complaints there. Your theory doesn't hold up.

it's a sony film produced by marvel.the amount of people upset over homecoming is small compared to x-men.more will accept the massive changes for homecoming than will x-men.and having kinberg as director is making thins even worse.

 

[Kreem Pi]

it's a sony film produced by marvel.

It's creatively lead by Feige and his team.

more will accept the massive changes for homecoming than will x-men.

That depends on the execution.

 

[Smilodon]

it's a sony film produced by marvel.the amount of people upset over homecoming is small compared to x-men.more will accept the massive changes for homecoming than will x-men.and having kinberg as director is making thins even worse.

There is really no base in fact for this statement. You don't know every corner of the internet, and there's a bajillion people who complain no matter what, because it's the internet.

 

[psylockolussus]

Say what you want about Homecoming, but that Rotten Tomatoes rating is a big deal. Dark Phoenix wouldn't even get close to that even with a handful of reviews from the critics.

 

[BeholdMe]

Im not a SpiderMan fan at all, but I wish it the best and they are doing a good job with the property. Focusing on the key player, giving him the personality that made fans love him thats how you do it.

 

[psylockolussus]

Also, DoFP made money because it was good.

XMA made less because it wasn't. Not because of the lack of any OT actor. Some franchises are critic proof, and the X-films haven't been that way since 2006.

Explain to me the opening weekend of 65 million from Dofp's 90 million opening weekend then compare it to the $100 million something that X3 got in 3 days, an increase from X2's 80+ million opening weekend.

Both movies got bad/mixed reviews and same cinema score rating. But how in the world X3 still got a bigger opening weekend thanX2, and Apocalypse couldn't even come close to Dofp's opening weekend just for the goodwill of the last two X-Men movies.

Yeah that is purely because it was a bad movie but more people gave X3 a chance.

 

[BeholdMe]

Whelp to bad the OC are done with the franchise, lol. This is the present we have the cast we have we are not getting the other cast back so why keep comparing the movies. Apocalypse was just not good and some are just tired of the same ol same ol.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah lets see for the first time how a X-Men team film perform at the box office after a bad predecessor, without a glorified Ot cast cameo and with an obvious franchise fatigue. And unlike First Class, this is probably going to be a stinker which is another nail.

 

[BeholdMe]

We have the popular heroes back in Jean,Storm,Cyclops, Nightcrawler in which the other movies were lacking. Im more hesitant about the first time director not which cast is in the movie because that doesnt matter at all. What matters is they make a good movie and utilize the XMen properly even with another director nailing that helps. The OC are done and if they movie is good it will prevail since as I said we have the iconic characters back.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

And unlike First Class, this is probably going to be a stinker which is another nail.

If New Mutant's & Deadpool hit maybe some good will rolls off on Dark Phoenix

 

[BeholdMe]

If New Mutant's & Deadpool hit maybe some good will rolls off on Dark Phoenix

Yea because Deadpool was actually a great movie has nothing to do with a cast not returning. Its the quality of the movie, this day and age not everyone just settles.

 

[psylockolussus]

We have the popular heroes back in Jean,Storm,Cyclops, Nightcrawler in which the other movies were lacking.

You said that in the past with Apocalypse. And look how you ate your words last year.

let's not be naive that the cast isn't a factor at the box office. That's like saying if everyone gets recast for Avengers 3/4, it wouldn't matter.

 

[psylockolussus]

If New Mutant's & Deadpool hit maybe some good will rolls off on Dark Phoenix

Well the goodwill from Dofp and Deadpool clearly worked for Apocalypse. Oh no. Nope. It couldn't even outgross X1 in North America.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

You said that in the past with Apocalypse. And look how you ate your words last year.

Do you want X-MEN to fail?

 

[psylockolussus]

Do you want X-MEN to fail?

I wouldn't put Simon Kinberg in charge if I don't want them to fail. It's the same person that probably decided that X-Men should stay in the past again and again.

In fact they are wasting good money and time creating this mess in the first place, when they could have hired someone else to do the job. When this movie fails next year, it would be Fox's mistake and not because a fan online bad mouthing it.

 

[BeholdMe]

You said that in the past with Apocalypse. And look how you ate your words last year.

let's not be naive that the cast isn't a factor at the box office. That's like saying if everyone gets recast for Avengers 3/4, it wouldn't matter.

First calm yourself before I read you for filth. I didnt eat anything because obviously you cant comprehend when I gave my opinion on the movie multple times and how rushed it was, how they gave little development to the new cast so no it wasn't the movie I thought it would've been and the potential that it could have been, it was the quality and delivery that sucked. I did say before the movie came out that it COULD be great bringing back the big 3 but if they do nothing with them(which ive already given my distaste of the treatment of Storm)then they really doesnt help. Im not naive you just pick and choose what I said instead of the full picture, your the one salty because the OC is done lol, i cannot.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I wouldn't put Simon Kinberg in charge if I don't want them to fail.

Yeah but come P..... $49m opening weekend?

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah but come P..... $49m opening weekend?

Well Apocalypse opened with $65 million after Dofp's 90 million ow and Deadpool's record breaking February ow? So yes. That's 16 million less than Apocalypse's ow. The drop from Dofp's ow to Apocalypse is much a bigger.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Well Apocalypse opened with $65 million

I attribute that to being a poor movie + a horrible looking & sounding Villain. And releasing way to close to a superior Civil War movie.


Moving far from the superior Infinity War should help this time. And Phoenix > Singer's version of Apoclypse.

But under $50m I can't see it

 

[BeholdMe]

Yea we need more info before knowing how much it will do, because if what they have grabs peoples attention it can go either way. I dont think it will be over 90 million, but who knows really at this point.

 

[psylockolussus]

I attribute that to being a poor movie + a horrible looking & sounding Villain. And releasing way to close to a superior Civil War movie.


Moving far from the superior Infinity War should help this time. And Phoenix > Singer's version of Apoclypse.

But under $50m I can't see it

Its opening against Mulan. Fantastic Beasts will open two weeks later. Grinch one week after Mulan. Wreck it Ralph wraps up the month. Not too mention it would be like the 6th or 7th CBM that will come out after Venom, Deadpool, New Mutants, Avengers, Ant-Man and Black Panther. If the Marvel fatigue doesn't start to kick in by the 7th Marvel film in a span of nine months then great.

 

[BMM]

We have the popular heroes back in Jean,Storm,Cyclops, Nightcrawler in which the other movies were lacking. Im more hesitant about the first time director not which cast is in the movie because that doesnt matter at all. What matters is they make a good movie and utilize the XMen properly even with another director nailing that helps. The OC are done and if they movie is good it will prevail since as I said we have the iconic characters back.

I wouldn't say the cast doesn't matter at all, but quality is also obviously important. Look at The Wolverine and Logan. Both feature the same lead, as well as appearances by original cast members, and yet The Wolverine is the lowest grossing X-Men film, while Logan went on to make almost $100 million more than it in the United States alone. Why? Because Logan looked damn good, and, more importantly, it was. If Dark Phoenix can do something similar, I have no doubt it will perform better at the box office than Apocalypse. Unfortunately, I don't know if Simon Kinberg is the right man for the job. That's the biggest question mark, not the cast.

 

[BeholdMe]

I wouldn't say the cast doesn't matter at all, but quality is also obviously important. Look at The Wolverine and Logan. Both feature the same lead, as well as appearances by original cast members, yet, The Wolverine is the lowest grossing X-Men film, while Logan went on to make almost $100 million more than it in the United States alone. Why? Because Logan looked damn good, and, more importantly, it was. If Dark Phoenix can do something similar, I have no doubt it will perform better at the box office than Apocalypse. Unfortunately, I don't know if Simon Kinberg is the right man for the job. That's the biggest question mark, not the cast.

I was not saying the cast doesnt matter at all I was trying to explain to someone that the cast isnt all that matters since he just likes to live in the fact,there are many factors to add to that as you stated yourself not just one single thing. Logan captured the spirit of the character apparently and it got people invested in the characters it stayed true to his core which is something the main films lack with most of the characters. I do have my doubts with Kinberg as well I'm just waiting to hear a bit more, see how he handles the characters because if he can juggle that and capture the spirit of the story I think it can perform better than Apocalypse as well as the legs will help it in the longrun.

 

[psylockolussus]

I didn't say that the cast is the only thing that matters. Do you think Logan would have made all that money if Hugh was replaced and Xavier was recast again. Hmm maybe not. Familiarity sells.