Justice League Zack Snyder’s Original Justice League Sequels Plans Discussion Thread

Do You Like Snyder’s original plans for Justice League Part 2 & 3?

  • Yes. They Sounded Cool.

    Votes: 10 22.2%
  • No. They sound absolutely awful.

    Votes: 35 77.8%

  • Total voters
    45
But why would he have been? The rationale for that is murky at best. “We’re teaching you martial arts because your father would have wanted to risk your life on a nightly basis?”

Again hard to say. What is Superman and Lois' involvement in the Justice League post darkseid? Are they out in front or retired? Is Superman devoting his full time to the JL? I'm not quite sure. I don't know what kind of environment the kid is raised in.

@chintai80 - I agree. I have no problems with the idea behind the massive team up. It reinforces the idea of the people joining together with Superman. It also bookends the age of heroes. You see the humans, Themyscirans, GL's, Atlanteans banding together again to defeat Darkseid.
 
I'm fine with arguing plot points but the minute you turn it personal and insult the actual person, whether or not they are on this forum, I would generally draw the line.

I (naively) would like to think we all understand that here. Yes I 100% agree. Attack the story, not the people.
 
The "World As Justice League" is a great idea. Whether it would have worked in practice I don't know but the idea definitely works.
 
There’s some good stuff in there, and some terrible stuff... as well as some stuff that sounds very familiar...

Probably for the best it didn’t happen.

Could we add a poll answer that’s in the middle? Dont think either current answer is correct.
 
This reminds of me of how I felt when Snyder was hired for MOS with Nolan "Godfathering" because that latter bit seemed like an absolute necessity, to have someone reigning Snyder in.

I'll give Snyder the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe that this was just one of many hastily put together storyboards. As in when you look at the end of MOS, in no way did that suggest that BvS would be the direct sequel so plans change.

Like why would you add that element between Bruce and Lois, the only reason I can think of is that Snyder wanted to utilise Affleck and Adams but just chose the absolute worst way to do it.

I'm honestly rattled after seeing this.
 
i do like the part about how the whole world becomes the justice league. cheesy? probably.

but thats the point of dc superheroes and what snyder is trying to get at.

the world becomes united because these gods amongst us inspires us to be our better selves and to save ourselves.

its not just the people of earth relying on superheroes to save the world.

its everyone cooperating together to do it.

and thats not something i've seen really portrayed in these big superhero movies yet.

usually, its pretty elitist - humans are defenseless and depend on these special beings to save us.

Same. Apart from the Lois/Bruce thing(the common criticism), which has been removed in later drafts, I really dig it, and seeing a lot of similar sentiment on socials as well. Its so epic and exactly the kind of big crazy JL story I want to see. Tough luck for those who dont like it, I'm glad I love it! Makes me so much more excited for ZSJL and its knightmare scene(which I think is gonna be the best thing in the movie). Would definitely be interested to see the newer draft of the story play out in any medium.
 
I love the bit of Riddler solving the anti-life equation and going nuts for it. It's VERY in character, despite the hate this is getting.
I guess it's all in the execution but when I read that bit I was just like really? The ****ing Riddler figures out something a New God couldn't? Brutal.
 
I guess it's all in the execution but when I read that bit I was just like really? The ****ing Riddler figures out something a New God couldn't? Brutal.

Depends on how they characterize New Gods. Could be physical manifestation of beings that exist outside of Multiverse (as Morrison re-imagined it in Multiversity) or could just be aliens with superpowers.
 
Snyder loves to kill off some DC mainstay characters. He did it in MOS with Zod & in BvS with Jimmy. lmao

This storyboard is obviously a first draft, and in no way fit for purpose of screenplay development. IIRC, there're other storyboards with the inputs from other writers. Must have went through a couple of writing stages including the original Terrio/Snyder draft that was never filmed & the G Johns additions.

This storyboard has a lot of interesting ideas if only to make an interesting & entertaining film. I have said before but must emphasis it again, do not attack the writer/creator. Just make constructive criticism of the story.
 
"I heard the Kryptonian's will was unbreakable."- Hal Jordan, who clearly thinks he wandered into a different film series with Superman than the one we've been getting. This isn't the Golden Age guy Hal.

We have a Batman successor born from Lois's womb (her most important function), so now we see the real reason why Dick Grayson has to be dead in this stupid film series.

This is really minor, but I like using Doctor Poison in the Injustice League. There's always talk of Cheetah like she's WW's only villain. :whatever:

I didn't get the sense in Wonder Woman that Maru had a fixture on Diana she was just obsessed with her experiments so that would've been nice to see.

Everything else, yeah, it's been said... meh.

For a split second I was bummed Cheetah wouldn't be in the Legion of Doom for the grand finale with the other arch villains, but then I remembered what I was reading and she's probably dodging further bullets lol.

Under ideal circumstances, it would be nice to see other WW villains get more high profile appearances. So Poison getting a spotlight is neat in theory, but this sounds like a mess so it wouldn't be worth it.
 
The recent Lois/Bruce romance revelations make me see these Alfred comments from BvS in a totally new light.

EvwKJAAUYAMhyyT


Holy foreshadowing, Batman!
 
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God it sounds dreadful. Not sure what's worse. Lois and Bruce having a child, or evil Superman. Probably Lois and Bruce having a kid is worse.

Not that I didn't want to see an Injustice evil Superman, rather a parallel Earth evil Superman instead. Good Superman fighting the evil Superman sounds better. The biggest problem is, after we see Superman killing people with his heat vision (because he's under the control of Darkseid), even though it's not Superman intentionally trying to kill people, how would Superman recover from that trauma, moreover how would people trust him again? They would just fear him all over again. Even if Superman...gets back to his original self again...people would have to be extremely afraid of him turning loose again at some point.

And Snyder still seems to think he shouldn't be open to criticism. His recent comments on his opposition to Warner Bros wanting him to make it "funnier". It doesn't mean it has to be like Marvel, just use more humor. The more realistic doesn't necessarily mean a better movie.

That one, very brief moment in BvS that showed Martha saying "I figured...the cape" was hysterical, and the only time I remember smiling during the movie. Christopher Nolan had humor in his movies, more than Snyder, so I think Snyder still doesn't understand what he's doing when he's trying to be like Christopher Nolan.

The other stuff sounds interesting for the most part.
 
This really threw out potential sequels/trilogies for all of the characters individually. Wonder Woman could never do a modern sequel with how these movies played out and Diana procuring world peace.

The "World As Justice League" is a great idea. Whether it would have worked in practice I don't know but the idea definitely works.

It was corny when Arrow did it and when Supergirl did it. I dont think it wouldve been any better here lol. Thats why Justice League Unlimited worked so well.
 
So you don't have a problem with humans joining in the fight with Uxas, but you do with Darkseid?

Just saw TheFilmJunkee's livestream with Ray Porter and Zack came in for a bit. He elaborated briefly on the panels. He stated that it was constantly evolving and those boards are earlier concepts, but broadly it was what he had planned. He wanted to put that in mainly to serve as more of a look into the process. So there are things that have been changed since then. He also put in that the writing on the boards is Geoff Johns so he had a hand in that story as well. But yea, in the likely event that sequels are not greenlit, that's the closest you'll probably get.
 
Snyder just dropped that the handwriting on those whiteboards is actually Geoff's. :funny:
 
God it sounds dreadful. Not sure what's worse. Lois and Bruce having a child, or evil Superman. Probably Lois and Bruce having a kid is worse.

Not that I didn't want to see an Injustice evil Superman, rather a parallel Earth evil Superman instead. Good Superman fighting the evil Superman sounds better. The biggest problem is, after we see Superman killing people with his heat vision (because he's under the control of Darkseid), even though it's not Superman intentionally trying to kill people, how would Superman recover from that trauma, moreover how would people trust him again? They would just fear him all over again. Even if Superman...gets back to his original self again...people would have to be extremely afraid of him turning loose again at some point.

And Snyder still seems to think he shouldn't be open to criticism. His recent comments on his opposition to Warner Bros wanting him to make it "funnier". It doesn't mean it has to be like Marvel, just use more humor. The more realistic doesn't necessarily mean a better movie.

That one, very brief moment in BvS that showed Martha saying "I figured...the cape" was hysterical, and the only time I remember smiling during the movie. Christopher Nolan had humor in his movies, more than Snyder, so I think Snyder still doesn't understand what he's doing when he's trying to be like Christopher Nolan.

The other stuff sounds interesting for the most part.

The thing that may piss you off more is that he doesn’t recover... flash basically went back in time and changed the course so this didn’t happen. So Superman in the altered timeline never did those things. It would be an interesting concept to explore though. I think you’re right in that would haunt him severely even though he was mind controlled.

Ultimately, Snyder is a creative and creatives have strong preferences in how their creations are shown. I always hear of actors and directors trying not to pay too much attention to what their critics are saying because that can lead them down a rabbit hole of sorts. I also don’t think Snyder doesn’t accept criticism either. Snyder was also being very gracious to try to add in the things wb wanted him to. He added more humor in. He also was open to having joss come in and write stuff for his movie. You say that it didn’t have to be marvel, but maybe that’s exactly what the studio wanted, and in a worse version of that (see theatrical cut).
 
Out of respect for those that love Snyder here, I don't want to continue to rain on peoples parades. But one last thing I'll say is Snyder has continued to make clear that he really doesn't give a **** about Superman as a character, and those story ideas just make it more evident.

We would have basically gotten 5-6 films where Snyder refused to let Superman be Superman. By the end of Snyder's saga, Batman would have formed the Justice League, have a great partnership with Wonder Woman, be a mentoring figure to Barry, and impregnate Lois.

The fact that Snyder even considered doing this shows that he's not a real fan of Superman's character. When a studio has to try and convince a Director to make a character more like their comic counterpart, then you know that the person is the wrong choice for the job.
 
He stated that it was constantly evolving and those boards are earlier concepts, but broadly it was what he had planned.

Bullet dodged. And hopefully it will remain that way. Cavill deserved so much better, if we ever get him back for more I’d hate him to be wasted on this.
 
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I just find it funny that Superman has over 80 years worth of stories that you could base his character arc on, and out of all of it, Snyder went with a video game that is basically DC’s version of Mortal Kombat. Despite the common problem of “video game movies always suck.” And after reading this, I’m pretty sure this one would have too. And yeah, I know that they turned Injustice into a comic book too but still. There was so much potential for Superman on the big screen again and Zack decides to go with “losing Lois Lane turns him into a mass murdering tyrant.”
 
So you don't have a problem with humans joining in the fight with Uxas, but you do with Darkseid?

Just saw TheFilmJunkee's livestream with Ray Porter and Zack came in for a bit. He elaborated briefly on the panels. He stated that it was constantly evolving and those boards are earlier concepts, but broadly it was what he had planned. He wanted to put that in mainly to serve as more of a look into the process. So there are things that have been changed since then.

Yep, that's what I thought. Early concepts, take out the Lois/Bruce, "Clark Kent dead" etc thing like they did, and add in the newer concepts like Joker, Deathstroke, Manhunter, Bruce's arc to be changed to be about the loss and acceptance of a Robin etc, sounds much better. Like Zack said, these were constantly evolving plans, and these storyboards dont match up with ZSJL that we will see, and also while the ovearching plan might be same(LOD, Darkseid invasion, knightmare), the how and why has changed. Would love to see the new ideas in a graphic novel illustrated by Jim Lee one day. Wouldnt be opposed to Jason Fabok doing it either lol
 
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Reading it, my immediate thought was that if any of this was still a possibility for a potential sequel, the frequent claim that he could make the follow-ups on a lower budget comparable to the SC's 70 million is completely unfeasible.
 
Wow, we didnt just dodge 1 bullet there, its like we dodged a whole belt of Gatling gun bullets there.
Even for snyder this sound super bad on so many corners.

Throwing 90% of it out and it has potential, but thats not worth the work and all.
Let the snyderverse die with JL.
 
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