Days of Future Past X-men First Class Sequels?

[X-Maniac]

Just curious on why Thunderbird? Ive seen him mentioned a few times.

Never thought Id say this but not including Dazzler would surprise me, she seems a perfect fit for First Class.

Thunderbird's inclusion would be an acknowledgement of the earlier comics as well as the ethnic diversity of a native American.

The thing is, in the comics he didn't last long before being bumped off. Also his power is not that exciting unless it's beefed up a bit.

So he's not what I would call 'essential.'

 

[def28]

Gotcha. I hope they actually go later with some characters. I think the film already has enough acknowledgement of the earlier comics with Havok, Banshee and Beast.

 

[dmadcat]

I'd rather we didn't see Scott or Jean for at least another two films. What's with this impatient rush to get to the point where X1 kicked off? Can't we have a long period of exploring a previously unseen history? Once Scott comes in, we know he will show leadership and fall in love with Jean - it's sooooo predictable. Boring!

o.o

We just got a movie that spent two hours showing us how Erik was friends with Charles Xavier and became Magneto with a few seemingly throw away X-Men sprinkled in. We know Magneto and Charles were friends and that he turns evil. How much more predictable could that have been? There really weren't any twists or surprises thrown in.

So now, all of a sudden, a movie fleshing out ACTUAL X-Men would be boring and predictable?! This is the saddest part about this director's treatment of the X-Men.
Now instead of caring anything about the actual characters who made the X-Men great, the only concern is how many more mutants can we flash on the screen for ten minutes using cool powers while we explore Magneto's demons.

Probably more disheartening than Fox's treatment of them is the 'fans' acceptance of it.

 

[X-Maniac]

We just got a movie that spent two hours showing us how Erik was friends with Charles Xavier and became Magneto with a few seemingly throw away X-Men sprinkled in. We know Magneto and Charles were friends and that he turns evil. How much more predictable could that have been? There really weren't any twists or surprises thrown in.

No twists or surprises? We didn't know how and why Charles and Erik became divided, we didn't know how Charles became paralysed. And we didn't know that Mystique was a friend of Charles in the early years. We didn't know that the Cuban Missile Crisis was involved. We didn't know how Beast became blue and furry.

So now, all of a sudden, a movie fleshing out ACTUAL X-Men would be boring and predictable?! This is the saddest part about this director's treatment of the X-Men. Now instead of caring anything about the actual characters who made the X-Men great, the only concern is how many more mutants can we flash on the screen for ten minutes using cool powers while we explore Magneto's demons. Probably more disheartening than Fox's treatment of them is the 'fans' acceptance of it.

Why would it be of immediate benefit to introduce Scott and Jean? And in the 1960s no less, when they wouldn't have been old enough or maybe not even born.

 

[marvelrobbins]

My hope Is they stick to matthew Vaughn's only 1 new character and make it a new X-man(maybe 2.And hopefully It will be Polaris) Keep Broterhood as Is for this film(Maybe
Angel and riptide can bite the dust In this film) and they do as Bryan Singr earlier suggested(before we knew it was official there would be sequel) and use vietnam war or
Civil rights movemnet as backdrop of the film.I don't see Vaughn jumping ahead to 1970's In second film.I also don't want them to cwoad the film with new characters.That was major problem with The Last Stand.And some are wanting them to do that.While I won't be upset If Angel or riptide don't come back I would rather focus on new x-Man as being new character being Introduced.I understand some may like a better version of Juggernaut on screen but the brotherhood members we should focus on are Magneto,Mystique,Emma Frost,and Azarel.Any other should just be there to do Magneto's bidding.Let's also give more attention to havok and Banshee.The more new characters you Introduce the less time you can spend with returning characters.

 

[def28]

There is no way that the X Men as of now can hold there own. I also would have a hard time believing in between the time of FC and the sequel Prof X wouldnt find new mutants. They did fine with introducing 5 in Fc. Introducing 2 to 3 wont be hard or take away screen time. As long as they are not throwing new mutants on screen every 5 min I see no problem with it.

And yeah ditch Angel and Ritide.

 

[danoyse]

Probably more disheartening than Fox's treatment of them is the 'fans' acceptance of it.

If that's intended to be a dig at people here who have the nerve to disagree with you about this movie, let it be known that that attitude is not acceptable here.

If you want people to deal with the fact that you didn't like the movie, then you'll have to be equally understanding that others did like the movie.

 

[dmadcat]

No twists or surprises? We didn't know how and why Charles and Erik became divided, we didn't know how Charles became paralysed. And we didn't know that Mystique was a friend of Charles in the early years. We didn't know that the Cuban Missile Crisis was involved. We didn't know how Beast became blue and furry.



Why would it be of immediate benefit to introduce Scott and Jean? And in the 1960s no less, when they wouldn't have been old enough or maybe not even born.

We only know this stuff because they wrote it that way. Why would Scott and Jean be any different? We don't know how they met or how they discovered the powers they have. How is that somehow less interesting?

 

[dmadcat]

If that's intended to be a dig at people here who have the nerve to disagree with you about this movie, let it be known that that attitude is not acceptable here.

If you want people to deal with the fact that you didn't like the movie, then you'll have to be equally understanding that others did like the movie.

Wow, so I really touched a nerve here? MY views can be marginalized and blasted as "you're just one of those comics fans!" here with no problems whatsoever but if I voice my concern that fans (notice I didn't specifically name ANYONE on this board nor would I because this is a small microcosm that's only possibly representative of the larger audience) are fine with the current iterations of a franchise I care about I get the stern warning?

I can see I'm completely in the wrong place. You don't want anything here but gushing praise for this effort and anything less will not be tolerated. Feel free to remove my blasphemous opinions as inappropriate

I'll see myself out, thanks.

 

[X-Maniac]

We only know this stuff because they wrote it that way. Why would Scott and Jean be any different? We don't know how they met or how they discovered the powers they have. How is that somehow less interesting?

Well, we do see some backstory on Jean in X3 and on Cyclops in XMO:Wolverine. Even if those films are officially disregarded, then the audience remembers things.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be great at some point to see them at the school - and I'm sure they're debating when to put them into this franchise - but I don't see the point of rushing in everyone that was there at the start of X1.

I also don't see how following the comics more precisely would necessarily be better.

Marvel itself doesn't follow the comics. The first Avengers were Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp and Thor, who inadvertently answered a call to stop the Hulk (who was on a Loki-controlled rampage). No SHIELD, no Nick Fury, no Captain America, no Hawkeye, no Black Widow, no alien army, no Maria Hill.

Captain America joined the Avengers in issue 4, after being found in ice during a battle between the Avengers and Namor. Hawkeye joined in issue 16 along with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, after everyone else but Captain America resigned. Black Widow first encountered the Avengers in issue 29 - and as an opponent, not an ally. She begins to fight with the Avengers in issue 36 but doesn't become a member for years.

The Avengers film doesn't follow any of that. None of it.

So let's get real here regarding comic book accuracy.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Thank you so I don't have to point out yet again plenty of other comic franchises Including Marvel studios make changes yet only Bryan Singer and now Matthew Vaughn
are critized for changes.Every comc book adaptian picks and chooses which characters and elements from comics.Peter Parker never met mary Jane watson till collage.Ra's al ghul had nothing to do with Batman's origin.Ducard was a french detective Bruce Wayne spent some time with during his travels.The Joker had nothing to do with Two-Face's origin.Pepper Potts was not love of Tony Stark's life.She married Happy Hogan.sandman did not kill Ben Parker.Samuel Sterns was not a scientist.Nor was Betty Ross(while to be fair not till the ultimate version) General Ross wanted to destroy the hulk not study the gamma secrets.Jane Foster was nurse not a scientist.Loki was not sympthetic villain.The
combined the frost giants with other giants In Thor(Loki's father was a giant not a frost Giant) Steve rogers was recruited by Chester Phillips not dr erkstane(and Phillips was
General not Colonal) Heimdale was cast with black actor(Just like Laurence Fishbourne as Perry White In Man of steel few critize this like they do the X-Men films) The Red skull
oriignally wore a mask(not till late 1980's after he had body cloned from captain America did he have a permeant red skull face) Peggy Carter was not briitsh officer but woman Cap meet during war In french resitance.Nick fury and not cap lead the Howling Commandos.Bucky was member of howling commandos and not cap's sidekick like the comics.If your going to bash SInger and Vaughn you also have to critize others as well.

 

[danoyse]

Wow, so I really touched a nerve here? MY views can be marginalized and blasted as "you're just one of those comics fans!" here with no problems whatsoever but if I voice my concern that fans (notice I didn't specifically name ANYONE on this board nor would I because this is a small microcosm that's only possibly representative of the larger audience) are fine with the current iterations of a franchise I care about I get the stern warning?

I can see I'm completely in the wrong place. You don't want anything here but gushing praise for this effort and anything less will not be tolerated. Feel free to remove my blasphemous opinions as inappropriate

I'll see myself out, thanks.

I think you're confusing "marginalized and blasted" with "disagreeing with you and providing points to as to why".

If you think you're the first one here to dislike changes from the original source material, I suggest actually reading through these forums. You'll see that you're far from the first. And that it's not a crime for people to be OK with change, as you clearly are not.

You can dislike the movie all you want, and you are free to say as much here. But you are to treat other posters on this forum with the same amount of respect that you are asking for yourself.

If you can't handle that and are still headed for the exit, by all means, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[blueserenity]

o.o

We just got a movie that spent two hours showing us how Erik was friends with Charles Xavier and became Magneto with a few seemingly throw away X-Men sprinkled in. We know Magneto and Charles were friends and that he turns evil. How much more predictable could that have been? There really weren't any twists or surprises thrown in.

So now, all of a sudden, a movie fleshing out ACTUAL X-Men would be boring and predictable?! This is the saddest part about this director's treatment of the X-Men.
Now instead of caring anything about the actual characters who made the X-Men great, the only concern is how many more mutants can we flash on the screen for ten minutes using cool powers while we explore Magneto's demons.

Probably more disheartening than Fox's treatment of them is the 'fans' acceptance of it.

The difference is that we needed to understand their journey and why they "broke up" and why 50 years later they can't kill each other or let go of each other. It's one of the most interesting relationships in comic book history, and it was a story that definitely needed to be told.

Jean and Scott's stories do not need to be told. We had enough of that in the old movies. There is nothing in their relationship that is as integral to the plot or as remotely interesting as Charles and Erik's.

That said I think the other X-Men could use some more fleshing out... the other X-Men being the other ones established in XMFC, such as Banshee and Havok. I'd like to know for instance, why Alex was in jail in the first place. Or how image-conscious Hank is dealing with his fuzzy blue form. Or how Raven turns into sexy-manipulative Mystique. And of course how Erik and most of all Charles are dealing with the aftermath of Cuba. Their problems are way more interesting than anything a new character could bring to the table. At least that's my opinion.

Wow, so I really touched a nerve here? MY views can be marginalized and blasted as "you're just one of those comics fans!" here with no problems whatsoever but if I voice my concern that fans (notice I didn't specifically name ANYONE on this board nor would I because this is a small microcosm that's only possibly representative of the larger audience) are fine with the current iterations of a franchise I care about I get the stern warning?

I can see I'm completely in the wrong place. You don't want anything here but gushing praise for this effort and anything less will not be tolerated. Feel free to remove my blasphemous opinions as inappropriate

I'll see myself out, thanks.

I think you're approaching this the wrong way. No one is trying to kick you out because you're annoyed XMFC didn't live up to your expectations. As mentioned, we do a great deal of debating and yes, criticizing of the movie here. Voicing your opinion is totally fine and chances are you'll meet people who share your views, or perhaps change some of yours. But you gotta come in with an open mind, and liking even just one aspect of the movies (even something as small as like the design of the X-Jet or the Magneto music theme) is a good way to get discussion started. If you just come in blasting everything about the movie it makes the discussion aspect much more challenging. :/

 

[merbass]

I want this trilogy to feature no Jean, Scott and definitely not Wolverine !

Th set up of the story was very good and now that Michael and Jennifer became big stars, so they should focus on the Brotherhood, a new baddie and few more X-men !

 

[Great Mind(s)]

They should mix the Dark Phoenix saga with the Messiah Complex. Introduce young Jean as someone who fries Cerebro. Xavier wants to visit her and bring her to the school but she's reached by Ms Frost who represents another "school".

 

[Majik1387]

I don't want them thinking of this series as a trilogy. Limited unimaginative thinking.

 

[Angamb]

totally agree with that

 

[marvelrobbins]

If Fox has no Intention of ever doing X4(or more accurate a Bryan Singer directed sequel taking places several years after X2) they should do a series of prequels covering
the mid 1960's through the 1980's.Let's say X-Men and X2 take place In the mid 1990's.You got plenty of time to explore.You have enough material for 5 more films.

Film 2-Mid or late 1960's
Film 3-Early 1970's
Film 4-Late 1970's
Film 5-Early 1980's
Film 6-Mid or late 1980's

You keep keep mostly the cast they have now for films 2,and 3.At end of film 3 Intoduce 12 year old Jean.Then In film 4 Introduce17 year Cyclops and have sinster as
Villain.Introduce younger storm In Film 5 and In Film 6 you can see Magneto finding Toad and Sabretooth.If thiere is no sequel post X2 then have sentinles In film 3 and have X-Men and brotherhood team up against them.

 

[cybertoad]

Was it confirmed to become a trilogy or something?.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The talk was always First Class was planned as part 1 of a trilogy.

 

[Majik1387]

Where has that been said

 

[X-Maniac]

It certainly doesn't need to be limited to a trilogy.

That's very restrictive. And it also creates the pressure for the third film to be more conclusive and climactic and bigger and better than the rest. We know where that got us with The Last Stand.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Last year In Interview Matthew Vaughn hinted at this being more than trilogy by saying with rest of 1960's plus 1970's and 1980's to explore In films that take place before Bryan
Singer's films.

with a trilogy there Is danger of third film under pressure of being film to lead into other films and would be In rush to Introduce younger versions of characters In earlier films.

 

[Majik1387]

How does more than trilogy = trilogy?

 

[LindseyNH]

i would love to see more of professor x's story....i think first class should continue to focus on xavier and magneto..