Sequels X-Men: First Class

While I'm glad that Singer is back to working on X-Men, I'm still a bit skeptical about it. To me if feels like there just trying to milk the franchise for all its got with the Origin movies.
 
They certainly are, but it can still be a good Movie.
 
True, it can be.As long as they don't ignore certain elements from the first 2 movies.
 
With Singer back, who actually made the first two, I'm not worrying about that.
 
You never know. Its still with FOX, and they have the tendency to, well how do I put it, **** things up.
 
Doesn't mean FOX won't try to take control (again). But I have faith in Singer, I always have and always will.
 
He seems to be the only director who can stand his ground against them where X-Men is concerned.
 
While I'm glad that Singer is back to working on X-Men, I'm still a bit skeptical about it. To me if feels like there just trying to milk the franchise for all its got with the Origin movies.

This is my biggest concern. In fact, that's exactly how I felt when I left the theater after watching Wolverine......

I honestly had ZERO desire to see a Wolverine sequel ( and I'm a Wolverine fan )......and I wasn't too enthused about any of these purported Origin/spin-off movies. I felt that the whole franchise had grown stale.

That being said......in some ways....I'd rather see X4....since there were a lot of loose ends left in X3 ( is Cyclops really dead or not, was the "cure" permanent, what really happened to Xavier, etc. ).

I'd rather have a continuation of the story, instead of multiple tangential retreads.

Of course, we don't know what First Class will be about. As we learn more, we may discover that they are indeed using this to "reboot" the franchise.

I hope that's the case.......but if Fox ( and Singer ) insist on retreading through the same old issues with the same characters........I think they're going to be in for a rude awakening.

X3, while it made a ton of money, was not as critically successful as X1 and X2. Wolverine made money too, but it was not exactly a rip-roaring success either ( especially critically.... )

I mean......the X-men franchise is now almost a DECADE old. Add another 1 or 2 years by the time First Class comes out, and if they do X4, another 1-2 years after that......

So...unless Fox fastracks these projects NOW....if X4 ever does come out....it's going to be at least a good 6-8 years after X3 before we get to PROGRESS the story......and by then the X-men franchise would be pushing 15-20 years old.

From a logistics and practical POV, the original actors/actresses won't be able to reprise their roles because they'd be much older. And even if it's not the same actors/atresses, do we really want to see the same character TYPES ( Jackman's Wolverine, Halle's Storm, etc. ).

Like, if First Class is indeed a prequel to the other X-films, we might get a younger Storm, but she's still going to be Halle's Storm character, because that's who she's going to become when she gets older. It's the same character......just a younger version....do we really want to see that after all these years?

IOW....this is NOT a young franchise anymore. Fox and Singer need to consider their next plans very carefully. Especially with fresh franchises ( like Iron Man, Avengers, Green Lantern, etc. ), out now or in the near future, Fox and Singer need to find a way to make the X-men franchise new, fresh, and relevant again.

And, if they are going to make the First Class characters "different" but still make it a direct prequel and thus tie it into the later X films....did Singer ( and Fox ) NOT learn from SR and Nolan's Batman films?

SR tried to have it "both ways" by being a "vague sequel" to the Donner films. It couldn't make up its mind if it wanted to be something entirely different or something familiar and nostalgic. It wasn't ( and still isn't ) clear as to where and how it fits into the timeline of the Donner movies. And what's the status of the SR franchise???

Nolan, OTOH, made it very clear where his Batman franchise stands. It was a complete reboot, a clean break from the prior Bat films. It wasn't some vague prequel that presented a different take on Batman but still somehow tied into the Burton/Schumacher films.

And isn't the premise of Batman Begins similar to what First Class is supposed to about? The early, "formative" years of Xavier, Magneto, and the students......their origin story which has never been depicted on screen before.....

Which model does Singer ( and Fox ) want to follow?

If they're going to make it a prequel, make it a direct prequel and keep the characters and universe consistent. But, then they run the risk of becoming stale and repetitive and boring, and being boxed in/confined by what takes place in the later movies......

If they're going to make the characters "different," why not go all the way and use this opportunity to reboot the whole franchise and revitalize it, before it truly does become old, stale, and repetitive?
 
I don't know as I want a reboot, what we got wasn't so bad it needs to be tossed out entirely. :( I have no problems with prequels, we never did get to see how the Professor go tthe school up and running and all that. I'd love to see an actual X4, especially if they rotate in soem of those otehr conspicously absent X-men we haven't seen yet. Why do a reboot when a simple roster change could breathe new life into the series?
 
Why do a reboot when a simple roster change could breathe new life into the series?

Totally agree. With so many characters in the X-universe, just keeping the story rotating the rooster is the more healthy way to show them all
 
^yah....but they're not exactly rotating the roster with First Class.

from all indications it's going to focus on the early X-men....so that's definitely Scott and Jean....and prob Storm ( and maybe Beast )..........

Now..if they focused on the younger X-men from the current X-films.....like Rogue, Iceman, Kitty, Jubilee, Colossus....etc., that might be different.......

sure....First Class will prob also include other mutants ( like Emma )....but, as it stands, it's still going to focus the same "core" characters.....just younger this time around.......not exactly a roster change....
 
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There wouldn't be much of a roster change in a prequel, sequel, or reboot. We've seen all of the main characters. There will be retreading one way or another.
 
I also (I can't remember who posted it first) had the feeling that there would be some sort of time travelling in this...

People are gonna be so pissed with time travelling Wolverine...
 
I also (I can't remember who posted it first) had the feeling that there would be some sort of time travelling in this...

People are gonna be so pissed with time travelling Wolverine...
 
Fox Is doing all these prequel/Spinoffs because they are too cheap for a
X-Men 4.Instead of reaching deals with the actors to return and spend the
money on decent special effects cheaper on these.In Wolverine all they
need Is reach deals with Hugh jackman and none of the others.I am sure
If he remains up for playing wolverine and audences go see them I am sure
Wolverine will be first part of a trilogy.With First Class It also has poential
for trilogy.And having Bryan Singer back to direct creates for the first time
since X2 good buzz.And they can claim we are still doing X-Men films.

Also Bryan Singer has never said on the record Xavier and Magneto will be
In their twenties.He describes them as Younger.But,remember many
superhero films start with the hero as a child or In their teens.Their Is no
way the entire film would Xavier and magneto In their twenties.He has said
they will show the opening of the school,Involve X-men Characters already
In the films,and show whatc aused the Xavier and Magneto split.

I for one am glad they threw out the exsisting script.I for one wasn't thrilled
wil the Idea of the Producer of Gossip Girl writing a X-Men film.Now from
what I read Fox does have the rights to Quicksilver but I believe marvel
retains the rights to The Scarlett Witch.

It's funny how Singer Is attacked for not completly following the comics
but many choose to Ignore Sam Rami with Spider-Man,Chris Nolan with
Batman,and Jon Favraru with Iron Man were not slavish In folowing the
comics eather.
 
It's funny how Singer Is attacked for not completly following the comics
but many choose to Ignore Sam Rami with Spider-Man,Chris Nolan with
Batman,and Jon Favraru with Iron Man were not slavish In folowing the
comics eather.

The difference between what singer did compared to Nolan/Raimi/Favraru is that he changed charcters so completely around not only for needless reasons, but only identifiable by there mutant powers. Tony Stark was still tony stark, Pepper pots was still pepper pots, jarvis... while now a computer program still acted like I'd imagine a real life jarvis acting, Aunt may was still aunt may, peter was still peter (just less sarcastic), MJ was still the popular red head, harry was still harry, ben was still ben, and norman was still norman, ock was still a mad scientist, bruce wayne was still bruce wayne...

you get what i'm saying?

rogue was not rogue, cyclops was not cyclops, iceman was certainly not iceman, and storm was CERTAINLY not storm
 
The difference between what singer did compared to Nolan/Raimi/Favraru is that he changed charcters so completely around not only for needless reasons, but only identifiable by there mutant powers. Tony Stark was still tony stark, Pepper pots was still pepper pots, jarvis... while now a computer program still acted like I'd imagine a real life jarvis acting, Aunt may was still aunt may, peter was still peter (just less sarcastic), MJ was still the popular red head, harry was still harry, ben was still ben, and norman was still norman, ock was still a mad scientist, bruce wayne was still bruce wayne...

you get what i'm saying?

rogue was not rogue, cyclops was not cyclops, iceman was certainly not iceman, and storm was CERTAINLY not storm

Sabretooth was certainly not Sabretooth.......

and..........Wolverine was certainly not Wolverine.....:o :hehe:

That's why...First Class is the perfect opportunity to "redo" these characters...to make them closer to their comic counterparts. Not 100% the same.....but closer than what we got in the X-films so far......

And...therein lies the problem if you make First Class a direct prequel that's supposed to tie in with the later films. If you do change the characters to make them closer to their comic counterparts in the First Class franchise, then that won't match or logically flow into the later movies where the "adult" characters are much different......

Say.....the First Class series shows Cyclop's growth from a shy insecure teen to the strong leader of the X-men team. But, as an adult in the later films, Cyclops was never shown as that strong of a leader. He got shafted in terms of screen time and development in X1 and X2, and was killed off in less than 10 mins in X3. Not to mention that he was completely overshadowed by Wolverine....

so.....why spend the time to develop him in the First Class movies only for that to be "contradicted" or "reversed" in the later films......
 
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While I agree to an extent, I would think that some of you have been here long enough to realize it’s a matter of perspective. There are plenty of diehard fans of those characters who have been voicing similar complaints for years.


You: Peter Parker is still Peter Parker minus this characteristic.

Them: Peter Parker isn’t Peter Parker because he’s missing said characteristic.


Them: Rogue is still Rogue minus this characteristic.

You: Rogue isn’t Rogue because she’s missing said characteristic.
 
the other "problem" is that the action, villains, and "threats" depicted in the X-films so far have been relatively "tame."

Of course, especially with X1, that was partially due to budget and tech constraints. But, even in X2 and X3, the threats that the X-men faced didn't really seem that powerful or "grand" or "epic."

So....how's that going to "constrain" what takes place in the First Class timeline. If the young X-men in First Class face off against a much more powerful threat ( say....like Sinister or Apocalypse or Sentinels ), how does that mesh with the much "tamer" threats they faced as adults in the later films.

Not to mention, according to the timeline established in X1, the whole mutant "conflict" was just starting to rise to the surface. If the young X-men faced off against much larger threats in the First Class period, surely the public would have been much more aware ( and afraid ) of mutants by the time X1 came around........
 
the other "problem" is that the action, villains, and "threats" depicted in the X-films so far have been relatively "tame."

Of course, especially with X1, that was partially due to budget and tech constraints. But, even in X2 and X3, the threats that the X-men faced didn't really seem that powerful or "grand" or "epic."

So....how's that going to "constrain" what takes place in the First Class timeline. If the young X-men in First Class face off against a much more powerful threat ( say....like Sinister or Apocalypse or Sentinels ), how does that mesh with the much "tamer" threats they faced as adults in the later films.

It probably won't given that it didn't limit X-Men Origins: Wolverine and nobody seemed to care.

Not to mention, according to the timeline established in X1, the whole mutant "conflict" was just starting to rise to the surface. If the young X-men faced off against much larger threats in the First Class period, surely the public would have been much more aware ( and afraid ) of mutants by the time X1 came around........

Says who?
 
You: Peter Parker is still Peter Parker minus this characteristic.

Them: Peter Parker isn’t Peter Parker because he’s missing said characteristic.


Them: Rogue is still Rogue minus this characteristic.

You: Rogue isn’t Rogue because she’s missing said characteristic.

I 100% agree. I know plenty of comic fans that say Rogue's portrayal in the films was okay because she was more reserved and scared in her early years as an X-Man. I always hate when arguments boil down to how true a character is because then it's all a matter of perspective. I know plenty of people that don't think Peter or MJ in the films are close to the characters in the books.
 
Sabretooth was certainly not Sabretooth.......

and..........Wolverine was certainly not Wolverine.....:o :hehe:

That's why...First Class is the perfect opportunity to "redo" these characters...to make them closer to their comic counterparts. Not 100% the same.....but closer than what we got in the X-films so far......

And...therein lies the problem if you make First Class a direct prequel that's supposed to tie in with the later films. If you do change the characters to make them closer to their comic counterparts in the First Class franchise, then that won't match or logically flow into the later movies where the "adult" characters are much different......

Say.....the First Class series shows Cyclop's growth from a shy insecure teen to the strong leader of the X-men team. But, as an adult in the later films, Cyclops was never shown as that strong of a leader. He got shafted in terms of screen time and development in X1 and X2, and was killed off in less than 10 mins in X3. Not to mention that he was completely overshadowed by Wolverine....

so.....why spend the time to develop him in the First Class movies only for that to be "contradicted" or "reversed" in the later films......

this can most certainly still be a prequel and alter characters a bit... people can grow into a new strong character just as easily as they can grow into a new weaker character. I think especially with cyclops and storm, we never got to see that much of who they really are... so a prequel making them stronger characters, by no way changes or makes things weird in previous films. I thought scott was pretty strong in X1, that also made him a tool at the same time compared to wolverine. But in X2 and X3 he dealt with losing the love of his life.... You're allowed to be "weak" when that happens..
 
I 100% agree. I know plenty of comic fans that say Rogue's portrayal in the films was okay because she was more reserved and scared in her early years as an X-Man. I always hate when arguments boil down to how true a character is because then it's all a matter of perspective. I know plenty of people that don't think Peter or MJ in the films are close to the characters in the books.

my point is the X-films took far more of a miss step on iconic characterization then the other said movies... and i think majority of us could still agree on that.
 
the other "problem" is that the action, villains, and "threats" depicted in the X-films so far have been relatively "tame."

Of course, especially with X1, that was partially due to budget and tech constraints. But, even in X2 and X3, the threats that the X-men faced didn't really seem that powerful or "grand" or "epic."

So....how's that going to "constrain" what takes place in the First Class timeline. If the young X-men in First Class face off against a much more powerful threat ( say....like Sinister or Apocalypse or Sentinels ), how does that mesh with the much "tamer" threats they faced as adults in the later films.

Not to mention, according to the timeline established in X1, the whole mutant "conflict" was just starting to rise to the surface. If the young X-men faced off against much larger threats in the First Class period, surely the public would have been much more aware ( and afraid ) of mutants by the time X1 came around........

honestly... i think Sinister could be done without him feeling like a bigger threat. To be honest in the cartoon and comics he was always either apoc's henchman, or was mostly just self contained to the mutant world, with his obsession over gambit, jean, and the summers family.

all of the following villains could EASILY be done and be entertaining without making them feel more epic then the other films... (Shadow King, Magneto and the Brotherhood, Emma Frost/Hellfire Club, Sinister, Krakoa, and Proteus) arguably, though even trickier, i could see the x-mansion getting attacked by prototype sentinels. This wouldn't have to be public, and the X-men shutting the factory down could explain 1) why there never seen or mentioned in the other films and 2) why the danger room had a program for one in X3
 

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