The Dark Knight Rises Zack Snyder wants to make a "The Dark Knight Returns" Movie!

[margon]

I see what you are saying. Maybe it would be better to set it in OUR future. But if the audience is so stupid to not realize that it's a one shot then they don't deserve to go to the cinema. Think of all the press coverage and advertisements a Batman movie would have. You gotta be literally brain-dead to not realize what is going on.

First off, it's pretty clear that people don't use their heads much when they go to the movies, and I don't think anyone should fault them for that. especially not for action movies. and I'm not saying everything should be lowbrow to descend to a common denominator but you also shouldn't expect normal people to open themselves up to concepts that we as readers grasp easily and hold dear. we grasp it easily because we've spent hours wrangling with messes of comic book continuity and timeliness, this stuff is second nature to us

Second, there were proper "film reviewers" from newspapers who thought BB was a sequel. The name says BEGINS and people thought it was a friggin sequel. Advertising is good for nothing more than "This is a movie about X and the main actor is Y. Here is something funny. He is an action scene. Coming soon." No film should EVER rely on advertising to set the groundwork for it. It's either marketable or it's not. Let alone an hero film.


Third, just IMAGINE the promo you'd have trying to sell this bastard of a movie:
"Did you enjoy Batman 3? Great! Well the new Batman is totally different! We've started all over again, but this time it all begins at the end! You see Batman's grown really old now but (oh and btw) because he was actually young around the 1960's (and not in the present day like we told you before, sorry about that, can we just forget that now?) so yeah now that he's all old and cranky it's obviously gonna be more like the 1980's or something. Do you remember the 1980's? Of course not! Our primary target market was barely even alive then! Do you remember the Cold War? No? Well that's a pity, cos this story is kinda set in the middle of that. Yeah we're done with the War On Terror, we're going for more of a retro vibe. Yeah except that he's old now. What? Why is he all old? I thought I already told you that. It's in HIS FUTURE. Yeah but in the 80's. What? Yeah of course we're in 2014 right now, big deal. It's a one-shot! Real Captain Obvious over here. So do you deserve to see this movie or what?"

 

[Ace of Knaves]

lolz you're funny.

So basically, after Nolan is done we shouldn't have any new Bat-films in different universe just because the average cinema goer might be too confused? Do me a favour! So from now onwards every single Bat film should remain in continuity with Nolans? No chance.

 

[Rasputin911]

I have a feeling its just a matter of when, not if.

 

[margon]

lolz you're funny.

So basically, after Nolan is done we shouldn't have any new Bat-films in different universe just because the average cinema goer might be too confused? Do me a favour! So from now onwards every single Bat film should remain in continuity with Nolans? No chance.

What? No. They just shouldn't make movies that play havoc with timelines and characters ages going in reverse directions. and really that isn't too much to ask. It basically means all other sensible options are still open.

Or as I was saying before just throw out the idea of a Cold War and 1980's setting and a DKR "adaption" altogether. Loosen the bounds and make an original movie that just copies alot of the good stuff from DKR, because once you say adaption you're basically saying you're keeping the same story and just isn't necerssarry here. There's are enough good bits in DKR to take as you please, leave the rest, and instead makie it a war with Santa Prisca or any other country except for damned Russia.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Santa Prisca? Where the hell is that?

 

[WeaponXProject]

And by your logic, BB and TDK would not have been possible as you are de-aging Bruce (compared to the 4 films), and simultaneously moving forward in time by setting it in present day (as opposed to the 90s). Not to mention that the setting itself is remarkably different from what Burton and Schumacher had depicted. Did people's heads explode? Of course not. They understand this is a NEW take on the character and has nothing to do with prior incarnations.

That's what I am trying to say. Batman's been ageless in different time period's before. The extremely gothic look of Burton's and then the modern realistic version with Nolan's and people aren't imploding or crapping themselves. Batman has changed his face, his outfit, his villains have been changed back and forth. Joker was fat and old and then young and handsome. Two Face has been old and slaptastic and he has also been a young serious man with conviction for a lost loved one. People know these characters, they've seen them change, they've seen each character portrayed differently and a change of time period is gonna screw that up?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but to me Sherlock Holmes, Batman, and James Bond are characters that have changed many times in many portrayals from books to tv to movies and I haven't heard someone complain about those time periods change back and forth and characters disappear and reappear from time to time. And as a stand alone film I would think it would be less of a problem then running two different franchises like George Miller planned with the Justice League film.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Or as I was saying before just throw out the idea of a Cold War and 1980's setting and a DKR "adaption" altogether. Loosen the bounds and make an original movie that just copies alot of the good stuff from DKR, because once you say adaption you're basically saying you're keeping the same story and just isn't necerssarry here. There's are enough good bits in DKR to take as you please, leave the rest, and instead makie it a war with Santa Prisca or any other country except for damned Russia.

I wouldn't mind not embracing the Cold War aspect but the connotation of it throughout the book is important. However, writers in Hollywood may have some more creative minds and could probably handle the task.

 

[COMPO]

well the cold war is the basis for the end battle with superman and how Batman becomes "too big" although they could do it with iraq or something like the government is making missiles to combat terrorism believing Irq has underground missile silos (so real to life lol)

 

[WSNProductions]

They might do this after the Nolan Batman's are finished, but I don't think so. This would cause confusion for so many people.

 

[The Guard]

There's no reason an adaption of THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS would have to feature the Cold War. Similar themes could exist without the specific setting and backdrop of the cold war.

 

[CashforStash]

This is awesome news but i'd much prefer an adaption of the Killing Joke.

 

[StorminNorman]

The Man Who Laughs > The Killing Joke

Plus TDK was a thematic adaptation to The Killing Joke anyway.

 

[The Guard]

Santa Prisca? Where the hell is that?

It's the fictional island nation that Bane comes from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Prisca_(DC_Comics)

 

[Pennyworth]

Now's not the right time, but a few years down the line....hell yes.

Agreed, I'm game. In time though.

 

[Rasputin911]

The Man Who Laughs > The Killing Joke

Plus TDK was a thematic adaptation to The Killing Joke anyway.

You don't seem to have good taste in Batman comics Stormin....

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Wasn't there a cartoon of TDKR during TAS run?



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One of the best episodes ever.

 

[margon]

That's what I am trying to say. Batman's been ageless in different time period's before. The extremely gothic look of Burton's and then the modern realistic version with Nolan's and people aren't imploding or crapping themselves. Batman has changed his face, his outfit, his villains have been changed back and forth. Joker was fat and old and then young and handsome. Two Face has been old and slaptastic and he has also been a young serious man with conviction for a lost loved one. People know these characters, they've seen them change, they've seen each character portrayed differently and a change of time period is gonna screw that up?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but to me Sherlock Holmes, Batman, and James Bond are characters that have changed many times in many portrayals from books to tv to movies and I haven't heard someone complain about those time periods change back and forth and characters disappear and reappear from time to time. And as a stand alone film I would think it would be less of a problem then running two different franchises like George Miller planned with the Justice League film.

yes but Burton never fixed him to any specific time but rather kept it deliberately anachronistic. Likewise there was never obvious varaince in his age between any of the movies or directors. Here you're talking about a very specific context - cold war in the 80's - and very specific lifestage, both are at odds with what audiences already know, and whatsmore both are at odds with each other! One goes forwards, one goes back. It's literally back to the future and it's just not necersarry.

There's no reason an adaption of THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS would have to feature the Cold War. Similar themes could exist without the specific setting and backdrop of the cold war.

Absolutely right. But then, again, this opens the question of why are you making a "DKR adaption" in the first place? Why not just make an original movie with the best bits from DKR? which in itself is definitely a product of it's time

You need a conflict to replace Cold War/Corto Maltese....so pick a country, anyone will do. Let's use my favorite option and say Santa Prisca just for example. Now you've opened up a whole new territory that can make the movie very interesting. Do we wanna insert a villain from this country? Why are they fighting if it's not the Cold War, what's the politics here? How are normal people reacting to this enemy? Let's go there and see what they look like maybe, take the battle to their shores. Suddenly you might not want to make the "Batman fighting mutant gangs and Superman" movie anymore. It can go SO many places - maybe you just want to keep the Joker bits, Superman at the end, dystopic future, unruly kids....and do whatever you want with thest. While you're there you may as well just call it an original movie, why give your screen credits to Goddamn Frank Miller?

This is why as soon as you realise the Cold War is undoable, you're no longer looking at a DKR adaption. You're looking at something much better actually. The ultimate future Batman, in a movie.

 

[StorminNorman]

You don't seem to have good taste in Batman comics Stormin....

LOL you're adorable.

 

[margon]

You don't seem to have good taste in Batman comics Stormin....

I thought the same thing and I was about to flame him hard but then I thought it might be a good idea if I check the post history

 

[Rasputin911]

^he doesen't like TDKR and he thinks The Man Who Laughs is better than TKJ

oh well. To each their own. At least u like Watchmen Stormin

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

The Man Who Laughs > The Killing Joke

Plus TDK was a thematic adaptation to The Killing Joke anyway.

i totally agree with you on this...i love TMWL storyline...

 

[CConn]

I agree that TMWL is better than TKJ.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

we dont have good taste in batman comics

 

[WeaponXProject]

yes but Burton never fixed him to any specific time but rather kept it deliberately anachronistic. Likewise there was never obvious varaince in his age between any of the movies or directors. Here you're talking about a very specific context - cold war in the 80's - and very specific lifestage, both are at odds with what audiences already know, and whatsmore both are at odds with each other! One goes forwards, one goes back. It's literally back to the future and it's just not necersarry.

I agree that Burton's time was for the viewer to infer and I already said I could deal with the movie without the Cold war issues but I think the audience will be happy enough to see a Batman with a different story. No matter who is disagreeing with what here we don't have a say in what WB and Zach Snyder decide to do. I would rather have a strict adaption of the graphic novel.

 

[I.Bulk]

TDKR would be good as a movie. Definitely after Nolan's films are done though. Not sure I'd want Snyder leading the project, there are better filmmakers.

And TMWL is waaayyyyyy better than TKJt: