Sequels X-Men: First Class

[Nathan]

Yeah, that was an awesome moment.

 

[Project862006]

singer would of made wolverine origins a hell of a lot better remember the flashback scenes that's how it should of been

 

[MadVillainy]

So is this film (potentially series) gonna be a complete reboot and not be prequels to X-Men 1,2, or 3?

 

[X Knight]

So is this film (potentially series) gonna be a complete reboot and not be prequels to X-Men 1,2, or 3?

who knows??

I want a complete reboot myself....just start over clean and fresh....

most likely, though, they'll tie it into the existing X movies and thus make it a prequel of some sorts.......

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So is this film (potentially series) gonna be a complete reboot and not be prequels to X-Men 1,2, or 3?

No, it is a prequel to the already existing movies.

 

[Nathan]

I personally wouldn't mind a reboot. Especially if it means it'll stick a little closer to the comics and we get a funny Iceman. It would be great to see Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Angel and Iceman together.

But even if it isn't a reboot, I'm still looking forward to it with Singer directing. This time though, I hope he'll be able to properly show the characters powers. They were a little tame in X1 and X2.

 

[Trigger]

I don't want a reboot. The current trilogy isn't that bad to warrant one. I'd prefer that First Class be a prequel trilogy of some sort. In ideal it would tie-in to the first three movies, but have its own storyline.

The thread for Wolverine's box office is here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=321644

Discuss it on that thread if you want, but don't turn this thread into a Wolverine box office debate. This thread is to discuss the new film.

Sorry that wasn't actually my intention.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't want a reboot. The current trilogy isn't that bad to warrant one. I'd prefer that First Class be a prequel trilogy of some sort. In ideal it would tie-in to the first three movies, but have its own storyline.

I agree the current X-Men series has alot of mileage on it. Assuming First Class lasts for 3 films thats a 6-9 year span
Wolverine might have one or 2 films in him left
Magneto I see only having one film
and then theirs Deadpool and I think they were planning Gambit too

Basically best case scenario the current continuity has about 10 years left worse case still like 5 years

 

[danoyse]

that makes sense. I really didn't see how a "Magneto Origin" film would carry itself. As cool and awesome as Magneto is, he is definitely NOT Wolverine........

I do hope that whatever Singer plans for Magneto's backstory....it fits into the theme and setting he used in the opening sequence in X1.

That was such a different and powerful way to open a CB movie ( coupled with the eerie music during that scene ). I remembered when I first saw that scene......I didn't make the connection at first....but when the metal gate started warping, I was like "Holy ****! That's Magneto!!"

I wasn't familiar at all with X-Men when I saw the movie for the first time (I played the arcade game, that was about it). That first scene sucked me in immediately. Loved X1.

 

[Electrix]

Heat Vision: So how did you end up coming back to "X-Men"?

Bryan Singer: It started with a conversation between (Fox co-chairman) Tom Rothman and I some time ago. We not only concluded a deal, but I’ve written a pretty concise treatment. There’s a story that I really want to tell.

Heat Vision: What is the story?

Singer: I can’t tell you that; it’s secret. But it’s basically about the formation of the X-Men. How they began and the relationship between a young Xavier and a young Magneto.

Heat Vision: I remember when you left "X3" to do "Superman Returns." It wasn’t under the best of circumstances.

Singer: A lot of that was comical and exaggerated. When you set up a rather lucrative franchise and produce one of the company's biggest television shows ("House"), I think there is a lot of good energy on a business level.

But also, Tom Rothman and I have a very strong relationship from those early days of "X-Men 1" when he ascended to the chairmanship and I was involved in this very important movie for the studio. We bonded then. So I think he was frustrated then, as was I, because I couldn’t do a third "X-Men," but that moment of frustration passed.

We have always looked at different projects to do together, but the timing was never right to do something like this. But now, it's been about 10 years since the first "X-Men," and this is a nice opportunity to look back at the origins of that universe.

Heat Vision: Do you think the X-Men can exhaust themselves? You've got the original three, you've got "Wolverine," you've got a "Deadpool" and "Magneto" in the works ...

Singer: This story would probably utilize some of the Magneto story because it deals with a young Magneto, so it might supersede that because this would explore that relationship between a young energetic professor and a disenfranchised victim of the Holocaust.

But no, I don’t see an exhaustion. The X-Men universe is boundless. These are great characters. And as young characters, they are quite different than the characters we have seen in the contemporary movies.

Heat Vision: Would you do "Jack the Giant Killer" first?

Singer: Right now that is the plan. Unless there's a problem in the development process. There is a script for "Jack"; we're in visual development. We've got artwork and pre-viz that we are doing. But you never know how things go.

I have a writer named Jamie Moss working on "First Class."

Heat Vision: Why did you choose to work with him?

Singer: He's a really good writer, and of the writers I met with, he interpreted my story the best and brought the most to it. Because I'm so actively involved in the script development of my movies, I'm very hands-on, I need a certain kind of writer and a certain kind of availability to me. And he fit that bill. He's quite talented.

http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2009/...irst-class-jack-the-giant-killer-q-and-a.html

Someone needs to go to the Giant Killer development area and scribble over all of their work.

 

[MadVillainy]

nice find, but doesn't give much details. Besides that its probably 2-3 years away.
Didn't really answer my questions

 

[spideyboy_1111]

In bizarro land!

I suggest you rewatch. X1 dealt with Rogue and Wolverine's journey into meeting and fitting in with the X-men and helping them defeat magneto and his brotherhood, X2 was about Wolverine's past coming back to haunt him and his new team, X3 dealt with The X-men trying to save there own as well as fighting the largest threat to mutant kind.

Yes, being made leader of the team is being "shoved back a little." The whole plot was him saving the day at the end, when in X1 and X2 it was a group effort to stop the final threat.

And how did Jean become more prominent? Even Famke complained that she didn't get enough to do. And adding Beast and Kitty in that list of more prominent characters is funny seeing X3 is the first film they're even main cast members in. You might as well say Nightcrawler became less prominent in X3 if you're gonna go by that logic. And it's funny that Colossus had more lines and more to do in his cameo in X2 then all his scenes as an X-Man in X3, the movie thats supposedly more about the X-Men.

Wolverine was never the official team leader, just the loud mouth who wouldn't let storm (the real one in charge) speak. That doesn't mean the movie focused on him. X1 and X2 was more of a "person A does this while person B does this to let wolverine save the day" X2 while wolverine didnt save the day, the rest of the x-men hardly did anything... the final solving of anything was just Kurt and Ororo teleporting into the dark danger room and stopping jason. Hardly a group effort. X3 dealt with more team work then any of the previous ones, from group fight scenes to taking down magneto.

also if "who saves the day" really spells out who the movie focused with you on then you need to watch more movies, that's not always the case at all.

the first half of X3 dealt with nearly nothing but the plot of jean and her phoenix alter ego... thats a good portion of the film. Now what she obviously complained about was the last half where she just sat around and just essentially stared at things.

kitty was in X1 given more X2 she was given more, then actually had a real role in X3.

To not actually see how X3 was more of a "team" then X1 or X2 is kinda ridiculous, i suggest you rewatch the film. It was crappily done, but it felt far more like a team.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Did we watch the same movie Spidey? Wolvie had well more screen-time than anyone else in X3, it totally focused on him.

I never said wolvie was focused on less than others. He was still the one with the most screen time, but that screen time was 1) more shared then previous films, and 2) it was less screen time total then in X1 and X2

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Quite a few people here have been posting their reservations about having him back. The people who were fans of Singer's films are happy to have him back. What's the big deal about that?

never said they couldn't voice there like for him, just that like with most comic films they shouldn't praise anything yet. Hell people praised raimi after spidey 2... and look what we got for 3... just telling people to be cautious is all.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yes...it's true....Singer is back and directing First Class.....

I wonder though if this will affect the other spin-off films ( Magneto, Deadpool, Wolverine 2, etc. )....

with the original director back at the helm.....will Singer also be involved in the other projects?

wasn't one of Singer's writer friends ( McQuarry or something ) in talks to write the Wolverine sequel? hmm......

in all honesty i'd be far more excited if singer was doing X-men Origins: Magneto. I think he's far better suited for heavily dramatized movies, and that has a potential to be just that. That being said, i still think he will do a fine job at First Class, I mean, can't get much worse then XO:W... and as long as it's better then X3 i'll be happy.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2009/...irst-class-jack-the-giant-killer-q-and-a.html

Someone needs to go to the Giant Killer development area and scribble over all of their work.

lol

Heat Vision: I remember when you left "X3" to do "Superman Returns." It wasn’t under the best of circumstances.

Singer: A lot of that was comical and exaggerated. When you set up a rather lucrative franchise and produce one of the company's biggest television shows ("House"), I think there is a lot of good energy on a business level.

But also, Tom Rothman and I have a very strong relationship from those early days of "X-Men 1" when he ascended to the chairmanship and I was involved in this very important movie for the studio. We bonded then. So I think he was frustrated then, as was I, because I couldn’t do a third "X-Men," but that moment of frustration passed.

We have always looked at different projects to do together, but the timing was never right to do something like this. But now, it's been about 10 years since the first "X-Men," and this is a nice opportunity to look back at the origins of that universe.

Hollywood talk for "yeah we had a big ugly fight but we got over it"

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

their was some team moments in X1, the Liberty Island scene they all pulled their powers to help Logan stop Magneto's machine...X2 jean/storm in the church to get kurt and their scene in the blackbird, but i get what people are saying they didn't fight as a team even in X3 they didn't fight as a team they still had their own individual battles;Logan/Juggs,Storm/Omegas,Storm/Callisto,etc the only time they fought as a team was to stop Magneto...all "team" moments didn't make the film;Storm's wave/Bobby & Colossus vs Phat/Storm,Logan vs. Juggs

X1-2 had subtle team-up moments, and x3 really only let Storm get loose w/her powers, i always thought Storm's power scenes was the highlight of the X films

truthfully I could've done w/o Kitty in X3, she didnt bring anything new to the movie and that chase scene w/Juggs could've been a fight w/Juggs & Colossus

I now finally realized the writers didn't know what to do w/Rogue, power wise and thats why she didn't do anything in X2-3...just imagine the opening Danger room scene if her & Storm were flying together and she used her strength to stop a heavy piece of debris from falling on Colossus...and the simple reason for her new powers is that they evolved...if the audience can except an alter ego randomly calling itself "phoenix" then her mutation evolving would make sense...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

their was some team moments in X1, the Liberty Island scene they all pulled their powers to help Logan stop Magneto's machine...X2 jean/storm in the church to get kurt and their scene in the blackbird, but i get what people are saying they didn't fight as a team even in X3 they didn't fight as a team they still had their own individual battles;Logan/Juggs,Storm/Omegas,Storm/Callisto,etc the only time they fought as a team was to stop Magneto...all "team" moments didn't make the film;Storm's wave/Bobby & Colossus vs Phat/Storm,Logan vs. Juggs

X1-2 had subtle team-up moments, and x3 really only let Storm get loose w/her powers, i always thought Storm's power scenes was the highlight of the X films

truthfully I could've done w/o Kitty in X3, she didnt bring anything new to the movie and that chase scene w/Juggs could've been a fight w/Juggs & Colossus

I now finally realized the writers didn't know what to do w/Rogue, power wise and thats why she didn't do anything in X2-3...just imagine the opening Danger room scene if her & Storm were flying together and she used her strength to stop a heavy piece of debris from falling on Colossus...and the simple reason for her new powers is that they evolved...if the audience can except an alter ego randomly calling itself "phoenix" then her mutation evolving would make sense...

i'd call the Jean's House fight scene and the final battle still very much a team fight scene... sure some were divided into 1 on 1 battles, but none the less all was happening at the same time and visually as a scene, especially at jeans house, the fights were interwoven. Unlike X2's Deathstrike fight, and X1's Magneto fight... X1 probably had more of a team fight then X2 with liberty island, but in X2 honestly most of the mutants honestly didnt do much other then wolverine and the quick jean vs scott fight... though the Nightcrawler opening scene of course rocked, but none of those were "team fights"

Storm, Iceman and Colossus (as well as kitty) all had pretty good fight scene moments imo... Storm and Iceman both got the power upgrade, storm with flying and really letting loose with her abilities and Bobby with finally getting some nerve to take on pyro, and lets not for get... ICEING UP FINALLY.

Singer was actually setting rogue up pretty decently in X2... he was just playing it real slow with her coming into her own... in X2 she was far less "emo" then X1... and i personally love the sassy moment where Magneto and Mystique are lauging at her hair "I love what you've done with your hair" and Rogue whips off her glove and heads straight towards magneto (that is a classic rogue moment.) Sadly she completely regressed in X3.... I though had always hoped that if they were to ever continue rogues story... in X4 or some spin off... that in the heat of a moment, the "cure" wore off (like it was hinted at with magneto) and she like a magnet couldn't let go of the person she was touching, putting them into a coma or killing them, while she permanently had there powers. I may or may not be the only one, but actually wouldn't mind a Rogue and Gambit spin-off where Rogue leaves the X-mansion, and her path crosses gambits. He teaches her to be comfortable in her own skin, and the 2 start there romance... with anna's performance in trublood i have all faith she can pull it off... and lets face it... with the Twilight Niche market, a teen or young 20'something love story between mutant freaks (especially on how comic chicks already swoon over gambit) could actually do pretty well.

 

[Project862006]

glad no magneto movie is happening now goyer would of raped that up lol

 

[danoyse]

never said they couldn't voice there like for him, just that like with most comic films they shouldn't praise anything yet. Hell people praised raimi after spidey 2... and look what we got for 3... just telling people to be cautious is all.

Yes, but if they're fans based on what he's already done there's no reason they can't be happy he's back.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

glad no magneto movie is happening now goyer would of raped that up lol

actually.. there's no real confirmation that it's not still happening...

 

[FaT_tONle]

I don't think Singer is best suited for bright, lively, enthusiastic kids learning to grow and cope with their problems. He did a great job in X-1 but the focus wasn't on the kids as much as it was the main characters. He is better off with the more mature, thematic, characterization stuff with older veteran actors. Magneto was an obvious choice, but maybe Fox just decided it was cheaper to do a 2 in 1.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

you know.. i hate thinking about it, but what i personally know of Singer... Expect hot young guys in the roles... possibly impressionable ones. And i shall leave it at that..

but speaking of casting choices.. i really do hope Tim and Haley return

 

[Deaths Head II]

I don't think Singer is best suited for bright, lively, enthusiastic kids learning to grow and cope with their problems. He did a great job in X-1 but the focus wasn't on the kids as much as it was the main characters. He is better off with the more mature, thematic, characterization stuff with older veteran actors. Magneto was an obvious choice, but maybe Fox just decided it was cheaper to do a 2 in 1.

In X2 he did a good job with the Iceman-Pyro-Rogue scenes. Singer's presence for me only assures me there will still be serious and mature themes in the film when it comes to the teens growing up and accepting who they are instead of just making the story about teen angst and romance.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

In X2 he did a good job with the Iceman-Pyro-Rogue scenes. Singer's presence for me only assures me there will still be serious and mature themes in the film when it comes to the teens growing up and accepting who they are instead of just making the story about teen angst and romance.

indeed it does. I just hope some of his more exuberant and needless changes/ideas don't come into fruition on this film. Like the Emma Frost one in particular