Sequels X-Men: First Class

[Iceman]

What if they do a ripoff of Star Trek and have a character (e.g. Bishop) travel into the past from post-X3 (change it so that his power is to time travel into the past) and have him warn the young X-Men about the future (with the cure, mutants who refuse to take it are now more persecuted than ever), resulting in them changing the timeline? It'd effectively reboot the franchise without actually 'rebooting' it.

How about Bishop goes back in time & deletes X3 so we can get back on track? Nice one!

 

[Deaths Head II]

I think the best way for a possible retcon is to do what someone suggested when they revealed the original plan for Singer's X3: incorporate elements from that X3 into an X4. The story starts with strange occurrences happening all over the planet like freighters disappearing and ending up on land. It turns out Jean is not dead but instead she evolved into basically a god-like being. Someone on the forums also suggested they should have the Professor and Cyclops be with the team, alive and well, until everyone realizes "wait, this isn't right." The X-Men realize Jean had been tampering with reality, trying to make everything right, especially all the things Dark Phoenix did. The ending could be the same as Singer intended and Jean ends up becoming too powerful to stay on Earth so she flies off into space to create life.

 

[Spider-Vader]

That'd be good. Singer definitely needs to fix the mess Ratner created.

 

[mr. peasant]

But then everyone would be saying...hey, didn't they just do this with Star Trek?

The trick would be making the plot (i.e. what they're trying to stop) different.

That'd be good. Singer definitely needs to fix the mess Ratner created.

I disagree. X3 itself was a mess. However, its outcome (i.e. Cyclops and Xavier 'dead', the cure available for mutants, etc) is fine and entirely workable for subsequent sequels. Have Xavier's role as principal replaced by Storm (hinted at the end of X3) while his role as telepath/mutant finder be compensated by bringing Emma Frost on board. This could also lead to some antagonism between Storm and Frost as they vie for leadership.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Xavier isn't dead though and the cure has been implied to be temporary. X4 ignoring those elements wouldn't make sense and would anger fans even more then the elements in X3 already did since they have backdoors and aren't willing to use them. No matter what a dead Xavier and cured mutants won't still be in place in an X4, regardless of if X3 is retconned or not.

And Cyclops shouldn't stay dead. The decision to kill him was just stupid.

 

[Cyma]

I think the best way for a possible retcon is to do what someone suggested when they revealed the original plan for Singer's X3: incorporate elements from that X3 into an X4. The story starts with strange occurrences happening all over the planet like freighters disappearing and ending up on land. It turns out Jean is not dead but instead she evolved into basically a god-like being. Someone on the forums also suggested they should have the Professor and Cyclops be with the team, alive and well, until everyone realizes "wait, this isn't right." The X-Men realize Jean had been tampering with reality, trying to make everything right, especially all the things Dark Phoenix did. The ending could be the same as Singer intended and Jean ends up becoming too powerful to stay on Earth so she flies off into space to create life.

That'd be awesome. Just like Scarlet Witch altering reality in comics. The happy X3 ending we got just wasn’t right. Dark Phoenix eradicated people in a blink of an eye. People should be more afraid of mutants now more than ever.

It’d also be consistent with what Singer did in the previous films:

X1: Magneto builds a machine to turn humans into mutants.
X2: Stryker builds Dark Cerbero to destroy all mutants. Mags turn the tables.
X4: DP changes reality, perhaps one where humans and mutants co-exist, but Prof. wants it back to normal. Mags wants a reality to be full of mutants.

Changing reality might also mean forming the X-men again. Professor X and Magneto working together to do that before going their separate ways would be very much like what they’ve planned for First Class. Lol. So we’ll get both a weird sort of prequel and a sequel

But yeah, everything won’t be that simple to do after so many years. But can’t stop wishing since it’s really frustrating to see X-men going backwards while other comic book movies are moving forward

 

[Retroman]

Great to see Singer back with the X-Men franchise but X4 and not First Class is the project i had wished he'd helm.Even though bringing back the cast would be expensive and writing a sequel would present a few headaches plotwise, i still see possibilities to introduce new characters and explore more stories from the comics.

I wonder how much Singer and co. will acknowledge the kids appearances in X-Men Origins Wolverine and X-Men 3?

I've heard Singer reference Star Trek a few times in regards to First Class - if he's using that as a reference, I'm totally fine with that.

He is a trekkie so it kind of makes sense.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I personally hope he disregards the events in "Wolverine" when it came to his first students. We don't need 20 random students.

 

[mr. peasant]

Xavier isn't dead though and the cure has been implied to be temporary. X4 ignoring those elements wouldn't make sense and would anger fans even more then the elements in X3 already did since they have backdoors and aren't willing to use them. No matter what a dead Xavier and cured mutants won't still be in place in an X4, regardless of if X3 is retconned or not.

And Cyclops shouldn't stay dead. The decision to kill him was just stupid.

Although Xavier may be alive (I think this was after the credits, so canonity is debatable), the X-Men doesn't necessarily have to know about it or he may be incapable of leading them. As for the cure not being permanent, this doesn't mean their powers can't be permanently removed through a regular maintenance dose. Moreover, the public doesn't necessarily have to realize (yet?) that the cure is only temporary. And as it can be 'cured', the argument that mutants are a disease is thus strengthened and so anti-mutant sentiment can therefore increase as well.

 

[Deaths Head II]

If Magneto is already regaining his powers, the first thing he'll do is let the public know that they can't be cured. He'll be on the warpath.

 

[X-Maniac]

I personally hope he disregards the events in "Wolverine" when it came to his first students. We don't need 20 random students.

Random? We saw Banshee, Emma Frost, Psylocke, Quicksilver, Toad etc - are they 'random'?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Random? We saw Banshee, Emma Frost, Psylocke, Quicksilver, Toad etc - are they 'random'?

only emma was confirmed... Banshee and Quicksilver were pretty much given as well as the M twins.... however.. Psylocke and Toad were not shown just fan speculation (Which means nothing considering about half the mutants in the x-men films (students and random ones alike) havent been real comic characters... Toad in the movie verse has green skin, not greyish. nor did he have eyes like that... We have no idea who that character was in all honesty, and i have no idea who you're referring to as psylocke from XO:W.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If Magneto is already regaining his powers, the first thing he'll do is let the public know that they can't be cured. He'll be on the warpath.

that'd actually depend..... i think magneto is far more intelligent than that... he'd probably let everyone think he's depowered before attacking.

 

[mr. peasant]

that'd actually depend..... i think magneto is far more intelligent than that... he'd probably let everyone think he's depowered before attacking.

Or the government (or other faction), upon realizing that the cure isn't permanent, would bag Magneto and place him in a secret prison before he can fully regain his powers. Also, having a high level mutant like Magneto regain a fraction of his powers is different from him regaining all of it or for lesser mutants to regain any of their powers. It's an assumption at best.

 

[Deaths Head II]

only emma was confirmed... Banshee and Quicksilver were pretty much given as well as the M twins.... however.. Psylocke and Toad were not shown just fan speculation (Which means nothing considering about half the mutants in the x-men films (students and random ones alike) havent been real comic characters... Toad in the movie verse has green skin, not greyish. nor did he have eyes like that... We have no idea who that character was in all honesty, and i have no idea who you're referring to as psylocke from XO:W.

I think the character everyone assumes is Toad is actually Skin. His fingers even have a weird shape to them. And I assume Psylocke is being confused for one of the M Twins.

It is an rather random line up. You got some Generation X members, a Brotherhood member, a Marauder, some unknowns, and like three actual X-Men.

I don't think its just fan speculation here either. I think a lot of the locked up mutants in Wolverine were actually supposed to be real comic characters. Singer used new mutants instead of comic cameos in his films a lot, but on the Wolverine film it felt like they had a prerogative to make every possible mutant be a character from the books to make the fans want to see this film. Most of the named mutants like Emma and Cyclops can be replaced by completely original characters and it would make little difference.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think the character everyone assumes is Toad is actually Skin. His fingers even have a weird shape to them. And I assume Psylocke is being confused for one of the M Twins.

It is an rather random line up. You got some Generation X members, a Brotherhood member, a Marauder, some unknowns, and like three actual X-Men.

I don't think its just fan speculation here either. I think a lot of the locked up mutants in Wolverine were actually supposed to be real comic characters. Singer used new mutants instead of comic cameos in his films a lot, but on the Wolverine film it felt like they had a prerogative to make every possible mutant be a character from the books to make the fans want to see this film. Most of the named mutants like Emma and Cyclops can be replaced by completely original characters and it would make little difference.

it could indeed be... the gen Xers could easily be part of Emma's story... The hellions arn't that interesting imo, just the fact that the new x-men fought them... and some of those 2 teams sorta formed part of Gen X. In all honesty i wouldn't mind a mashup of those 3 teams being emma's team for a spin off/story.

 

[spidey207]

As far as the likely X-Men First Class lineup is concerned, I think its safe to assume we'll be getting;

Cyclops
Jean Grey
Storm
Beast(because of his history as an X-man hinted at in X3)
Emma(shown in Wolverine w/ Cyclops as a fellow escapee, boards Xavier's helicopter, and would make a great love triangle w/ scott and jean, somewhat an homage to their triangle in the comics.


who do you all think would be a possible 6th member (or 7th tho not likely to be that big of a team)? Psylocke? Havok? Banshee? Someone else?

I think its likely a male char, giving the group dynamic an even 3-3 male/female split. If they incorporate Magneto like they say they will, I'm sure Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch will be involved so to have Havok would make sense. It would add more to the family facet of the plot and show how these early years were very personal. So when Magneto splits from Xavier and takes his kids with him (forming the beginning to his brotherhood), the Summers bros can stay behind with Xavier and fight with him. Obviously because Havok, Beast, and Emma are not in X1, their departures need to be explained and can all be done so fairly easily. One of which may be because of death. Incorporating Havok would also make Cyclops kind of the epicenter of much of the drama, both romantically and in relation to his brother and also his mentor. This would appease the many fans who felt, rightfully so, that his char was shortchanged in the trilogy. Thoughts?

 

[marvelrobbins]

We know these will be In Lineup

Cyclops
jean grey
Storm
Beast

It Is likely we can expect

Emma Frost

It Is likely we will get 1 or 2 more:1 will be Banshee my Money Is on.If it Is 2
there are other possibilties.I would bet on Havok.

as for Quicksilver and the Scarlett Witch.I have heard Fox doesn't own the
rights to the Scarlett Witch.She IS considered a Avengers character.While
Quicksilver although he has been avenger too often appears In the X-Books
and was a member of X-Factor.

I think we will get a Cyclops Jean Emma Triangle.Although die hard Emma
Frost fans will be disappointed since we know Cyclops will choose Jean.

I could see Mystique as a teacher at the school so they can set up the
magneto Mystique relationship and when Magneto leaves she goes with him.
I can also see them playing homage to the fact Emma was a villian for a lot of
years In the comcis by after Cyclops chooses jean she leaves the school to
aid magneto when he sets off on his own.

Fox Is most likely hoping to turn First Class into trilogy so I would expect
Magneto to totally leave the school at the end.And they can deal with the
X-Men's first confrontation with an earlier first incation of the Brotherhood
In a sequel.And If sentinles are not In this then I bet they would also be
Included In a possable sequel if a trilogy Is made.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Well if we are continuing on from xavier rescuing the mutants from 3 mile island then you would consister that Emma Frost would attend Xaviers school under one reasoning...

1. In recent comics Emma Frost and Scott Summers got together after Jean Grey's Death. So in theory in First Class... they may bring in Emma Frost as Compertition to Jean Grey over the affection of Scott Summers. Obviously Jean will win but Emma would go in her own direction... Possibly hellfire.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Actually... The Magneto Movie franchise was owned by Fox. In that originally scrapped script the characters of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were in it. With said movie scrapped and First Class taking place largely in the same time period then the use of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are considabrlly left open.

And just want to mention no X-Men characters will appear in any Avenger movie, as Fox claimed rights to all of them that was birthed into the x-men world so scarlet witch and quicksilver will never appear in an avenger movie unless fox loses the rights to X-Men franchise.

 

[X-Maniac]

only emma was confirmed... Banshee and Quicksilver were pretty much given as well as the M twins.... however.. Psylocke and Toad were not shown just fan speculation (Which means nothing considering about half the mutants in the x-men films (students and random ones alike) havent been real comic characters... Toad in the movie verse has green skin, not greyish. nor did he have eyes like that... We have no idea who that character was in all honesty, and i have no idea who you're referring to as psylocke from XO:W.

When the mutant captives run down the corridor that is chosen by Cyclops, they are shown from behind and one of the girls has a purple streak in her hair. That, to me, indicated Psylocke.

The one with the tongue could be Toad, or someone else.

So who was the woman in the icy cage, with white eyes? Someone suggested Snowbird, who does have strange eyes but doesn't create ice and frost.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think the character everyone assumes is Toad is actually Skin. His fingers even have a weird shape to them. And I assume Psylocke is being confused for one of the M Twins.

See my post above for the Psylocke reasoning.

It is an rather random line up. You got some Generation X members, a Brotherhood member, a Marauder, some unknowns, and like three actual X-Men.

I'm still not seeing it as random. Wolverine was set in the early days, these were just kids, not full grown mutants with team affiliations. It's a fair assumption that there will be some who choose to stay with Xavier and end up as X-Men and some who side with Magneto and become the first members of his Brotherhood. Others will go their own ways, eg Marauders.

I don't think its just fan speculation here either. I think a lot of the locked up mutants in Wolverine were actually supposed to be real comic characters. Singer used new mutants instead of comic cameos in his films a lot, but on the Wolverine film it felt like they had a prerogative to make every possible mutant be a character from the books to make the fans want to see this film. Most of the named mutants like Emma and Cyclops can be replaced by completely original characters and it would make little difference.

I think I'd prefer characters from the comics to completely made-up characters. What's the point in making them up? I do look forward to Batman fighting the WindscreenWiper in the next movie or Spider-Man facing off against the Cosmetic Surgeon. Pffft.

 

[Mad Ones]

I don't think those cameos are going to have much impact on this movie. They were just meaningless cameos meant to have fun with the fans. I doubt Bryan will consider which mutants were freed in choosing the characters he'll use in his movies. He'll pick the ones he feels fit his story the best, and try to fit into Wolverine continuity, and that's the best we can hope for.

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think those cameos are going to have much impact on this movie. They were just meaningless cameos meant to have fun with the fans. I doubt Bryan will consider which mutants were freed in choosing the characters he'll use in his movies. He'll pick the ones he feels fit his story the best, and try to fit into Wolverine continuity, and that's the best we can hope for.

Exactly. He will be aware, or be made aware, of the Wolverine cameos but his film need not include them.

People are expecting to see Cyclops, Jean, Beast and Storm, and only one of those was in Wolverine (Cyke) while X3 showed how Jean got to the school.

So, it is indeed up to Bryan. He will find those that serve the story, hopefully blending the expected with the unexpected.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I think we should also have to consider interaction. Lets remember that they'll all be teenagers during a specific era of time, possilbe late 80's or early 90's. Thus they should interact with one another like teeangers in that particular time period should act, while also mixing it with there reaction to each of there powers and appearance (mostly Beast). Hopefully Singer will do that, while also showing how they mature during this time as indivduals and as a team.